Finally starting next week, what does everyone think???

[flyin j]

Ok this took 2 months longer than it should have but it is FINALLY here and I am PUMPED!!!! This is my 2nd cycle it has been 16 months since I touched anything so it feels like a first cycle except im not scared of the needle what so ever.

Im 6'3 255 average bf, I have been told several times that I have a very solid hard look, and I want to take that to the next level as well as gain some maintanable lbm.

QV BOLD 200 wks 1-12 400mgs
QV PROP 100 wks 5-12 100mgs eod
FINA (homebrew) wks 7-12 100mgs eod
Y ES all the way through the cycle with cardio 5 times a week.
Nolvadex ed or eod as needed once I start the prop.
Dostinex e4d once I start the Fina.
PCT will be standard protocal from JENETIC.

I was inspired by musclehealth and sweed with their logs and I will do the same with mine because it will help to keep me more focused on it, and I have a friend with a digital camera and i hope to post pics throughout but thats not a promise because we dont yet know how to put them where we want them on the net yet. So any input or comments at all would be great before I start, thanks guys.


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[Apexx]

I'd switch the prop for enanthate or cyp and run 250mg/wk all the way through.

Then throw the prop back in for weeks 13 and 14 while you're waiting to start pct

other than that, it looks good though. Good luck

 

[sweed]

is all u got is prop? well, good luck with it bro.. logs are fun

 

[flyin j]

Why switch the prop (other than it hurts like a bitch) I have heard it is the best test for a "cutting" cycle and doesnt bloat you like E or CYP does????

 

[Apexx]

Why switch the prop (other than it hurts like a bitch) I have heard it is the best test for a "cutting" cycle and doesnt bloat you like E or CYP does????

I just feel that u should run test all the way through the cycle, and 12 weeks of eod shot of prop is a bit too much IMO.

Test is test. I feel the main reason that people feel that prop doesn't bloat as much as cyp or en is because you really end up doing less mg's per week.
If you're doing 100mg eod of prop, your avg is 350/wk. Most people don't run less then 500mg/wk of test.....hence more water retention.

If you only run 250mg/wk throughout I HIGHLY doubt that you will have a problem with water retention.

 

[flyin j]

I just feel that u should run test all the way through the cycle, and 12 weeks of eod shot of prop is a bit too much IMO.

Test is test. I feel the main reason that people feel that prop doesn't bloat as much as cyp or en is because you really end up doing less mg's per week.
If you're doing 100mg eod of prop, your avg is 350/wk. Most people don't run less then 500mg/wk of test.....hence more water retention.

If you only run 250mg/wk throughout I HIGHLY doubt that you will have a problem with water retention.

Good point and very helpful input,and I see what your saying about the avg prop a week, and I have thought of it that way before but just followed what Ive read about people using prop in cutting cycles and decided to use it in mine.
What are your thoughts on maybe doing 500mgs test e a week along with my cardio 5 days a week, I dont want to put 30 pounds on my already 255 self, I want to maybe put on and maintain 10 solid pounds so is 500 too much even with some heavy cardio??? And I tried to leave K but it said something about spreading it around first???


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[Bruce]

you should run that eq at 400-600 bro, 200 aint gonna do a thing. good luck

 

[flyin j]

you should run that eq at 400-600 bro, 200 aint gonna do a thing. good luck

Yeah Im running 400mgs a week, you must be talking about where it says Bold 200, thats just the product name.

 

[Apexx]

Good point and very helpful input,and I see what your saying about the avg prop a week, and I have thought of it that way before but just followed what Ive read about people using prop in cutting cycles and decided to use it in mine.
What are your thoughts on maybe doing 500mgs test e a week along with my cardio 5 days a week, I dont want to put 30 pounds on my already 255 self, I want to maybe put on and maintain 10 solid pounds so is 500 too much even with some heavy cardio??? And I tried to leave K but it said something about spreading it around first???


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if you run the nolv or get some adex and run that all the way through, it will cut down on the water weight. However, I think 500mg/wk still might be a bit too much for what you're trying to do.
But, I've never heard anyone say that they gained too much muscle

 

[flyin j]

if you run the nolv or get some adex and run that all the way through, it will cut down on the water weight. However, I think 500mg/wk still might be a bit too much for what you're trying to do.
But, I've never heard anyone say that they gained too much muscle

Do you have any input on Liquidex from AncillaryGuys.com, the pill form of arimidex might not be getable for me right now. As for the prop test E switch I will have to check with my source about it, it could be too late for that but if I have to I will put up with the pain and possibly extend it for 2 weeks making it 10 weeks, and after all putting it with eq or tren in the same needle will cut the pain down some. Thanks for all input man.



