Fina & HPTA Recovery....my current cycle..

[40butpumpin]

...However LH release is what gets the testis going and since you have been on cycle LH level have also been suppressed so regardless of what you take you still have to wait for the body to respond and start producing LH again...

The bottom line question to me is: will the testicles start working with the introduction of HCG despite high exogenous androgen levels?

If the answer is yes than I am wrong.

Sorry bro, for send making a simple question hard!

 

[bebaumax]

The bottom line question to me is: will the testicles start working with the introduction of HCG despite high exogenous androgen levels?

If the answer is yes than I am wrong.

Sorry bro, for send making a simple question hard!

Yes.

 

[Keep it beefy]

40

yes, you said it yourself. hcg acts at the testicular level. meaning that regardless of what the supraphysiological hormone levels are doing up in your hypothalmus and ant. pituitary, hcg will exert the same effect on the testes. the only worry is doing it too long while on cycle, as this could cause desensitization of the testes to testosterone.

 

[40butpumpin]

40

yes, you said it yourself. hcg acts at the testicular level. meaning that regardless of what the supraphysiological hormone levels are doing up in your hypothalmus and ant. pituitary, hcg will exert the same effect on the testes. the only worry is doing it too long while on cycle, as this could cause desensitization of the testes to testosterone.

Thanks, man.

Again, I'm sorry my steering anyone in the wrong direction.

 

[Stillgoing]

Thanks, man.

Again, I'm sorry my steering anyone in the wrong direction.

40, you provoked a good discussion. Thanks.

 

[gunner44]

I personally think that on a short 2-3 week cycle an individual can increase their previous dosages 50% to 100% so long as they still controll estrogen when using AAS which can convert to estrogen.

I know Mr Montana believes that short cycles are not an excuse to use more gear, but I happen to dissagree.

When only on for 2-3 weeks you need IMMEDIATE receptor saturation.

 

[aeon]

Stillgoing, in answer to your question, basically, there isn't going to be a big difference between 4 weeks and 6 weeks, so you might as well keep going.

Now, have you thought about a Dbol bridge? Or even, if you had it/could afford it, an Anavar bridge? If you're really concerned about the time it's going to take to get things back to normal after having run tren, then why not make your post-cycle recovery as far out from the cessation of the tren as possible?

If you have it, I'd also consider running your prop for 10 weeks. Maybe even lowering the dose for weeks 9-10.

Hmmm.. I'm going to have to explain myself here.. this would be a bit easier in conversation.. lol Basically, the BB community as a whole is a great community, but in general, one of extremes. All carbs, no carbs, all taper-cycles, no-taper-cycles, etc. I don't believe that tapering is going to get your body to start making any test, yes, as long as there's exogenous test, and you're already shut down, you'll stay shut down. However, your muscle growth is based on, and used to a certain amount of test, e.g. 500-750mg/wk. If you go from 750mg/wk to 0mg/wk, that's going to be quite a shock to the system in terms of overall strength and ability to keep it, even if you get your nuts back in a day, that's only ~150mg/wk. Why not lower your dose for a few weeks to 250mg/wk and see if you can get your body accustomed to maintaining its current size/strength at that dose, and then come down a bit further. You can see where long, or "never-ending" cycles start to make a lot of sense, and a lot of gains, when done properly. There are some people implementing this basic method already, and don't even really realize they're doing it. That's basically why I'd run an extra couple weeks of prop, to help solidify your gains. You'll also be pushing your recovery back 2 more weeks, and giving your system more time to adjust from being "shut down" by the tren.

To tren and deca. Personally, I've never experienced greater "shut down" from either of these than any other anabolics. The difference is that they decrease libido while test and other anabolics increase libido. I think this is where a certain misconception or misperception of being shut down arises. I could be wrong, but I haven't seen anything that shows that tren or nandrolone shut you down "more" than anything else. I don't even see how this is possible. Either your body is producing its own testosterone, or it's not.

The rest of your recovery, etc., I think is easily addressed by a lot of other very knowledgeable board members, I'm just offering you a few things to think about.
-B

In order for your body to produce sperm there has to be the right ratio of hormones in the body. Testosterone alone will not do it. There needs to be estrogens and FSH as well. The reasons why things like Deca and Tren will shut you down hard is because unlike testosterone they will not aromatize and therefore your ratio of androgens to estrogens is unfavorable. Testosterone esters takes a lot longer to shut people down because your body can con convert the test into estrogens, therefore keeping a favorable ratio for libido and sperm production.

People think that every time you are shut down it is because your HPTA. This couldn't be further then the truth. No matter what you are taking, it takes a really long time to shut your HPTA down. LH is a hormone that is responsible for the production of several hormones that your body requires. Not just testosterone. If your Hypothalamus was to really shut down you would be in a world of troubles.