Fina Kits, Math, Questions .... etc.

[Riker29]

No I am NOT one of these guys who has no clue about math, or how cc's relate to mgs. etc. LOL

I have a question about the math used in the various Fina conversion kits.

Something is WRONG out there.

For example looking at the sites of some of the major kit suppliers (ancillaryguys, f_kits, f_farm, Mr T, etc) there seems to be some problems with the Math they use.

Check this, one of them has the following on their site:

Our Kits Produce A True End Product Of:
4g Kit=50cc
6g Kit=60cc
8g Kit=80cc
10g Kit=100cc​

Huh? - Read that closely. Those numbers do NOT correlate to each other!

If a 4G kit makes 50 cc, then if everything is the same, we would assume that an 8G kit would make 100 cc (everything would have doubled, assuming that the resultant concentration of all is the same).

Now the figures correlate for the 6, 8 and 10 g kits (they are all proportional to each other) but the 4g is wierd.

And these same calculations are on several F_kit sites.

Any ideas whats up?



The ONLY way this would make sesne would be if there was a dramatic difference in the conversion efficiency of the 4 g kit, and ALL of the others. The 4 g kits (assuming that it makes 50 cc of 75 mg/ml) is converting at an efficiency of 93.75%, whereas all of the rest are converting at 75% efficiency.

Can anyone make sense of this? (I have a feeling that I have lost 90% of the readers long ago ... LOL.)

Dave

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

bump.....

 

[KR177]

dont mean to be a smartass or anything
but it could be a typo

 

[Riker29]

dont mean to be a smartass or anything
but it could be a typo

I thought about that too, but that same small "table " is on the sites of several different manufacturers.

Makes ya think that someone made an error and they all have been copying and pasting.

But it also make you wonder about the dosing and all. Either most of the 4g kits end up making under-dosed product, or all of the other koits make product which has a higher dose than thought.

 

[Riker29]

Bump.

 

[KR177]

perhaps they round up?

 

[GoFastMan]

No, i have made a few 40cc kits... they provide 50cc of oil with them for some reason. I normally end up with 50-52cc end product after loss at a strength of "about" 75 mg per ml.

You could always use only 4oml's of the oil to make a higher concentration, but for a 40ml kit with two cartridges dissolved the following is true:

35ml = 110mg/ml
36ml = 108mg/ml
37ml = 104mg/ml
38ml = 102mg/ml
39ml = 99mg/ml
40ml = 97mg/ml
41ml = 95mg/ml
42ml = 92mg/ml
43ml = 90mg/ml
44ml = 88mg/ml
45ml = 86mg/ml
46ml = 84mg/ml
47ml = 82mg/ml
48ml = 80mg/ml
49ml = 79mg/ml
50ml = 77mg/ml

 

[Riker29]

No, i have made a few 40cc kits... they provide 50cc of oil with them for some reason. I normally end up with 50-52cc end product after loss at a strength of "about" 75 mg per ml.

You could always use only 4oml's of the oil to make a higher concentration, but for a 40ml kit with two cartridges dissolved the following is true:


50ml = 77mg/ml

OK, the based upon that logic,

Those kits which supply like, for example, 80 ml for an 8 g kit, would result in a concentration of about 100 mg/ml.

Correct?

 

[GoFastMan]

Yes

 

[Riker29]

Yes

So, based upon that we have a situation where eiother:

All of these fina kits which are being sold out there which claim to produce a product which has a 75 mg/ml concentrtion, in fact do NOT have that - instead it's 100 mg/ml?

Or ...

They all have much woirse conversion efficiency and they do result in 75 mg/ml of product at the end, with a conversion efficiency of about 75%.

??????????

 

[THEEGAME2544]

Best way is to do your own math.

Example:

You have 4 carts at 2000mg/cart. = 8000mg total

8 gram kit will tell you what it contains: 10ml/magic solution, 80ml oil

After you are finished converting, measure how many ml total you have ended up with. Example....95ml

8000mg/95ml = 84.2mg/ml
Assume a 3% loss
Yields about 82mg/ml.

The loss is difficult to figure out but you can only really guestimate. So go by your own numbers and not an assumption.

 

[GoFastMan]

So, based upon that we have a situation where eiother:

All of these fina kits which are being sold out there which claim to produce a product which has a 75 mg/ml concentrtion, in fact do NOT have that - instead it's 100 mg/ml?

