FINA in hand. First cycle. 3 questions.

[nickidaho]

FINA in hand. FIRST CYCLE. 3 QUESTIONS.

Hey guys, k, I just got my fina in the other day. I think Im about ready to start in a couple weeks or so. This'll be my first cycle. I've been looking around and have had a hard time finding info. on fina.
My friend did it with good results. Stats:

24 yrs old
male
5' 9"
Worked out for years on and off.
Looking to put on 7-10 lbs.
Eating habits: eat as much as I can...working on it.

Can you guys see my picture? You might have to click on my username to see it. Cant figure out why!

The only reason I dont think I am ready to start yet is because I want to make sure my eating habits are up to par. Ive heard 3500 calories a day or so for bulking?

I put my pic on here and I made sure to take it on an off day so there is no pump and no deception.

Questions:
What is the best recommended dosage?
If i were to use chlomid exclusively for PC, is that sufficient? (Thats what my friend did, 3wks) Should I use nolvadex or anything? Do I have to take an anti-e DURING the cycle?

Has anyone done fina? Like it? Anything particularly important that I need to know regarding fina?

Thanks for taking the time. Really.

 

[UncleSam]

Hey guys, k, I just got my fina in the other day. I think Im about ready to start in a couple weeks or so. This'll be my first cycle. I've been looking around and have had a hard time finding info. on fina.
My friend did it with good results. Stats:

24 yrs old
male
5' 9"
Worked out for years on and off.
Looking to put on 7-10 lbs.
Eating habits: eat as much as I can...working on it.

The only reason I dont think I am ready to start yet is because I want to make sure my eating habits are up to par. Ive heard 3500 calories a day or so for bulking?

I put my pic on here and I made sure to take it on an off day so there is no pump and no deception.

Questions:
What is the best recommended dosage?
If i were to use chlomid exclusively for PC, is that sufficient? (Thats what my friend did, 3wks)

Has anyone done fina? Like it? Anything particularly important that I need to know regarding fina?

Thanks for taking the time. Really.

my second cycle was a fina only cycle, it was ok, looking back i wish i had compounded it with test or something, but the gains were good like 9 lbs after my pct. it was a 8 week cycle at 75mg/ml. my diet and rest sucked, i was not able to get enough to eat. one thin g that i noticed wa sthe my strength more than anything was gaining big time!! even with the poor diet. you'll like it, but be smarter than i was, commit to it and feed the machine you know?

 

[UncleSam]

my second cycle was a fina only cycle, it was ok, looking back i wish i had compounded it with test or something, but the gains were good like 9 lbs after my pct. it was a 8 week cycle at 75mg/ml. my diet and rest sucked, i was not able to get enough to eat. one thin g that i noticed wa sthe my strength more than anything was gaining big time!! even with the poor diet. you'll like it, but be smarter than i was, commit to it and feed the machine you know?

sorry that was supposed to be 75mg ed

 

[mrcashcream]

Not to sound like a prick, but looking at your pic, it looks like you'd add on some serious gains naturally yet before you should even consider using gear.

 

[nickidaho]

Not to sound like a prick, but looking at your pic, it looks like you'd add on some serious gains naturally yet before you should even consider using gear.

Should you always go for as much natural gain before you gain with a cycle? (and no offense taken dude, dont worry)

 

[mrcashcream]

Yes. Establish a base and some natural growth first. Get your diet and training dialed in and in months, you'd surely see just as much growth naturally as you would using gear.

 

[UncleSam]

Mrcash make a good point dude. i wouldn't tell you what to do but i didn't look at your pic before i pipped in. Eat.. Eat....Eat. get some protien to help with your cal. intake. and lift like a bastard!! the weight wil come!
waiting is a bitch though isn't it?

 

[nickidaho]

Mrcash make a good point dude. i wouldn't tell you what to do but i didn't look at your pic before i pipped in. Eat.. Eat....Eat. get some protien to help with your cal. intake. and lift like a bastard!! the weight wil come!
waiting is a bitch though isn't it?

yeah dude, waiting sucks!! I really want to take it now, but I want to be smart about it too. I guess i will wait like another month or so, but after that, I think it will be too hard to hold off any longer. God dammit!! Anyways, will clomid suffice or should I take anything else? thanks

 

[ben dovergurl]

yeah dude, waiting sucks!! I really want to take it now, but I want to be smart about it too. I guess i will wait like another month or so, but after that, I think it will be too hard to hold off any longer. God dammit!! Anyways, will clomid suffice or should I take anything else? thanks

might want to have some bromo on hand, along with an AI.

