finaplix sustanon winstrol

[htownspecialk]

i am definately a hardgainer, i have trained off and on for about 6 yrs but was unable to focus my training in the direction i wanted consistently because i was in the marine infantry. I am 25 yrs old and puny right now, i began getting my diet into check about a month ago but my diet never really mattered as much as gym time with my metabolism. The last cycle i did was about 2 yrs ago and i stacked tren anadrol test e. I had significant strength and mass gains but i do not have the same results as the last stack in mind for this one to much water retension im not looking for the smooth look. I am currently 5'8 145 with very little body fat although i just lost my 6 pack for the first time in my life which as small as me is sad. I am about to begin a new cycle and my goals are significant lean mass gains but leaning more to as much mass as possible and still very cut. This is what im considering right now: stacking fina sus and winny i would appreciate your feedback and please no steroid lectures im going to do it reguardless so just feedback and suggestions on the stack and maybe dosages. thanks

 

[jumpmaster82]

haha I like how you put in your post that your Gona do this regardless of what ppl say. That's fucking funny. But any way about your question. First I gota say you should wait and train and eat right for afew months, I only say it cuz its the right thing but I understand your going to do it anyway. So now that we got that out of the way I think this would be a badass cycle.
weeks 1-14 sust 500mg a week(750 if you are feeling froggy)
weeks 1-8 tren 100mg EOD or 50 or 75mg ED its up to you if you wana do ED inj
weeks 7-14 winstrol 50mg ED
looking at that cycle makes me wana do one of the same. What do you got planned for pct bro?

 

[xrsist]

how many calories a day are you taking in mate?

sust 1-12 500mg p/w
tren 5-10 50mg ed
winny 5-10 50mg ed

be sure to have an AI and letro on hand also
have hcg and clomid for pct

 

[htownspecialk]

haha I like how you put in your post that your Gona do this regardless of what ppl say. That's fucking funny. But any way about your question. First I gota say you should wait and train and eat right for afew months, I only say it cuz its the right thing but I understand your going to do it anyway. So now that we got that out of the way I think this would be a badass cycle.
weeks 1-14 Sustanon 500mg a week(750 if you are feeling froggy)
weeks 1-8 trenbolone 100mg EOD or 50 or 75mg ED its up to you if you wana do ED inj
weeks 7-14 winstrol 50mg ED
looking at that cycle makes me wana do one of the same. What do you got planned for PCT - post cycle therapy - bro?

i have nolvadex on hand just in case and what i did pct last time was
clomid 200 a day week 1
clomid 100 a day week 2
what do you think about that

 

[htownspecialk]

how many calories a day are you taking in mate?

Sustanon 1-12 500mg p/w
trenbolone 5-10 50mg ed
Winstrol - stanozolol 5-10 50mg ed

be sure to have an aromatase inhibitor and Femera - letrozole - on hand also
have HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - and clomid for PCT - post cycle therapy -

i try to get 2300 to 3000 calories a day which for my metabolism and the supps im taking means i spend a lot of time in the bathroom if its jus going through you like that is there even a point.

 

[xrsist]

what supps are you taking?

no nolva when running nandrolones or trenbolones as it may increase the chance of sides

 

[jumpmaster82]

it looks good. If you start to see any symptoms of gyno start taking 40mg of nova ED til its gone, but continue to take the nova for 1 week at 20mgED just to be safe. Nova and clomid is great pct I think for virtually any cycle, and ive stated that on countless posts in regards to pct. 2 weeks after your last shot of sust take 100mg of clomid and 40mg nova for one week(there is almost no difference between 200mg and 100mg of clomid so theres no need to take that much). After week 1 lower it to 50mg clomid and 20mg nova ED for 2 weeks. Go off for 1 week then do it again for 1 week. If you run the cycle and pct like that you will be very happy with the results bro

 

[htownspecialk]

what supps are you taking?

no Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - when running nandrolones or trenbolones as it may increase the chance of sides

right now for my pre cyclebuild up im takin t-bomb 2 sarmx no2 creatine and protein ive been doing this, working out and dieting for about a month and have gained 10 lbs i had a son 6 months ago and lost about 15 lbs cause i jus had no time, i am very strong for my size and naturally defined but i have to workout to maintain weight im the opposite of most

 

[jumpmaster82]

whoa bro that's no where near enough calories. Eating enough is especially important when taking gear bro. You need to double your calories to maximize gains, if you dont your wasting time money and effort.

