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~~Finally Cycle Time: Critique Please~~~

Mavy

Mavy

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Damn ... its almost been a full year since my last cycle.. so needless to say I am freakin excited! I was going to do a short cycle many times to hold me over, but I put it off because I wanted to get as lean an strong as i could and max out before my cycle. I am pretty set on this cycle, but I still want some constructive criticism, or to be told if i am forgetting anything. Stats: 5'11", 200lbs, 11%bf (guessing, I was 17% at 214lbs, and now my abs are finally out). 28yrs old, 5th cycle. I dont even count my first 2 cycles as cycles. My last cycle was amazing, i was 227 at the end of it, but i had went travelling for 2 months right after (no working out, no eating good), and went down to 217. I was dissapointed in the loss of muscle, but it was my choice at the last minute, and I was glad I went. I leveled off at around 215 until the last 2 months where I have been dieting hard and using T-Rex, and brought myself down to 200. I havent been this lean in a while. I would like to stay fairly lean while packing on some meat.

Cycle: Just to explain a few things. I am breaking in it down into 2 halfs. The first 6 wks, NPP, the second 6 wks, Prop. I dont want to run the NPP for longer than 6 wks, and I dont want to "come off" of it. EQ will be run as a base throughout it with orals along the way. Dbol at first for some fast-mass, winny for the last bit of the NPP to help with anti-prog, and var for the remainder. Here it is...


Wk1-3: Dbol - 25mgs/day
Wk4-6: Winny - 50mgs/day
Wk1-6: NPP - 100mgs/EOD (350mgs/wk)
Wk1-6: EQ - 500/wk (750mgs front load first 2 wks)

Wk 6: Mid-Cycle HCG Blast - (last wk of NPP, 500IU ED)

Wk7-12: Var - 60mgs/day
Wk7-12: Prop - 100mgs/EOD (350mgs/wk)
Wk7-10: EQ - 500/wk

PCT is going to be a mix of HCG, Clomid, Nolva, Magical herbs and spices, clen, colostrum, g-plenish and creatine etc etc .. hahahaha .. it will probably be more involved than my cycle. hehehe I dont plan on losing 1 lb.

Supps:
1once X-Virgin Olive Oil/day
1once Udos Choice/day
600mg aged garlic/day (kyolic)
Policosanol 30mg/day

Full range of liver supps, cant list em all. Also taking Liver Guard by source naturals, since tylers dont come to Canada. Good ingredient list in the Liver Guard, plus I will be taking extra ala and Calcium D-Glucarate.

I will be taking SAMe and TMG for the first 6 wks while on the NPP.
I know that TMG methylation produces SAMe, but it is really unclear to me how much SAMe you are getting out of the methylation, so I am taking both. I would love to continue to run the SAMe after the NPP as it supports joint comfort which will be wearing off after the NPP has left, but I dont have enough.

I also have aromasin that i will be running with the dbol, and maybe when I switch to prop, depending on how I am doing with bloat.

I have all of the usually protectants, and shampoos and SERMS as well besides for PCT. I know its a lot of supps, but like I say ... I had a year to plan for this hahahaa. I would like to end up at 215lbs same bf or lower. I think that that is my ideal weight. When i was 227, I felt too big, I also got huge shin splints from running. Just to much weight for my frame I think. I will be continuing with the 5x5 routine, I have found this to be amazing so far. Only been 1 1/2 months, so far, so I am sure it may stall out, but I have been having great progress with it so far. Critique away!

Many Thanks guys!
Mavy

:supercool
 
I will add in the product brands incase anyone wants to critique these.

Dbol: Russians
Winny: IP (I know I know ... these ones work though. Really! haha THey are leftovers)
Var: Homebrew
EQ: Orbit (pending)
NPP: B.M Pharmaceuticals India.
Prop: B.M Pharmaceuticals India

I will be starting the cycle in about 1 1/2 wks.
Mavy
 
cycle looks VERY well laid out bro. the only thing i would change is that i would run the HCG 500iu EOD during week 6 (but that's just me).

keep us posted!
 
i would run the var for 1 more week, that way the prop is totally outta ya system when u start pct
 
Okay, run the EQ for weeks 1-9 as it takes around 3 weeks to clear. Run the prop@75/day weeks 1-12. Winny AND var seems a bit overkill as far the 17AA issue is concerned, especially with d-bol. Drop the d-bol as you have fast acting Esters anyway. run var weeks 1-6 at say 40mg/day and Winny weeks 7-12@50mg/day. Drop the NPP since you're using EQ, it's overkill. I'd use HCG towards the end of the cycle, but not PC. Clomid and Nolva PC yes. Best of luck! Keep us apdated.
 
Very well thought out mavy..im liking the second half of that cycle..Plan on running something similar..cool bro good luck keep us posted!!!
 
dr0832 said:
your nuts man. but on another note what is homebrewed var?
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Its making var from powder.

Most likely he would suspend var powder in some kind of grain alcohol, or bacteriostatic water.
 