 

[nickidaho]

my second cycle was a fina only cycle, it was ok, looking back i wish i had compounded it with test or something, but the gains were good like 9 lbs after my pct. it was a 8 week cycle at 75mg/ml. my diet and rest sucked, i was not able to get enough to eat. one thin g that i noticed wa sthe my strength more than anything was gaining big time!! even with the poor diet. you'll like it, but be smarter than i was, commit to it and feed the machine you know?

9 lbs!!! wow, thats pretty amazing considering!

 

[dougmug]

That's a mighty strong AS for your first cycle! Lots of sides with Tren. I would change it to Test/deca or Test/d-bol for your first run. Or better yet just do a 500mg-gram of test for your first time. Good luck either way bro.
D

 

[SwolK]

WTF??

I dont even know where to start...

Not sure why no one has told you that Fina only for a first cycle (or any cycle) sucks.

obviously you need to read and research because with what you have said you are going to do nothing positive for yourself.

3500 cals is not enough for a bulking cycle.

A first cycle should be something simple like Test E at 400-500mg for 10 weeks

use an AI and finish with PCT.

So unless you want gyno (bitch tits), a limp dick, and be shutdown for a while, i suggust you do a lot more research!!

Im not trying to be a dick, but you need to be set staight before you hurt yourself. I seriously cant believe Im the first one to say this...

BTW, I dont see your pic. dont need to. by the info you gave and the knowledge that you lack it is obvious you are not nearly ready.

BTW, Fina is Tren. --should not be run alone, or for first cycle

 

[SwolK]

where are all the other Vets or knowledgable guys?

 

[mm107]

go with a test base cycle.

i poppoed my cherry couple months ago....and loved every bit of it.

but again it was 500mg test E/week and not Tren.

 

[danymal04]

Test Prop 50-100mgs EOD has to always be run with Tren. Tren is usually run 30-70mgs ED.. start low if you do. In a matter of fact, don't do Tren for first cycle, hopefully its Tren Ace? anyways, use Test Prop or something like that for your first cycle, trust me. Is this an injectable you have? hopefully otherwise its fake. For pct, look bro, your nuts shrink on gear, the longer it takes for your nuts to get back to regular size after you stop the cycle, the longer you loose gains you made while on cycle and it sucks ass, plus for some people it can be depressing. First off, read your ass off, live on these boards for the next month or few. You'll be happy you did and learn a lot from some of the guys on here. Don't fuck yourself first go around, lots of people on here do because they are ignorant and you dont want to be that person, cause all you'll have is regrets. Be smart... Just my 2cents.. and fuck your friend.. what you need to do for PCT is this: HCG starting you last week of cycle, (you need to by bacterial water, try ag-guys) 500iu E5days I believe for a few weeks. Than Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 in weeks. So its 40mgs week 1,2, 20mgs week 3,4 got it? Read up bro, don't be a sucker

 

[ALIN]

Re: FINA in hand. FIRST CYCLE. 3 QUESTIONS.

Hey guys, k, I just got my fina in the other day. I think Im about ready to start in a couple weeks or so. This'll be my first cycle. I've been looking around and have had a hard time finding info. on fina.
My friend did it with good results. Stats:

24 yrs old
male
5' 9"
Worked out for years on and off.
Looking to put on 7-10 lbs.
Eating habits: eat as much as I can...working on it.

Can you guys see my picture? You might have to click on my username to see it. Cant figure out why!

The only reason I dont think I am ready to start yet is because I want to make sure my eating habits are up to par. Ive heard 3500 calories a day or so for bulking?

I put my pic on here and I made sure to take it on an off day so there is no pump and no deception.

Questions:
What is the best recommended dosage?
If i were to use chlomid exclusively for PC, is that sufficient? (Thats what my friend did, 3wks) Should I use nolvadex or anything? Do I have to take an anti-e DURING the cycle?

Has anyone done fina? Like it? Anything particularly important that I need to know regarding fina?

Thanks for taking the time. Really.

for 1st time tren user 75-100mg EOD will work well.

 

[marshallmadman]

Yeah, danymal makes a very good point. All of us pretty much learned the hard way. Read up, and don't be a sucker. We all made mistakes on our first cycle. Don't be "that guy".

 

[armo72]

every word or swolks post is true. Nickidaho, if you really want to sauce (which I completely understand) at least start with something with less sides. I've seen guys get permanent sides off that shit. For a first cycle you are much better off with 500-600mg of test for 10-14 weeks (sust, omna, enanth, cyp) watever you can get but go with a longer lasting ester. See how your body does on this...and go from there. Jumping into something like tren right away is not a good idea. Trust everybody that says test is king.

