finally taking the plunge

[pound for pound]

I've done a "cycle" of dbol only last year, despite what I've read, I kept 80% of gains, either way I've learned that oral only cycles aren't the way to go.

I've got everything I need to start a "real" cycle and, before I started, I wanted to throw it out there and see what people thought.

the cycle is planned as:

1-4 30 mg dbol ed
1-10 500 mg test E
8-12 40 mg winny as an oral

pct w/liquiclom and liquinol would get HCG but can't find it anywhere. did ag-guys ever come out w/it?

thinking of adding AIFM

I'm 30 yrs. old 5'9" and I weigh 225 around 20% bf

1) should I drop the winny? I figured it would help with the bloat at the end of the cyle.

2) do I NEED HCG? I won't start cycle w/out every thing I need. it seems to me that opinions vary here.

 

[sweed]

very good cycle.... however.. yes u know.. if your at 20% ... please take about 6-8 weeks and get down to a lower bf%.. you will be much more satisfied with your body being leaner than having more mass in the end...
very happy to see that u kept 80% of gains from dbol, but for this cycle i think test dbol will be all that u need right now.. dbol 1-4, and test 1-10(12) would be good enough and you will be very pleased with the results.
i have yet to experience hcg for a 2nd time, since i've only done 1 (real) cycle.. but it worked well with my pct.. some say use right before the end, some say during pct.... and those time during when its a long cycle..
but i do recogmend loosing those few fat lbs before starting as i mentioned why above. .. goodluck bor

 

[pound for pound]

well, that's a guesstimate, looked around and compared, seems more like 14-18% bf. I agree that it could/should be lower. taking sesapure and glucerell atm. I have clen but I'm not a big fan of stimulants, it's been sitting on the shelf. I also have some t3 that has been collecting shelf life as well... seems like for every good story, there's a bad one about that stuff or is it all bs? I mean if one used it only and not add all the other stimulants?

 

[MR. BMJ]

The cycle looks fine, but I would concentrate on getting your diet on track before taking the plunge. Youshould do well with that cycle pending that you are eating to lean up. Diet will make or break you. I would dedicate this cycle to fully lean-up as much as you can. Personally, I think the Winny will come in nicely at the end, so i'd probably leave it in there myself.

I would definately order some AIFM, as it is much more effective than Nolvadex. You can also use it for part of your PCT as well.

T3 is cool, but I only use it when I am like 8% bodyfat or less and need the extra push to clear the last bit of fat and bring my T3 levels back up from extended dieting. I doubt you will need it for awhile. I'd go with a good diet for awhile then add in a thermo when the fat loss starts to get harder to lose. I like a lot of the AF store products so i'd look there for help or ideas in the future.

BMJ

 

[immortalis]

Cycle looks good. Goodluck with it. Im sure you wont be dissappointed.

I personally dont like winny. It destroys my joints, and I dont have a problem staying dry really as is. And It has never really made me any harder than normal. But some guys like it.

I have never used HCG, so I wouldnt say you "need" it.

 

[pound for pound]

The cycle looks fine, but I would concentrate on getting your diet on track before taking the plunge. Youshould do well with that cycle pending that you are eating to lean up. Diet will make or break you. I would dedicate this cycle to fully lean-up as much as you can. Personally, I think the Winny will come in nicely at the end, so i'd probably leave it in there myself.

I would definately order some AIFM, as it is much more effective than Nolvadex. You can also use it for part of your PCT as well.

T3 is cool, but I only use it when I am like 8% bodyfat or less and need the extra push to clear the last bit of fat and bring my T3 levels back up from extended dieting. I doubt you will need it for awhile. I'd go with a good diet for awhile then add in a thermo when the fat loss starts to get harder to lose. I like a lot of the AF store products so i'd look there for help or ideas in the future.

BMJ

thanks for the info man, I was hoping to lean up with this cycle but was worried a bit because I've read a lot and it seems there is generally fat gain while on a bulking cycle. a buddy of mine did a test cyp/deca cycle and I've never seen him look so cut up. The diet will be the priority and next, the workout. Last time I did dbol, there was some fat gain and I ate less then I do off. I'll be mixing in plenty of cardio and I was hoping the winny would help me slim down at the end since dbol was a total cardio buster last time. If I use the AIFM does that replace the nolva (not using nolva)? and would I use it throughout the cycle?

 

[MR. BMJ]

Correct, the AIFM will replace the Nolva throughout the cycle and then can be continued thoughout and after PCT. Maybe start at 2 pumps per day (1 in the morning and 1 at night) and judge from there whether you need more or less. If you are not very susceptible to estrous sides, then 2 pumps per day should be fine. It will vary person to person.