 

[htownspecialk]

whoa bro that's no where near enough calories. Eating enough is especially important when taking gear bro. You need to double your calories to maximize gains, if you dont your wasting time money and effort.

what do you go by for calories per pound of body weight per day i heard 20 per lb, also during a cycle my apetite increases dramatically, i appreciate your feedback when i was younger i would jus take the shit eat whatever and workout, this time i wanna do it right thats whay im on here

 

[xrsist]

what do you go by for calories per pound of body weight per day i heard 20 per lb, also during a cycle my apetite increases dramatically, i appreciate your feedback when i was younger i would jus take the shit eat whatever and workout, this time i wanna do it right thats whay im on here

use this to calculate how many calories your body requires

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/help-sort-out-your-diet-565562.html

great thread

 

[htownspecialk]

use this to calculate how many calories your body requires

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/steroids-discussion-forum/help-sort-out-your-diet-565562.html

great thread

thanks for the feedback good shit man

 

[jumpmaster82]

I wouldn't reccomend calculating cals by body weight. If your on cycle and trying to build muscle eat no less than 5000 cals ED. It sounds like alot and hard to do, but its really not. Its easy to get those cals you need when you break down your diet and map it out. When I was young I took aas and just ate whatever I felt like, I disregarded all the vets saying that diet is more important to building muscle than any other factor. But when I started eating alot more and eating the right things my gains went through the fucking roof. It really is more important than anything, even more important than what aas you use. And what's your protein intake look like? If your only consuming 2300 cals then I'm almost scared to see what your protein intake is. But tell me so I can help.

 

[xrsist]

I wouldn't reccomend calculating cals by body weight. If your on cycle and trying to build muscle eat no less than 5000 cals ED. It sounds like alot and hard to do, but its really not. Its easy to get those cals you need when you break down your diet and map it out. When I was young I took anabolic androgenic steroids and just ate whatever I felt like, I disregarded all the vets saying that diet is more important to building muscle than any other factor. But when I started eating alot more and eating the right things my gains went through the fucking roof. It really is more important than anything, even more important than what anabolic androgenic steroids you use. And what's your protein intake look like? If your only consuming 2300 cals then I'm almost scared to see what your protein intake is. But tell me so I can help.

if your body only requires 4000 cals to bulk and you take in 5000 cals it doesnt mean you will grow more it generally means you will put on more fat

 

[htownspecialk]

I wouldn't reccomend calculating cals by body weight. If your on cycle and trying to build muscle eat no less than 5000 cals ED. It sounds like alot and hard to do, but its really not. Its easy to get those cals you need when you break down your diet and map it out. When I was young I took anabolic androgenic steroids and just ate whatever I felt like, I disregarded all the vets saying that diet is more important to building muscle than any other factor. But when I started eating alot more and eating the right things my gains went through the fucking roof. It really is more important than anything, even more important than what anabolic androgenic steroids you use. And what's your protein intake look like? If your only consuming 2300 cals then I'm almost scared to see what your protein intake is. But tell me so I can help.

the problem is my cal intake was a guesstamation if you will the only thing i have payed attention to is my protein intake and that is at least 150 grams a day 1 shake 2 bars and then my food diet this may not seem like much but im only working with a buck 45 right now im tryin to get to 165 i used to kickbox competively at 155 and that was a good strong weight for me but now i want to get bigger and stronger. Your emphasis has really made me realize its time to get serious and apply myself to monitoring and increasin my intake. Like i said i want to do it right this time and for now on.