 

[nickidaho]

Ok, so not tren. first time around! That sucks because I already have it. To answer your questions, yes it is injectable (pellets with conversion kit, have not converted yet, thank god). My pic is only viewable, for some reason, if you click my name and then click "view public profile". Dont know why.

One of the reasons I went with tren. is because it was easily accessible and my friend had done it with success. I dont even know where to get test and I know that I am not allowed to ask in the forum. How much is it? Can I ask that?

Please click on my pic. and let me know for sure what you think I should use after having seen where I stand. Some of you say test, others say tren. is great and that I will like it. Definitively, which is it?

I will keep reading and get to know all there is to know in the meantime. Thank You...

Oh, and 3500 calories is not enough for bulking? Damn, I better learn to be a hungry motherfucker then. lol.

Thanks Guys.

 

[danymal04]

Nobody said tren... you just asked about it... Test Prop... read some more, get like 100 posts and then talk to the mods.. if you dont' know what a mod is... stick around a lil while until you find out..and oh yeah, no discussion of prices or anything like that ont he boards..

 

[Sam5]

I guess I don't, nor have I ever understood why people think tren is bad for a first cycle. I agree it should be stacked with test for simple growth and pyscological reasons, but sides are sides. Your going to experience the same sides no matter which cycle it is and your not going to handle them any differently 2 years from now as you would handle them now. I really don't understand why people say this, like ooooh It's the steroid for the big boys. Does anyone understand where I'm coming from on this. I think there are a few guys that have good reason to say this but the majority of people that give this advice out are just saying it because it's what they hear everybody else say. I've done a few cycles of tren and I don't like it, but this guy might love it. Just stack with some test, preferebly prop. Load in the same syringe and it will cut down on the pain of the prop. At least it did for me. I know some that get pain from tren ace, but for me it was the only thing I really liked about being on it, was the reduction in pain by mixing.

 

[Slyder190]

Re: FINA in hand. FIRST CYCLE. 3 QUESTIONS.

Hey guys, k, I just got my fina in the other day. I think Im about ready to start in a couple weeks or so. This'll be my first cycle. I've been looking around and have had a hard time finding info. on fina.
My friend did it with good results. Stats:

24 yrs old
male
5' 9"
Worked out for years on and off.
Looking to put on 7-10 lbs.
Eating habits: eat as much as I can...working on it.

Can you guys see my picture? You might have to click on my username to see it. Cant figure out why!

The only reason I dont think I am ready to start yet is because I want to make sure my eating habits are up to par. Ive heard 3500 calories a day or so for bulking?

I put my pic on here and I made sure to take it on an off day so there is no pump and no deception.

Questions:
What is the best recommended dosage?
If i were to use chlomid exclusively for PC, is that sufficient? (Thats what my friend did, 3wks) Should I use nolvadex or anything? Do I have to take an anti-e DURING the cycle?

Has anyone done fina? Like it? Anything particularly important that I need to know regarding fina?

Thanks for taking the time. Really.

I'd use HCG in the final weeks of your cycle and then Clomid, Nolva and A-dex afterwords for 3 weeks. Anti 's won't combat Fina gyno. There is a lot of talk whether Dostinex may help or not. I'd run test with it for sure. If this is your fist cycle, Fina wouldn't be my first choice for. It's a "harsher" (for lack of a better word) compound. Try doin a lil more research before you begin anything. It can only help you Either way.

 

[nickidaho]

I guess I don't, nor have I ever understood why people think tren is bad for a first cycle. I agree it should be stacked with test for simple growth and pyscological reasons, but sides are sides. Your going to experience the same sides no matter which cycle it is and your not going to handle them any differently 2 years from now as you would handle them now. I really don't understand why people say this, like ooooh It's the steroid for the big boys. Does anyone understand where I'm coming from on this. I think there are a few guys that have good reason to say this but the majority of people that give this advice out are just saying it because it's what they hear everybody else say. I've done a few cycles of tren and I don't like it, but this guy might love it. Just stack with some test, preferebly prop. Load in the same syringe and it will cut down on the pain of the prop. At least it did for me. I know some that get pain from tren ace, but for me it was the only thing I really liked about being on it, was the reduction in pain by mixing.

Finally, thanks for being honest. I really do listen to everything that you guys are telling me, but sometimes I cant help but feel like everyone just dissuades newbies. They are supposedly all about help, but I have yet to really hear, as a whole, the group fully embrace someone's want to begin a cycle and just help. It seems like alot of "just wait dude, youre not ready".

I understand that you guys really do care and dont want anyone to get hurt and all, but dont you guys remember when you started a cycle long before you were really "ready"? Remember what that was like?