BMJ

 

[pound for pound]

Correct, the AIFM will replace the Nolva throughout the cycle and then can be continued thoughout and after PCT. Maybe start at 2 pumps per day (1 in the morning and 1 at night) and judge from there whether you need more or less. If you are not very susceptible to estrous sides, then 2 pumps per day should be fine. It will vary person to person.

BMJ

I'll get some here before I take the first shot. Last question, with the long acting ester, any reason I don't do 500 mg in one rather then bi-weekly?

 

[BigCracker]

Another dude just winging it in the training dept-but has all bases covered in the Rx/supplement portion of his training regimen. I guess diet, cardio, or 2x a day workouts is not an option? If it was, you'd be under 15% bf already.

 

[pound for pound]

Another dude just winging it in the training dept-but has all bases covered in the Rx/supplement portion of his training regimen. I guess diet, cardio, or 2x a day workouts is not an option? If it was, you'd be under 15% bf already.

thanks for your help, much appreciated.

 

[Bruce]

the cycle looks good. but cracker is just being real man. do as much research on your diet as the gear. i'll tell you right now i wasted a lot of gear. over a grand of winny to be exact cause i wasn't eating right. anyway i also get horrible joint pain from winny, i find that anavar is much better for me or turinabol. however, i stay away from all orals with what they do to cholesterol and lipids. i much prefer proviron for staying hard and dry though it won't build muscle like winny. i hope you do get down to 13% or less. i personally don't think anyone should go on that is above 10%. because if you are not at 10% natty you haven't dialed in your diet and training and the results from steroids will not be much different than being natural you will just have to run pct and get bloodwork. all i am saying bro is that after a cycle you should be single digit bf and have more mass. if you end up 20% after a cycle or even around that then you didn't do it right. i mean you can say you kept most of the gains but they weren't lean mass gains if you are at that bf. this is not a flame i hope you hit it but just hit it right. you will be amazed at what diet will do. on a cycle of deca i gained nada, i mean nothing cause i ate 2500 cals a day. thought it was magic and it isn't. steroids allow you to train harder and longer so its just harder work not magic. when i ran eq this time and knew what i was doing eating 2lbs of steak and around 5000 cals total i put on 15lbs of shredded mass. just think about that and how much the diet made a difference

 

[MR. BMJ]

I'll get some here before I take the first shot. Last question, with the long acting ester, any reason I don't do 500 mg in one rather then bi-weekly?

Shoot 250mg every 3-4 days.

I'd probably diet for a good 4 weeks to get things in order, then after that, take the plunge if you want. You should be able to lose a decent (not a lot obviously) amount of fat and water within this time before starting. The first month or two will be the easiest to lose BF, as time goes on, and the leaner you get, the harder it will be to get leaner and keep lean body mass. If your diet is in line, then this is when AAS will be of most use.

BMJ

 

[HD1]

250mg twice a week keeps you test levels constant .

 

[BigCracker]

It took me almost 3 yrs to get disciplined with my diet to where I never fucked up. In the 6 months that followed I made more progress than I did in the prior 3 yrs combined. Then again, why should my opinion matter if you've got it all figured out already on your own??? You are Neo-the chosen one of the Anabolic Matrix. You will save the world with your self designed training and Rx and show the rest of us pencilnecks how we too can waste our time, cash, and effort most efficiently. Fuck off Morpheus-you know nothing.

 

[Selene]

Good luck mon cheri and hope that you obtain the results you are wishing for

 

[GymIntensity]

well, that's a guesstimate, looked around and compared, seems more like 14-18% bf. I agree that it could/should be lower. taking sesapure and glucerell atm. I have clen but I'm not a big fan of stimulants, it's been sitting on the shelf. I also have some t3 that has been collecting shelf life as well... seems like for every good story, there's a bad one about that stuff or is it all bs? I mean if one used it only and not add all the other stimulants?

Ive never personally used T3 bro, but I do know, if you dont research it properly and take proper dosing/cycling then it can mess your thyroid up for life so be careful . Like the other bros are saying, good "consistent" diet and cardio will slowly but steadily drop your BF.

As far as the cycle, because you are a higher BF guy (as myself) , I would completely throw the Dbol out and get a better kickstart, I would prob run Tbol for 4 weeks or maybe even get some test prop for the first 6 weeks or so. I've never ran dbol but ive seen my bro run it and he is a lean 6 to 8% all year long, and all it ever does for him is give him temporary strength increase and makes him gain a ton of water weight, make his ego feel good, and then destroy his ego when he loses the 10lbs of water.

gluck bro