Fina Ruined!!! What Did I Do Wrong?

[scarylarry]

Fuck! Made, or tried, brewing another batch yesterday and It went bad. The first time I used A kit, turned out great. This time I used one frm pumpnpose. I thought That the directions would be the same so I followed the same steps. The only difference was instead of using the oil that came in the kits, I used EQ. The problem came as I push the Fina/eq through the filter, It clogged. I even ordered a second filter! What did I do wrong?This is what I did:

1- add pellets to magic solution, let disolve, used hot h20 to speed up

2- then take the broken down pellet mix and draw up 10ml and add to 15ml eq

3- push mix thru filter and clogged the shit out of it.

SHould i have used the coffee filter for something. I did use it because i have read it was not neeeded and A 's kit did not use one. Plz help.

 

[scarylarry]

by the way used 1 comp th packet and order a 4g kit.

 

[Zyglamail]

So let me get this straight, instead of the oil, you used EQ. If thats the case let me ask you a question.

1. When someone makes a given AAS, why do you think it only comes in a certian mg/ml concentration?

Sounds to me like you simply assume that you can suspend an infinite amount of solids in any given liquid, which as you have just found out is not the case. It clogged, because the oil that the eq is in was close to the saturation point which means it couldnt hold anymore solid so when you tried to filter the unsuspended tren clogged the filter. I simply recommend before you do any more home experiments you do some research, it will save you lots of $$$ in the future.

 

[scarylarry]

THankks zyg. I thought I had this one down, apparently not. I understand your explanation of what went wrong but I have a question. How then, would you mix the 2?. combine the finished fina and then add the eq?

 

[Zyglamail]

I dont have a pharmecopia in front of me so I cant tell you the exact solubility characteristics of EQ or tren for that matter, but suffice ot to say that any given amount of liquid can only suspend so much solid (AAS in this case) if you take an allready made AAS chances are it was allready made close to solubility whoch means it wont hold much more solid. If this is the case and you want to mix them you would have to brew the fina with regular oil and then mix the two together.

On that same note however, why would you ever want to mix the two in the same vial? I prefere to run tren for 2 weeks after EQ/ENTH/CYP etc so that I have tren in my system and I get its benefits while the long ester products degrade. Then I can jump on clomid a couple days after last tren shot. If you mix the two then ever inj will contain both, the tren will degrade long before the eq so if your cycle just consisted of those two, you would have to waite 2 1/2 weeks after last injection to start post cycle therapy. During this time you would get no benefit from tren and the benefit from the EQ would be fading dialy.

Lastly, you can just draw both into the same syringe and inj them that way during cycle so really no reason to combine them.

 

[scarylarry]

Thanks for the reply. The only reason i wanted to mix the 2 was that the eq was only 50mg/ml and running 500mg wk was going to be alot of stabs. appreciate the help.

 

[DaMan]

Zyg: EQ vs oil works according to posts on animalkits.be.

I noticed something, though. You used a component-th, so must have been a 4gf kit. Those contain 37ml of oil, not 15. That might explain it.

NB, Zyg, your thoughts on adding 100ml/mg prop oil instead of sterile oil? (Just curious if you know of anyone w/ experience, not opinion... appreciate it)

 

[scarylarry]

DaMan , I only did 15ml at a time. I was going to do a total of 42ml. That way Id have 42 days worth , or 6wks roughly anyway. It would have come to 95mg/ml . but it didn't, back to the drawing boards.

 

[MuscularWarrier]

Thanks to Zygmail for all his help.

Muscular Warrior

 

[gilly6993]

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[gilly6993]

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[serge]

So let me get this straight, instead of the oil, you used EQ. If thats the case let me ask you a question.

1. When someone makes a given AAS, why do you think it only comes in a certian mg/ml concentration?

Sounds to me like you simply assume that you can suspend an infinite amount of solids in any given liquid, which as you have just found out is not the case. It clogged, because the oil that the eq is in was close to the saturation point which means it couldnt hold anymore solid so when you tried to filter the unsuspended tren clogged the filter. I simply recommend before you do any more home experiments you do some research, it will save you lots of $$$ in the future.

i think the batch can still be saved with addition of BA and oil, final conc. will have to be calculated ofcoarse

 

[gilly6993]

Re: Re: Fina Ruined!!! What Did I Do Wrong?

what did I do wrong? You didn't use a Mr. T kit. They are the shit! can I get some backup.

...I would never use anyone else.....

 

[Zyglamail]

Zyg: EQ vs oil works according to posts on animalkits.be.

I noticed something, though. You used a component-th, so must have been a 4gf kit. Those contain 37ml of oil, not 15. That might explain it.

NB, Zyg, your thoughts on adding 100ml/mg prop oil instead of sterile oil? (Just curious if you know of anyone w/ experience, not opinion... appreciate it)

Daman I know you can get about 800mg/ml of EQ into solution, but im not sure exactly what that solution would contain. Animal may say it can be done, but wothout knowing exactly what is in the EQ, I dont like the blanket statement since EQ isnt cheap. I would need a bit more than animals word if ya know what I mean.

Im not sure on using prop instead of oil. Once again, the biggest concern is silubility and what was used to suspend the prop. I have a copy of the USP-25 phamocopia on the way and when I get it I will have more solid data on solubility etc.

 

[basskiller]

You can suspend 1gm of tren in 1ml of ba (I think), so it wasn't ruined.
BTW Your not just suspending it in the oil alone. The ba is there to help ad to the suspension of the new tren molecules.

What you should do is heat up the mixture so that it does mix as you would do while making gear with powders... then run it through a coffee filter.. Now try to push it through the Whatman filter.