I know Im not ready, and probably never will be, but Im going to get as ready as I can, physically/mentally, for about a month and then go for it. Maybe Ill stack it with test prop too, like alot of you have said.

I dont get it, my friend that did fina had a really good cycle, nice gains, and no sides. So why all these sensationalistic claims of sides and harshness? Have you guys personally experienced these? What happened?

I dont mean to be rude guys, i really appreciate all the help and info that you provide. I really do. I guess Im just frustrated with the back and forth and general "youre not ready" bullshit.

If you want to see my pic, click my name. Thanks guys and again, I dont mean to sound like an asshole.

 

[armo72]

ok...the fact that you are even on this board means that you are more knowledgable and "ready" than most of us were. My first cycle was anadrol only which is worse than your proposed tren only. Thing is if I knew then what I know now I could have made much better progress with less turmoil during and after.

Doing a tren cycle is like jumping in the deep end before testing the waters...nothing wrong with that but you may be in for a suprise. I don't want to discourage you but please consider some test as a base...and run it for a few weeks after the tren. Throw in some PCT: HCG and clomid maybe an AI during and after and you will be very happy.

Buddy of mine looked amazing during his tren only cycle but got nasty bitch tits a few weeks after...2 years later he looks rediculous in a tight shirt.

I've done pretty much everything out there besides tren, not because I'm scared but because I'm saving it for desert.

 

[armo72]

Actually planning a cycle of tren/prop/masteron with dbol to start and anavar or winny to end. This will be after my next cycle of test/EQ with drol to start and winny to end.

 

[Beachboy6294]

If your set on running tren I would stack it with Test like most of the bro's are saying but I like Test for a first cycle. My first cycle was Test E/ Deca and it was awesome!!

 

[nickidaho]

ok...the fact that you are even on this board means that you are more knowledgable and "ready" than most of us were. My first cycle was anadrol only which is worse than your proposed tren only. Thing is if I knew then what I know now I could have made much better progress with less turmoil during and after.

Doing a tren cycle is like jumping in the deep end before testing the waters...nothing wrong with that but you may be in for a suprise. I don't want to discourage you but please consider some test as a base...and run it for a few weeks after the tren. Throw in some PCT: HCG and clomid maybe an AI during and after and you will be very happy.

Buddy of mine looked amazing during his tren only cycle but got nasty bitch tits a few weeks after...2 years later he looks rediculous in a tight shirt.

I've done pretty much everything out there besides tren, not because I'm scared but because I'm saving it for desert.

Wait, so he got gyno weeks AFTER the cycle was done?!! Dude Im really starting to have second thoughts about doint the tren. at all. Its tren ace, which from what I can gather is the best, if only because the sides will subside quicker if stopped. But I hear all of these horror stories and if the gyno didnt appear until it was too late, fuck dude! Did he take pct drugs?

Wont compounding tren and test just make the cycle even more risky for sides? I havent done much reading on test simply because i hadnt planned on taking it. Is there something that test does that helps to mitigate the sides of tren or something? Because that is what everyone seems to be saying, to stack the two, that is. Does it help psychologically? Somebody mentioned that.

Gyno is scary, but seems to be uncommon if safeguarded properly, while of course there are the few that will always be prone to it. Would that be an accurate statement?

Thanks alot dude

 

[armo72]

He took no PCT which is bad because tren shuts you down really hard. The test is a good base because it will help keep your libido up and give you a sense of well being. If you run the test a few weeks after you finished the tren you will not crash as hard. With the proper pct maybe you won't crash at all. The point is you don't know how your body will react to AAS. That why the guys here recommend the milder stuff first. If you did a test, deca cycle for example and had no problems then jumping into a tren cycle would be not as scary. This is all comming from a guy that has not done tren so keep that in mind. Just run it with an AI and have some nolva standing bye. You should be fine if you decide to move forward, fust make sure everything is in place first.

 

[Sam5]

Again, I will restate and I don't care if I get flamed. DON'T USE HCG FOR PCT!! Use it mid-cycle if anything. It is one of the most common mistakes made so as I said I don't blame anyone for thinking that this is the way to go. Research some on HPTA suppression and if you put logic and science togethere you will realize that HCG in PCT is making it harder for you to recover. Nolva or clomid, preferablly Nolva in PCT. If HCG is used throughout your cycle along with your test and tren, when you are done with the AAS your body will bounce back much faster. So in a sense it helps with PCT but should not be used during your actual PCT. It is a good preparer for PCT while "on". Read this thread and you might understand a little more.
http://www.anabolex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=475

 

[nickidaho]

Wow, he didnt do pct! Damn dude, well I guess i can understand seeing as how I wouldnt have had the slightest idea to do that had I not been on this site. Thanks guys. Yeah I'll read that anobollex thread that you linked and see what its all about. I think that either way i go, with or without test prop (i think), I will use both chlomide and nolva. Now i have to learn about test. god dammit. lol. and figure out how to get it, thats going to be the hard part. the thing i like about tren is that I can convert it myself (make sure its done right), and get it from a vetrinarian (which is reassuring). Is test a whole nother story? Pretty common/easy to come by?