Eh guys thanks for the feedback. Ya the homebrew var is powder dissolved in grain alchohol (everclear). Its 95% alchohol, shit will make you go blind hahaha.

Thats a good idea rj, might as well keep gaining when as long as somethings in my system.

Optimus, you know I was contemplating running a mild dose of HCG (500iu once/wk) while on the NPP, but I dont want to my LH receptor to become desensitized to LH when nandrolone has a direct effect on it, that is why I was planning on just the mid-cycle blast as well as the PCT. I dont know, maybe once a week would be better though, then i wouldnt need the blast. Its probably not enough to cause any desensitization.

Stryker: I dont want to drop the NPP. I would drop the Prop before that. I KNOW FOR SURE I will build more mass off of the NPP than prop (and the whole first part of the cycle that is). Test gives me more sides than gains. I just dont want to run NPP for more than 6 wks thats why I am swaping it out. I want to run the dbol for some fast mass and with the NPP to pack it on quick! (and I just love dbol hahaha). Its only 3 wks. And the winny for the remaining 3 wks of the NPP. This is to help with any prog related issues. Plus my hair has been fine when I ran winny for only 2 wks, so I dont want to push it by going much longer. So no orals will be run together. But still its a lot of stress on the liver for the whole 12 wks. Especially with the var at 60mgs/day. Also I know its a better idea to shoot the prop or NPP ed, but I am not excited at all as it is doing EOD injects for 12 wks. The less jabs the better in my eyes. Gonna start hitting quads up for the first time this cycle.

Thanks guys,
Mavy
 
Actually, I think Winny is IP's best product, Sus too, I had awesome results from both. Good luck and Karma for having the nuts to mix IP with pharm grade gear!!!!
 
WolfPack Charlie said:
Actually, I think Winny is IP's best product, Sus too, I had awesome results from both. Good luck and Karma for having the nuts to mix IP with pharm grade gear!!!!
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hahaha ... ya hopefully I wont get a batch of his SARS! haha. Ya ,, his winny seems to be his "claim to fame" product. I ran it before thinking it was upjohn, until my buddy who gave it to me told me it was IP. I was very impressed with it. I am actually putting a mix into this cycle. Human grade, UG, Homebrew, and IP. Yes he deserves a classification of his own. haha

Mavy
 
As soon as I've hit all the possible spots on my gums, the eyeballs are next!! Although straight into the testicles might work pretty good too!!
 
dr0832 said:
your nuts man. but on another note what is homebrewed var?
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Im not nuts bro! :insane: :freak: :cyclops:

This is actually a fairly sane cycle compared to some of the ones some other guys are running around here. Its just kinda technical I guess, not simple like I would rather it be! hahaha
 
hey mavy good luck with your cycle bro. you did alot of reasearch i hope it works out good for you.
 
I like it for the most part, but would like to see some kind of long ester test in the first 6 weeks at a low dosage at least. Just my .02
 
I knew people were going to suggest that to me instead or running the EQ as a base. You know what though bro ... I think that I am actually gonna start to slowly phase test out of my cycles. THe only plus sides I really get from test is the mojo increase. For the most part I get more sides than gains from test. I know its not the norm around here, but I want to keep my cycles mainly anabolic. Nandrolone, EQ, Primo, and Var. This cycle just happens to have a little bit of everything in it.

Cheers bro.
Mavy
 
Since you wanted some critique I have a few. First it looks like a very good cycle but imo you just go a little bit too fancy when you could easely keep it much more simple.

First, why not running the prop all the way? Since you're taking winny, I assume you're not prone to MBP and getting rid of HDL temporary is not a big deal for you (with your supps you like concerned but you run winny so...), so why don't you run a bit of Trenbolone? IMO with a such cycle, I'd narrow down my drug list to 3. One of NPP or Tren, with Prop and Var. However, beware if your prone to gyno lol. I assume my combo is alright for you since you already have one 19-nor, the var and the test.
 
eh Koivu... thanks for the input. The only reason I am swaping in prop for the second half of the cycle is because I dont want to run the NPP longer than 6 wks. I believe that this is when people run into the problems recovering when they run nandrolone longer, and in the absence of HCG. I am prone to MBP, but in all honesty, test seems to be the only thing to promote it. I ran winny for 2 wks last time and had no problems, so I am hoping that i will be fine for running the winny for the last 3 wks of the NPP part. If i start to notice much shedding, I will drop it and start the var earlier. I will have a lot of it.

You know ... i thought pretty hard about adding tren, but panzied out. Thats why I have the NPP in there. I may try tren someday, but it will likely be in a short 2 weeker or something. I know ... it is a little to fancy, but I planned it like that for a reason. Its not to fancy when you think of it in halfs. The second half isnt that fancy either, just test/var/EQ.

Also, I like this because now I can really compare the first half and second half of the cycle. See what works best for me. I will be upping my calls more for the first half for mass and trying to harden things up a bit in the second half but still keep growing.

Mavy
 
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