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final word on ALA ...

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sorry ... kinda posted this in the Diet forum ...

so what brand of ALA is really the best all around ( effectivity price etc. ) ? ... im thinking of either buying Jarrows, Nutriteam ALA (Nature's Purest) or the r-ALA from anabolicfitness ...

if i would take the r-ala ... how much do i take per meal if i usually take around 900-1200 mg per meal of ALA ( based on the ALA i bought from Natures Purest, Nutriteam )

thanks !
 
problems with your "solution".. though it may appeal to some.. as it does cost less...

a. you have to buy a kilo- 300 days worth at high end dosages

a1. higher intial cost.

b. you have to cap your self...ie time

b1. most people can cap about 100 caps an hour.. this is a cost.. but will depend on how much time is worth..

c. you have to buy caps-- cost about 45$-60$ for 3000

obviously R-ala is intended for those that want to get the best results with minimal dosage (perhaps avoiding potential sides)..

S-ala has been shown to increase insulin production
S-ala has been shown to counteract R-ala is SOME tissues


S-ala MAY.. stress may.. decrease life expectancy (in rats. )
R-ala, on the other hand, has been shown to increase it(in rats)

those are just some of the reasons..

though if monetary cost alone is the issue.. it is a good idea for those with extra time and patience for capping and either sharing caps or using high amounts..


note- high ala dosages (which are necessary with the racemic to get the same results as the R) deplete BIOTIN.. so be sure to add some to diet.. it may deplete others.. but cannot say for sure.
 
Well folks, be aware that if you plan the R-ALA at a gram a day, then you best order three bottles or $60 for a months supply, and don't forget the shipping, lets round it to $65 order for 30 days.

I pettiion if someone is willing to shell out $65 per month on R-ala, then they should consider a one time ALA purchase for $190 plus $5 shipping, which covers about 300 days.

Some folks use the loose ALA powder in orange juice, others use it with there carb up post work out drink and avoid capping all together.

IMO - I would say it appeals to those looking for the best deal.

R-ALA will come down in price once competitors see the pie and want their slice. Once this happens then I will reconsider

Sirwanksalot
 
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SirWanksalot said:

R-ALA will come down in price once competitors see the pie and want their slice.


dont think so.. r-ALA costs AT LEAST 3 times what racemic does.. and that will NOT be coming down anytime soon.. it is unlikely that most companies would even consider carrying it.. the investment cost is quite high for a small return.. but there may be some companies that do as the benefits and differences become clear to the public at large and the price does come down.. but that will not be anytime soon..

most companies will juist carry ALA as few know the difference.. though it is a considerable one
 
btw- if the few initial experiences are indicative of the "public" .. r-ala can be taken on an empty stomach without heartburn.. (though how true that is for others is unclear as of yet)
 
on the whole.. for those that want the absolute cheapest(dollar wise).. your reccomendation is quite good..

but for those that want the best .. and what is clinically proven .. R-ala

ie.. for those with diabetes
ie.. for those using for life extension
ie. for DNP users wishing to decrease retinal oxidation..

for these the racemic is inferior.. even at the higher dosages

though it will take more users to see how the R-ala stacks up against the racemic in the glucose disposal.. its better.. the question is "how much?"
 
macrophage69alpha said:

dont think so.. r-ALA costs AT LEAST 3 times what racemic does.. and that will NOT be coming down anytime soon.. it is unlikely that most companies would even consider carrying it..

Thanks for the info my friend, since as you state R-ALA costs "3 times" what common ala does, then simple math tells me that price point should be three times what I paid or $190 (common ala X 3 = $570 (R-ALA) for a bulk buy at a discount dealer.

IMO - Theres enough room between $1,995 and $570 (using Mac's 3X formula) for lots of "price lowering" by numerous competitors.....

Again this is only my opinion on the matter............

Sirwanksalot
 
SirWanksalot said:


Thanks for the info my friend, since as you state R-ALA costs "3 times" what common ala does, then simple math tells me that price point should be three times what I paid or $190 (common ala X 3 = $570 (R-ALA) for a bulk buy at a discount dealer.

IMO - Theres enough room between $1,995 and $570 (using Mac's 3X formula) for lots of "price lowering" by numerous competitors.....

Again this is only my opinion on the matter............

Sirwanksalot

"AT LEAST 3" TIMES.. and that is with a 10kg purchase.. and more than three times the price you have indicated.. and have you had their product indepently tested?? because at that price.. well.. though it could just be a good deal.

btw- you are not counting costs of caps, encapsulation, labeling, bottles, sealing, etc. etc.

yes.. if you want to buy KG's from the manufacturer it is cheaper.. like it is for everything


btw- if you are not encapulating it.. it will degrade MUCH, MUCH faster.. every time you open the container you expose it to fresh air.. with a KG that is at least 1000-2000 or more exposures to "fresh" air with "fresh" oxidents.. essentially the same as leaving the container open.. so probably not a good idea

if you decide to go this route cap it... and try to cap in in as few sessions as possible
 
Hmmm... the R-ALA is certainly a tempting deal, but I think I will continue purchasing 36 grams in caps for $15. :p :p
It works great for me and helped me get into ketosis really quickly and works great on my refeeds.

I was going to throw a product called Yohimburn into the mix because I had heard so much much feedback on this site. Well, I did a little more research and I think I will try Lipoderm-Y, instead. :D :D
 
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