 

[SwolK]

every word or swolks post is true. Nickidaho, if you really want to sauce (which I completely understand) at least start with something with less sides. I've seen guys get permanent sides off that shit. For a first cycle you are much better off with 500-600mg of test for 10-14 weeks (sust, omna, enanth, cyp) watever you can get but go with a longer lasting ester. See how your body does on this...and go from there. Jumping into something like tren right away is not a good idea. Trust everybody that says test is king.

thank God. another person that sees some sense. K to ya.

If this was a couple of years ago, or even 6 monts ago, there would be 30 knowledgable vets in the thead giving good advice. bottom line, Tren does not give the same sides as other AAS. and if you think all the sides are the same, you are not very knowledgable. The sides it does give that are the same, are much, much stronger. Ive been cycling for over 5 years. Just started my first run with Tren a week ago. Tren, Test E.

Im only a week into it, and can say that I am glad to say that I have waited to use Tren.

Some people have a very hard recovery even off test, so if you have a hard time recovering off of test, Tren may be a horrible recovery. That is one reason to start with Test.

damn, I can see why all the vets have moved on. no one here listens to the people that know what they are talking about. so they left. now we are stuck with a bunch of guys that kind of know what they are talking about, then they try to pass their knowledge, or lack there of, to the other newbs

 

[mm107]

Again, I will restate and I don't care if I get flamed. DON'T USE HCG FOR PCT!! Use it mid-cycle if anything. It is one of the most common mistakes made so as I said I don't blame anyone for thinking that this is the way to go. Research some on HPTA suppression and if you put logic and science togethere you will realize that HCG in PCT is making it harder for you to recover. Nolva or clomid, preferablly Nolva in PCT. If HCG is used throughout your cycle along with your test and tren, when you are done with the AAS your body will bounce back much faster. So in a sense it helps with PCT but should not be used during your actual PCT. It is a good preparer for PCT while "on". Read this thread and you might understand a little more.
http://www.anabolex.com/forums/showthread.php?t=475

dude, i dont even know what to reply. HRT DOCS prescribe HCG to steroid users at 500-1000 i.u/day after cycle.....

what makes u say that?

i also need studies and not another thread full of people

 

[Sam5]

dude, i dont even know what to reply. HRT DOCS prescribe HCG to steroid users at 500-1000 i.u/day after cycle.....

what makes u say that?

i also need studies and not another thread full of people

You guys do what you believe is right and I'll do what I know is right. My progress speaks for itself. And as far as tren sides,...doing a cycle of test is not going to clue you in on how you are going to respond to test, they work in the body differently. The only wawy your going to know if you like tren or if you respond badly to it is to try it. PERIOD!! I'm not going to waste my time going through site after site to find you proof. I've gotten this info from guy's that were on NPC national levels that are friends of mine from college. I see it is how they do things and I really don't give a flying fuck what your disagreement is, I doubt you're on their level.
I really understand why I left these boards six-seven years ago. This board, as is all the others, is full of non-believing, argumentative, pseudo-intellectual, know it alls, that when they get some conflicting info they flame and think THEY know everything. Very rarely do I see a post that is a new topic to me nor one that makes any good sense. Have fun being fucking small, but yet KNOWING EVERYTHING smart guys!! Ya'll must really be the envy of your gym. Oh yea, and you go ahead and use 1000 iu's a day of HCG smart guy and get back to me on that. I guarantee you won't do it again. LMFAO!!

 

[Sam5]

thank God. another person that sees some sense. K to ya.

If this was a couple of years ago, or even 6 monts ago, there would be 30 knowledgable vets in the thead giving good advice. bottom line, Tren does not give the same sides as other AAS. and if you think all the sides are the same, you are not very knowledgable. The sides it does give that are the same, are much, much stronger. Ive been cycling for over 5 years. Just started my first run with Tren a week ago. Tren, Test E.

Im only a week into it, and can say that I am glad to say that I have waited to use Tren.