 

[htownspecialk]

if your body only requires 4000 cals to bulk and you take in 5000 cals it doesnt mean you will grow more it generally means you will put on more fat[/QUOTE
im lookin for lean strong mass, i mean obviously mass is my main objective im small as hell right now but i still wanna be shredded, ill use that calculation chart after work tonight and see what i come up with appreciate you

 

[jumpmaster82]

if you weigh 145 the MINIMUM protein you should be taking is double that. The general rule is 2x your body weight. But that's when your training hard even if not on aas. But when on your body will synthesize alot more protein. Some say still stick to 2x, but my trainer(who was a runner up for mr. O some years back) and many other serious BBers say 3 or 4x your body weight. I agree. take in NO less than 3x when on cycle 4x if you can. That's more important than even what aas you take

 

[ALIN]

i am definately a hardgainer, i have trained off and on for about 6 yrs but was unable to focus my training in the direction i wanted consistently because i was in the marine infantry. I am 25 yrs old and puny right now, i began getting my diet into check about a month ago but my diet never really mattered as much as gym time with my metabolism. The last cycle i did was about 2 yrs ago and i stacked trenbolone anadrol testosterone enanthate. I had significant strength and mass gains but i do not have the same results as the last stack in mind for this one to much water retension im not looking for the smooth look. I am currently 5'8 145 with very little body fat although i just lost my 6 pack for the first time in my life which as small as me is sad. I am about to begin a new cycle and my goals are significant lean mass gains but leaning more to as much mass as possible and still very cut. This is what im considering right now: stacking Finaplix - trenbolone acetate - sus and Winstrol - stanozolol i would appreciate your feedback and please no steroid lectures im going to do it reguardless so just feedback and suggestions on the stack and maybe dosages. thanks

Thats a great combination especially for cutting. do you have an idea doage plan laid out?

 

[xrsist]

if you weigh 145 the MINIMUM protein you should be taking is double that. The general rule is 2x your body weight. But that's when your training hard even if not on anabolic androgenic steroids. But when on your body will synthesize alot more protein. Some say still stick to 2x, but my trainer(who was a runner up for mr. O some years back) and many other serious BBers say 3 or 4x your body weight. I agree. take in NO less than 3x when on cycle 4x if you can. That's more important than even what anabolic androgenic steroids you take

so your saying if one were to weigh 220, he would have to consume 660- 880grams of protein a day on cycle? that is just a waste imo

 

[10001110101]

dude i think 5k cals for 145 pounds is excessive... dude you put down 3250 cals ed you will grow. not fast, and yeah its hard trust me i know. get 150-200g protein, more is better but if you can't get more protein than that dont' stress.

also you are dead set on doing a cycle i see, that's cool, do what you want, but i'd keep it simple and focus more on diet like eveyrone says.

how bout a compromise between what you want and what people are advising you to do.

do a straight test cycle 500/wk for 8-10 wks and really focus on diet... see how much of a difference it makes. it so does. honestly you realize gear isn't magic after you get some experience with them and you realize that they are very much diet dependent. at the end of the day its about the diet and training and everything you do in between your injections that determines the outcome of your cycle.

plus it'll help you keep the pounds on when your cycle is over, which is just as important otherwise you get caught in this yo-yo cycle and you never really change, in fact you end up falling short of your natural potential because you have to know how to gain/maintain in the "off season" as well.

also extend yoru p.c.t to 3-4 weeks and you can lower your clomid dosage, start at maybe 100mgs ed for a week and 50 for the remainder.

food is the most expensive part of any cycle imo.

 

[jumpmaster82]

3 or 4x of protein per lb is sufficient while on cycle bro. Its not a waste at all

 

[xrsist]

3 or 4x of protein per lb is sufficient while on cycle bro. Its not a waste at all

so your telling me you consume around 800 grams of protein a day while your on cycle?

could you post up your on cycle diet please? i would like to know how you get that much protein in each day?