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[Maxx Out]

QV BOLD 200 wks 1-12 400mgs
QV PROP 100 wks 5-12 100mgs eod
FINA (homebrew) wks 7-12 100mgs eod
Y ES all the way through the cycle with cardio 5 times a week.
Nolvadex ed or eod as needed once I start the prop.
Dostinex e4d once I start the Fina.
PCT will be standard protocal from JENETIC.

Looks great! Only thing I'd think about changing is running the prop to about week 15. It'll keep some test in your system while giving the eq a chance to get fully out and it'll help your willy too !!!!

 

[flyin j]

Looks great! Only thing I'd think about changing is running the prop to about week 15. It'll keep some test in your system while giving the eq a chance to get fully out and it'll help your willy too !!!!

Thanks man, how about this cycle:

EQ 400mgs wks 1-12
Test E 250mgs wks 1-10
Test prop 50mgs eod wks 6-13
Fina 100 mgs eod wks 7-13

My only question now is about the prop should I do 50 or 75 or 100mgs eod any suggestions???



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[Makavelli]

Thanks man, how about this cycle:

EQ 400mgs wks 1-12
Test E 250mgs wks 1-10
Test prop 50mgs eod wks 6-13
Fina 100 mgs eod wks 7-13

My only question now is about the prop should I do 50 or 75 or 100mgs eod any suggestions???



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That looks better. Run the prop at 100 mgs 4 times a week. So that will give you 400 mgs/wk of test. My first cycle was 400 mgs/wk prop and 400 mgs/wk of EQ for 16 weeks.

About the different esters causing water retention, I have noticed that cyp causes me to hold water like no other ester. I can use ent and not get the same amount of water retention as with cyp. This has happened several times so I know it's the cyp. Just thought I give my opinion on it.

 

[Maxx Out]

U might wanna try it this way:

EQ 400mgs wks 1-12
Test E 250mgs wks 1-10
Test prop 50mgs eod wks 11-15
Fina 100 mgs eod wks 11-15

U can start pct a few days after your last shot of prop. Take the guess work out of when to start pct-- the eq should be out by then.

 

[flyin j]

U might wanna try it this way:

EQ 400mgs wks 1-12
Test E 250mgs wks 1-10
Test prop 50mgs eod wks 11-15
Fina 100 mgs eod wks 11-15

U can start pct a few days after your last shot of prop. Take the guess work out of when to start pct-- the eq should be out by then.

Thanks for all the input Maxx and Makavelli, I think I will do it this way:

EQ 400 wks 1-12
test E 250 wks 1-10
test prop 75 eod wks 6-14
fina 100 eod wks 9-14
I will start Pct on week 16 with hcg and nolva that gives 4 weeks for the eq to leave and the test e should be gone by then I could run the prop for 5 weeks like you suggested but I already have 30ml of it so why not use it.

and can anyone vouch for Liquidex???

Thanks for all the input guys!!!

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[Makavelli]

Thanks for all the input Maxx and Makavelli, I think I will do it this way:

EQ 400 wks 1-12
test E 250 wks 1-10
test prop 75 eod wks 6-14
fina 100 eod wks 9-14
I will start Pct on week 16 with hcg and nolva that gives 4 weeks for the eq to leave and the test e should be gone by then I could run the prop for 5 weeks like you suggested but I already have 30ml of it so why not use it.

and can anyone vouch for Liquidex???

Thanks for all the input guys!!!

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'Nothing else matters'

Liquidex is good shit. That's what I use.

 

[flyin j]

Liquidex is good shit. That's what I use.

Thanks man I think that Liquidex is the only form of arimidex I have access to, what dosage should I take weekly and I guess I take the dropper off and suck it out with a syringe then swollow correct??? Thanks again for the input.


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[Makavelli]

Thanks man I think that Liquidex is the only form of arimidex I have access to, what dosage should I take weekly and I guess I take the dropper off and suck it out with a syringe then swollow correct??? Thanks again for the input.


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With the amount of test you're using you can probably get away with only .5 mgs/eod. Just take half the dropper and squirt it in your mouth. Make sure to have some water handy because it tastes like shit...