Some people have a very hard recovery even off test, so if you have a hard time recovering off of test, Tren may be a horrible recovery. That is one reason to start with Test.

damn, I can see why all the vets have moved on. no one here listens to the people that know what they are talking about. so they left. now we are stuck with a bunch of guys that kind of know what they are talking about, then they try to pass their knowledge, or lack there of, to the other newbs

You just stated it right in your post yourself smart guy. Tren does not give the sames sides as other AAS. So why in the world would taking test only give someone any fucking clue as to what their reaction to tren is going to be. Jesus, seriously. Cycle for another 10 years and then get back to me. Actually don't bother, just stay small like you are.

 

[sofakingdel]

watever you can get but go with a longer lasting ester. See how your body does on this...and go from there. Jumping into something like tren right away is not a good idea. Trust everybody that says test is king.

i'm not a guru or anything but dont you mean short acting esther, just incase he has a bad reaction to the juice and it will be out of his system quicker?

 

[sofakingdel]

where's ulter, somebody straighten this post out, b4 this guy takes tren on his 1st cycle and gets himself on the 11 o'clock news for strangling somebody, then blames it in roid rage.

 

[Muscle Overkill]

People don't start out shooting heroin they start off smokin weed and drinking beer and work there way up. Steroids should be done the same way. I think anyone who starts off with test or tren is making a BIG mistake. Start off with anabolics like eq,deca,winstrol,anavar, etc.The weak drugs and work up to the strong shit. My oppinion on steroids if your not competeing only use juice in the summertime to show off ( thats why most of us take them Hey look at me Im buff lol )because in my oppinion you just crash and loose most of the muscle. I hear all the time on this board oh retained 80% of what I gained but they were only off for 2 months. Thats not long enough to really crash. Stay off 4-5 months and that 80% is now 40%, if you are lucky. Everybody is different but I get insane gains off the sauce but just crash when I'm done. Sorry to make a short story long but start off with anabolics and leave the androgens alone for when anabolics don't cut it anymore.

 

[nickidaho]

People don't start out shooting heroin they start off smokin weed and drinking beer and work there way up. Steroids should be done the same way. I think anyone who starts off with test or tren is making a BIG mistake. Start off with anabolics like eq,deca,winstrol,anavar, etc.The weak drugs and work up to the strong shit. My oppinion on steroids if your not competeing only use juice in the summertime to show off ( thats why most of us take them Hey look at me Im buff lol )because in my oppinion you just crash and loose most of the muscle. I hear all the time on this board oh retained 80% of what I gained but they were only off for 2 months. Thats not long enough to really crash. Stay off 4-5 months and that 80% is now 40%, if you are lucky. Everybody is different but I get insane gains off the sauce but just crash when I'm done. Sorry to make a short story long but start off with anabolics and leave the androgens alone for when anabolics don't cut it anymore.

OMFG, ok... now im just confused by all this shit. The worst part is that I DONT KNOW WHO TO LISTEN TO AND WHO KNOWS THEIR SHIT BEST.

As far as I can tell, SAM5 seems to be pretty knowledgeable, Slyder190 seems pretty level-headed, Armo understanding, Unclesam positive and helpful, Swolk is just plain argumentative, although I do appreciate his feedback, MM107 has never done tren, as far as I can tell, and Danymal04 also seems knowledgeable all around.

The guy with Macguyver as his pic also seems to know his shit, is he a mod? I try to take most everything on the internet with a grain of salt simply because you never know who the people are out there.

Guess Ill just have to swallow everything whole and regergetate a final ruling, thanks guys. Also, it sucks to hear that alot of the knowledgeable vets left this board. Hopefully some of you are still aroud listening to my bullshit.
Nick

 

[nickidaho]

And SAM5 just left this site. he seemed pretty cool too.! uuurg...

 

[solidspine]

50mg a day

Add test e at 500 mg per week,

don't do fina for more than 5 weeks.

 

[nickidaho]

50mg a day

Add test e at 500 mg per week,

don't do fina for more than 5 weeks.

Ok, was thinking :
6 wks tren.
9-10 wks test prop.

Why test e? wont I be fine with test prop?

 

[blut wump]

What happened to the posts saying he's not ready. Everything else in this thread is besides the point. Go learn to eat and train to grow some muscle, man. Spend some time on the diet and training forums until you've packed another 30 or 40 pounds onto your frame. At that stage you'll run gear fruitfully and know how to retain your gains and continue to build on them between cycles.

I've yet to read of anyone running tren for a first cycle and then saying that they're glad they saved test for later. Equally, I've seen guys run tren-only cycles and be happy with their gains. As I've posted in the past, some guys can run pretty much what they choose and get zero to negligable sides; others spend entire cycles just managing sides. A big part of running gear is gaining the experience to be sensitive to your body and when it's malfunctioning. Whilst running test might not prepare you for tren sides, it will prepare you not to panic when your body starts to feel unusual. Research is all about preparing yourself for what might go wrong.

