FINALLY - my results are in....big trouble?

[JKurz1]

Your white blood cells will drop when you undergo treatement for cancer. If you are healthy and they show a drop it just means yoru Immune system is running low.

Things such as Chemo Therapy and Radiaiton treatment can cause your white blood cells to drop off dramatically. You are not undergoing any of these treatments so cancer should no even be a concern right now.

Thanks bro - karma for the ease of concern.........I'm not undergoing any treatment and this has been a problem for a long time.....I'm starting the patch, getting the bloodwork done, and hopefully it'll work out.........his exact words were that he thought my low test was causing my other problems.....hopefuly this gay patch works....and let's me put on some weight.....

 

[JKurz1]

Also, my liver enzymes were about 67, right? 30-60 is normal? So, it's not crazy high.......wonder what that is from..creatine??? Havent had alcohol in years....

 

[The Greatest]

brother you need to look into a good treatment to raise your immune system.

 

[Gigantasor]

Also, my liver enzymes were about 67, right? 30-60 is normal? So, it's not crazy high.......wonder what that is from..creatine??? Havent had alcohol in years....

Yeah your liver counts are not that high. I have been in the high 80's in the past. Creatine may be a bit of the problem. The best thing you can do now is just take it easy and work through the patch process. The weight will start to come back and all should return to normal. Time fixes all things bro. Just go through the motions.

Thing to remember is that this didn't happen overnight and it will not fix itself overnight either. But it will get better.

Gig

 

[Ulter]

The patch is essentially the same thing as AM Dbol. Imagine that.
Your liver values are fine for a man who weight trains. Your doctor should have tested GGT along with the ALT and AST to determine if the results are from your liver or not. ALT and AST are released from your muscles when you weight train.

 

[junk]

Hey Kurz, I hope you read my reply carefuly:

1) I wouldn't worry about your liver at all.
AST and ALT has close to zero meaning. Especially for athletes. And even if they would, they are not considered something "to be concerned about" He should have checked your GGT, that is a much better indicator more specific enzyme to liver. That said, if you really want you can test GGT. Taking Tyler's probably wouldn't hurt but I don't think truely nessecary. BTW: Personally, I have a LOT (I should an 80 pixel font for this word) of experience with Doctors. I hate to say that at least 90% of them no shit. A "good" doctor asked me a few years ago why would I want to check GGT cause it had nothing to do with the liver and not needed to be checked.. LOL

2) I must say your doctor is VERY UNRESPONSIBLE AND UN PROFESSIONAL!. Going to give you the patch? (which is pretty much giving you some light doses of testosterone).. That is NOT even trying to cure your problem. This is just to help with the symptoms and WORESEN your problem!
Hell, did your super doctor even thought about checking your LH ?
He should first try to get your systems back to normal and cause YOUR BODY to produce LH and TEST. NOT just giving you testosterone patches. Is your doctor Endocrinologist? When was the last time this guy even seen a study in the new england medical journal?

I can give you some horrible examples of several "senior" "known" figures that I've seen/heard that talk bullshit. Not all.. but sadly the majority.

If I had the same condition as yours I would probably go with:
3-4 weeks of HCG 2000-5000IU 3 times a week, along with 50mg of clomid. You can add 10-20mg of nolvadex along the Clomid. Then after, the HCG continue taking clomid at 50mg for about 8-12 weeks possiblly with some nolvadex. Then wait 3-4 weeks and do blood test again. (needless to say you should stay clean of juice for all that time).

That IMO MIGHT POSSIBLE fix your problems. But I'm not a doctor, so I cannot tell you to do that. I would seriously look for a -GOOD-OPEN MINDED-UPDATED Endocrinologist. And I would prefer one that I've heard that had good results with "fixing" his athletes patients problems and not trying to solve it with "put a patch on and come back in a month". JESUS!


JUNK

 

[gjohnson5]

Well, he prescribed me the patch.....anyone ever used? Can anyone tell me about it and what effects it'll have on me?