Or ...

They all have much woirse conversion efficiency and they do result in 75 mg/ml of product at the end, with a conversion efficiency of about 75%.

??????????

LOL, you are making a mess of somthing simple...

 

[Riker29]

LOL, you are making a mess of somthing simple...

No, maybe its something you can't follow, but trust me, I know math. So if you don't understand ... just move along.

 

[Riker29]

Best way is to do your own math.

Example:

You have 4 carts at 2000mg/cart. = 8000mg total

8 gram kit will tell you what it contains: 10ml/magic solution, 80ml oil

After you are finished converting, measure how many ml total you have ended up with. Example....95ml

8000mg/95ml = 84.2mg/ml
Assume a 3% loss
Yields about 82mg/ml.

The loss is difficult to figure out but you can only really guestimate. So go by your own numbers and not an assumption.

That does not make sense (no offense, not being personal here).

"8 gram kit will tell you what it contains: 10ml/magic solution, 80ml oil" - huh? Thats not what they say, they say an 8 G kit provides 80 ml of finished product.

"After you are finished converting, measure how many ml total you have ended up with. Example....95ml"

What 95? Even using your figures (which are not what the kit suppliers provide) 80 + 10 does not equal 95.

Bottom line - the say 10 g yields 100 ml of product at 75 mg/ml. Unless the conversion efficiency is 75% (which would be very very low) then something is not right.

I may be missing somethinmg - if so, what?

 

[THEEGAME2544]

That does not make sense (no offense, not being personal here).

"8 gram kit will tell you what it contains: 10ml/magic solution, 80ml oil" - huh? Thats not what they say, they say an 8 G kit provides 80 ml of finished product.

"After you are finished converting, measure how many ml total you have ended up with. Example....95ml"

What 95? Even using your figures (which are not what the kit suppliers provide) 80 + 10 does not equal 95.

Bottom line - the say 10 g yields 100 ml of product at 75 mg/ml. Unless the conversion efficiency is 75% (which would be very very low) then something is not right.

I may be missing somethinmg - if so, what?

My kit was an 8g kit. It contained:
10ml magic solution
80ml of sesame oil
that's 90ml total
After filtering the tren through, the end result was about 95ml total.
8000mg(4 carts) divided by 95ml of final product = 84mg/ml - 3% = 82mg/ml. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this makes sense mathmatically?

 

[Riker29]

My kit was an 8g kit. It contained:
10ml magic solution
80ml of sesame oil
that's 90ml total
After filtering the tren through, the end result was about 95ml total.
8000mg(4 carts) divided by 95ml of final product = 84mg/ml - 3% = 82mg/ml. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this makes sense mathmatically?

"After filtering the tren through, the end result was about 95ml total."

It's wierd that after adding the tren and filtering that you end up with MORE volume(?).

Plus the kit guys say that you end up with 80 ml at 75 mg/ml.

Something, somehere is "off". Or i am missing something.

 

[GoFastMan]

No you “are not missing something” can not make 95 ml out of 90mls of liquid ... This is an Obvious typo or incorrect measurements. And if you “knew you math” this would be extremely easy for you to visualize, and then find the answer to your problem. Follw what THEEGAME2544 said just plug the right numbers in. End of lame math thread.

 

[Riker29]

No you “are not missing something” can not make 95 ml out of 90mls of liquid ... This is an Obvious typo or incorrect measurements. And if you “knew you math” this would be extremely easy for you to visualize, and then find the answer to your problem. Follw what THEEGAME2544 said just plug the right numbers in. End of lame math thread.

Trust me, I know math there bro.

It still does not add up.

 

[mountain muscle]

Wouldn't displacement from the dissolved carts cause an increase in volume? Can't add a solid to a fluid without an increase in total volume. My 4g kit ended up with 52mls and my 6g kit ended up with 63ml. Both were FinaFarm kits.

 

[THEEGAME2544]

I'm just stating what I came up with.

80ml of sesame oil to start out with
10ml of magic solution
=90ml total

Added fina tabs, filtered, then measured the final vial and came up with 95ml. I figured that the tabs, having dissolved may have added more volume to the final product thus the extra 5ml? Or maybe I measured wrong with the syringe a couple times? Who knows. My kit was an 8g kit from FinaFarm.