The good thing about a simple test-only cycle is that it's fairly forgiving. Recovery is relatively easy for almost everyone and simply an anti-E, such as AIFM, will be adequate for pretty much anyone if the test dosage is light to middling.

Regarding HCG, it is suppressive in and of itself. Many think of it as being a part of PCT since they run it in that window between last injection and esters clearing. If you run HCG when using short esters then there should be overlap. If you run a long cycle then it can help to take HCG during the cycle. Chronic atrophy is not good for body-parts.

 

[nickidaho]

What happened to the posts saying he's not ready. Everything else in this thread is besides the point. Go learn to eat and train to grow some muscle, man. Spend some time on the diet and training forums until you've packed another 30 or 40 pounds onto your frame. At that stage you'll run gear fruitfully and know how to retain your gains and continue to build on them between cycles.

I've yet to read of anyone running tren for a first cycle and then saying that they're glad they saved test for later. Equally, I've seen guys run tren-only cycles and be happy with their gains. As I've posted in the past, some guys can run pretty much what they choose and get zero to negligable sides; others spend entire cycles just managing sides. A big part of running gear is gaining the experience to be sensitive to your body and when it's malfunctioning. Whilst running test might not prepare you for tren sides, it will prepare you not to panic when your body starts to feel unusual. Research is all about preparing yourself for what might go wrong.

The good thing about a simple test-only cycle is that it's fairly forgiving. Recovery is relatively easy for almost everyone and simply an anti-E, such as AIFM, will be adequate for pretty much anyone if the test dosage is light to middling.

Regarding HCG, it is suppressive in and of itself. Many think of it as being a part of PCT since they run it in that window between last injection and esters clearing. If you run HCG when using short esters then there should be overlap. If you run a long cycle then it can help to take HCG during the cycle. Chronic atrophy is not good for body-parts.

Dude, i dont even k now what to say. . . have you seen my pic?????

There is no way I am going to put on another 30-40 lbs!!!! I wouldnt even want to, I am 5' 9" - 5' 10" dude. And if so, it would take YEARS AND YEARS, no joke, of intense training and eating. Now Im sure, in a perfect world, that is what you would reccommend. Did you even read my first post[/B], I am only looking to put on another 7-10 lbs in the first place. I am almost wondering if that is a typo.

The rest of the info is informative, and I dont plan on HCG only because it does seem so controversial. I think chlom, nolva, and aifm. (If I am to do both test and tren).

Thanks

 

[blut wump]

Yes I saw your picture, I think you could benefit much more from the diet and training forums than from gear at this time. Those 7-10 pounds should be easy meat at your current development.

It's best always to run HCG with a cycle of a nandrolone or nandrolone derivative and nolva, while many do run it, is not recommended after a nandrolone. If you run tren and test together, make sure that you're as prepared for prolactin issues as for oestrogen issues. Enjoy your cycle.

 

[SwolK]

You just stated it right in your post yourself smart guy. Tren does not give the sames sides as other AAS. So why in the world would taking test only give someone any fucking clue as to what their reaction to tren is going to be. Jesus, seriously. Cycle for another 10 years and then get back to me. Actually don't bother, just stay small like you are.

Man, wtf is your problem?

As I stated, yes, tren and test do give different sides. generally, tren sides are harsher than test sides....yes, i said generally.

So, for a newb it makes sense to start out with something a little less harsh than Tren.

btw, I have had 6 surguries in the past 5 years. I do not claim to be big, but I do think that I look good considering what I have gone through. So FUCK you for attacking me

 

[nickidaho]

Yes I saw your picture, I think you could benefit much more from the diet and training forums than from gear at this time. Those 7-10 pounds should be easy meat at your current development.

It's best always to run HCG with a cycle of a nandrolone or nandrolone derivative and nolva, while many do run it, is not recommended after a nandrolone. If you run tren and test together, make sure that you're as prepared for prolactin issues as for oestrogen issues. Enjoy your cycle.

Aright, I am seriously looking into the diet and training forums now and will consider all that you said. Thanks for taking the time to write back Blut Wump. What in the hell does that mean anyway. Lol.
Thanks dude, Nick

 

[lifthard2005]

WTF??

I dont even know where to start...

Not sure why no one has told you that Fina only for a first cycle (or any cycle) sucks.

obviously you need to read and research because with what you have said you are going to do nothing positive for yourself.

3500 cals is not enough for a bulking cycle.

A first cycle should be something simple like Test E at 400-500mg for 10 weeks

use an AI and finish with PCT.

So unless you want gyno (bitch tits), a limp dick, and be shutdown for a while, i suggust you do a lot more research!!