Here are my score, don't know how to read these charts at all, but I'll post it as best as possible....

choleserol - 125
TriGly - 38
HDL-CHol (61)
AST - 48
ALT - 67

TESTOSTERONE, SERUM 160NG/DL
INSULIN (<2.0)
PROLACTIN (8.0)
TRIIODOTHYRONINE (T3) - 70NG/DL
T4 - 6.5 UG/DL
FREE TEST (DIRECT) 3.6 PG/ML
HEMOCYCT, P/S 6.8 UMOL/L
ESTRADIOL - 10PG/ML
CORTISOL 26.6 UG/DL


my liver enzymes were also high (67) and he seemed pretty concerned with that......but they were high a few years ago....he's doing some Heb ABC screening and bone cancer tests.......what do you guys make out of this?

He told me he isnt concerned, thinks with my test being so low, that it's effecting everything else.....thoughts? HUGE KARMA!


------------------------ -reference ranges-
WBC ---------- 2.2 ---- 4.1-11.3 x10*3/cumm
RBC -----------3.96 ---- 4.2-5.5 x10*6/cumm
Hemoglobin --- 14.1 ---- 13-17.0 gm/dl
MCV ----------102 ---- 82-10 fl
MCH ---------- 35.5---- 27.0-34.0 pg
MCHC ---------34.9 ---- 30.9-35.4 g/dl
RDW ----------13.8 ---- 10.8-14.8 %

Lymphocytes --1.0 ---- 15-50 %
Monocytes ----.2 ---- 0-13 %
Eosinophils ----.1 ---- 0-5 %
Basophils -------0.0 ---- 0-5 %


Cortisol(am) ---- 4.3-22.4 mcg/dl

Testosterone ---- 241-827 ng/dl
(total)


----------------------

Cholesterol Total-186
LDL - 134
HDL - 41

VLDL 11

Triglycerides - 57
Glucose - 90

I will try to advise you and I hope you will listen:
1. Liver enzymes. Take r-ala , milk thistle. I also take glutathione. I got my liver enzymes from 3x normal to totally normal from doing what I perscribed.
67 ain't nothin. Infact my 3x ain't nothin considering people with liver disease may have several thousand times above normal.
2. You ldl is high. eat more monounsaturated fats (peanut butter, olive oil)
3. You white blood cell count is quite low. Maybe that's why you can't take a joke There is a correlation between liver disease , elevated enzymes and low white blood cell counts. I hope your test come back negative.

 

[Synpax]

The thing that seems to have caught my eye a little was your hemocrit level looking low IIRC what the right range is suppose to be. I have my last BW report around somewhere; I'll hunt it down and compare the proper ranges.

When did you do your last cycle? Did you do proper PCT?

 

[gjohnson5]

The thing that seems to have caught my eye a little was your hemocrit level looking low IIRC what the right range is suppose to be. I have my last BW report around somewhere; I'll hunt it down and compare the proper ranges.

When did you do your last cycle? Did you do proper PCT?

Different labs have different ranges, it's not standard
One of my blood test results has the normal range for hemocrit at 36 - 50

 

[JKurz1]

If I had liver disears GJ, Id be gone by now...this has been going on for years....my liver enzymes are high every time they are tested....even though 67 isnt that high...my immune system is solid...I get sick maybe once every few years and have no problem fight ing off infection, healing, etc.....thanks for the reply, even though you alsways got to toss in some smart ass remark.....You pm'd me and said you liked me, that's why you talk shit....I don't care for it too much, esp. in this circumstance.

Junk 0 thanks for the reply bro and I trust your knowledge...my md is a family md, he'd tell you str8 upo that this is not his specialty and prob should have referred me....he does not his shit though and is a very respected md.....maybe I should get some HCG....PM me, I want to further discuss....solid.

Ulter - good stuff.....thanks for the help.....


Gig - again, you know your shit....thans man.....day by day is the best theory by far...I need to f-ing quit overtraining and undereating.......it's amazxing I'm not ill.I do cardio every am at 430 am and train every night around 5.....getting about 6 hours of sleep and they arent very solid.......prob. why my system is down.....that and being around my bros who train then party hard is hurting me.....

What exactly is this dose of the patch...pretty weak huh? Will it increase my appetite or size at all? How should I eat? Crank the cals? I also have a bunch of test, dbol, winny, etc. that I was obviously putting on hold till this clears up...best idea?

I havent touched gear in 13+ months and when I did, yes, I was ignorant with my pct...it me in the ass....I have some clomid on hand and I WILL have the rest of my pct before I do anything....promise you that!