Im not trying to be a dick, but you need to be set staight before you hurt yourself. I seriously cant believe Im the first one to say this...

BTW, I dont see your pic. dont need to. by the info you gave and the knowledge that you lack it is obvious you are not nearly ready.

BTW, Fina is Tren. --should not be run alone, or for first cycle

I agree here. Tren should not be used until cycle 4-5 at the least. From looking at your photo, you need some size to play with so that the tren can reveal and bring into detail your definition and shit. First cycles should always be test, whether it be 500mg/wk or 1g / wk for 10 weeks. dbol shouldnt even be used since it will not be needed for a first cycle, espeically test. Tren is a powerful steroid and its sides can be bad enough to make someone very sick and feel like theyre dying. Tightness in the chest, hard to breath full breaths, insomnia, sweats, etc.....are you ready for this, because without test they will seem alot worse man.

have you thought about possible gyno? how to fight it? Because if your thinking Nolva, WRONG!!! Nolva can not be used with nandrolones. Nolva upreguklates the PgR making gyno almost a definate issue ahead. How do you plan on keeping Prolactin under control? I know you doses arent through the roof, but you dont even know how your going to react to tren, so be proactive and have cabergoline/dostinex on hands for this.

IMO drop the tren and this whole cycle. Run test for 10 weeks between 750mg-1000mg/wk. your first cycle will always be where you gain the most and seeing your pic you need it bro (no offense). Get some Test and an AI like Aromasin or AIFM and have fun!

 

[nickidaho]

I agree here. Tren should not be used until cycle 4-5 at the least. From looking at your photo, you need some size to play with so that the tren can reveal and bring into detail your definition and shit. First cycles should always be test, whether it be 500mg/wk or 1g / wk for 10 weeks. dbol shouldnt even be used since it will not be needed for a first cycle, espeically test. Tren is a powerful steroid and its sides can be bad enough to make someone very sick and feel like theyre dying. Tightness in the chest, hard to breath full breaths, insomnia, sweats, etc.....are you ready for this, because without test they will seem alot worse man.

have you thought about possible gyno? how to fight it? Because if your thinking Nolva, WRONG!!! Nolva can not be used with nandrolones. Nolva upreguklates the PgR making gyno almost a definate issue ahead. How do you plan on keeping Prolactin under control? I know you doses arent through the roof, but you dont even know how your going to react to tren, so be proactive and have cabergoline/dostinex on hands for this.

IMO drop the tren and this whole cycle. Run test for 10 weeks between 750mg-1000mg/wk. your first cycle will always be where you gain the most and seeing your pic you need it bro (no offense). Get some Test and an AI like Aromasin or AIFM and have fun!

ARIGHT, FINE. You guys win. I'll do test... test prop.

Ok, so what dosage. Do you think 750-1k is too much?

I will be eating like a mother. Could you give me a final cycle layout?

10 wks test prop (at ________ dosage/wk, EOD?

AIFM? Like 2 pumps x3/day ?

Thanks , Nick

 

[beefcake28]

What happened to the posts saying he's not ready. Everything else in this thread is besides the point. Go learn to eat and train to grow some muscle, man. Spend some time on the diet and training forums until you've packed another 30 or 40 pounds onto your frame. At that stage you'll run gear fruitfully and know how to retain your gains and continue to build on them between cycles.

I've yet to read of anyone running tren for a first cycle and then saying that they're glad they saved test for later. Equally, I've seen guys run tren-only cycles and be happy with their gains. As I've posted in the past, some guys can run pretty much what they choose and get zero to negligable sides; others spend entire cycles just managing sides. A big part of running gear is gaining the experience to be sensitive to your body and when it's malfunctioning. Whilst running test might not prepare you for tren sides, it will prepare you not to panic when your body starts to feel unusual. Research is all about preparing yourself for what might go wrong.

The good thing about a simple test-only cycle is that it's fairly forgiving. Recovery is relatively easy for almost everyone and simply an anti-E, such as AIFM, will be adequate for pretty much anyone if the test dosage is light to middling.

Regarding HCG, it is suppressive in and of itself. Many think of it as being a part of PCT since they run it in that window between last injection and esters clearing. If you run HCG when using short esters then there should be overlap. If you run a long cycle then it can help to take HCG during the cycle. Chronic atrophy is not good for body-parts.

I'll second this. I've done several cycles... but, in the long run, I was happy that I waited a while till I knew that I had reached my natural potential before hitting the juice. It isn't easy. But, after you truly go through the hard work of gaining as much as possible naturally, you'll respect the gains from the juice so much more.

Either way, save the Tren for a later cycle...