Fina and Kidneys

[AnabolicDiabetic]

I think that all the "kidney hype" is due to the potential for kidney infections with fina. Pissing blood is a common side of a kidney infection and there is no other reason why fina should be any harder on the kidneys due to AAS properties than any other AAS. My take on it is that the production of fina is a non-sterile process, held to lower standards than pharms made for humans, and is therefor more likely to cause kidney infection. This may also be a good reason why most who have had kidney problems have seemed to be those injecting since any contaminants or impurities would enter the blood stream directly- maybe the "kit" method also increases the risk for non-sterility and therefor kidney infections. I could easily see how making injectable tren at home could lead to the increased risk for kidney infections. I haven't heard of anyone using oral complain of pissing blood and this would make sense since the diegestion process would probably destroy any contaminants. I thin if you start to lok at all the pieces of the "puzzle" that this begins to make alot of sense. Let me know what you think- AD

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

Perhaps taking fina with antibiotics would finally solve this kidney problem if this turns out to be a sound theory.

 

[JohnyJuice]

i don't know about that. my friend was using tetracycline for his skin at the same he was using fina and he still got one. But then again, tetra is for the skin. it is still a antibiotic though.

 

[Scotsman]

bump

AD

Nice point about the contaminants. Oral process has a greater choice of destroying any bacteria that may find its way into the body with the pills. Transdermal application should also filter out most of the contaminants and bacteria. Most people don't use enough caution when making their own injections or don't have anything to steralize with. I have never noticed any liver problems while on fina and I have always done it transdermally.

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

Yeah, I'm not sure tetra is strong enough for something like a kidney infection though.

 

[JohnyJuice]

what would you use then?

 

[JohnyJuice]

i am not sure what kit my friend used, But he got a kidney infection at about day 13 or so. Really bummed him out, cause he was seing awesome results. he was stacking it with 25mg of dbol. What kit do you all think is the best (especially as far as sterility)

 

[Zyglamail]

The A mans kit is the only way to go!

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

I'd use something designed to combat things like bronchitis etc. Names escape me right now but are easily found at any online pharm site for info. I'm not saying my theory is true yet, just thought it was worthy of some looking into.

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

Scotsman...you are "special" though. Not all of us have triple redundant kidney and liver systems Must be nice to have three livers and three sets of kidneyts to play with

 

[Warmachine]

How is it that lots of water and cranberry juice help the infection? Just by flushing out the bacteria? Shouldnt the sterilization process listed on the fina page take care of any contaminants? If you get a kidney infection to you need to stop taking the tren?
Also-Does anyone know if the old parabolan caused pissing blood symptom? Since that was human grade(i think) wouldnt it prove or disprove the contamination issue.
btw Scottsman, did i hear that right, you have 3 livers? lol

 

[Scotsman]

AD

Well after the next cycle I might be down by a kidney and the system may only be double redundant, but a quick course of Guiness drinking should get me back on track straight away. That is how liver redundancy is achieved!!!!

 

[Warmachine]

bump for answers

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

Excellent point about the parabolan...I would also like to know how this treated people in the past.
Water and cran probably decrease the likelyhood of infection by flushing everything out and cran's anti-adherance properties.

 

[bigrand]

BIB BUMP for the AD! Been asking the same question for like a year. I just think the kidney thing is a myth.

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

Bump...where are the vets?

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

bump...opinions?

 

[jrodssb]

just when i'm about to order a kit... more great info comes my way.
I'll just continue to watch closely as to the outcome of this thread!!



I've taken fina oraly. no problems with kidneys. just great strength increase on my lifts!!!!

 

[Scotsman]

Warmachine

Yeah I have three livers don't overlook what AD said about the exrta kidneys either. Thats shy some day the celts will overtake the world we can't be poisoned. LMFAO

 

[bigrand]

Bump,
Where is everyone who says fina is hard on the Kidneys? We need some evidence here!

 

[ironmaster]

AD may be correct on this.......2 years ago, while running an extended cycle of fina (A's kit), I began pissing blood.......not a little, like red paint. Needless to say, this scared the hell out of me.
The Doc's had a hard time finding the cause, eventually a MRI with dye located an infected cyst in one of the funnels draining the right kidney.
I took the antibiotic Cipro and in a few days, the bleeding stopped. Someday I need to have the cyst removed.
I have never blamed the fina, because I use everything imaginable in a cycle, and have used gear on and off for 30 years. I do know this, I have used lab made tren since, with no problems.

 

[JohnyJuice]

i believe the pissing blood is a sterility issue as well. My friend who started pissing blood had an infection. Got cipro and it cleared up.

 

[bigrand]

Thats why i will take my Fina orally!

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

If this seems like a valid enough theory to be expanded to other boards and talked about a bit more here, it would be great to get as many opinions as possible. Maybe if we could do some preventative things to help stop/treat infections, fina will finally lose the shame of being so called "kidney toxic". I also know of one person defienetly who has pissed blood and many others whom I've read about on various other boards. Like I said before, there is no objective reason why tren acetate should be any more kidney toxic than any other aas and all indications at this point lead to kidney infection problems due to sterility at some point in manufacture or kit use.

 

[JohnyJuice]

bump for some preventitive measures

 

[johniemi]

b-u-m-p

 

[Small_But_Growing]

I am going to order Cipro prior to my Fina cycle, just in case. I have a couple of sources, but I am still shopping around for the best price. Any suggestions?

 

[The Ranger]

WATER!!! And yes, cranberry juice has helped me in the past....I have used Keflex(sp) and this worked wonders as well...Good point AD, and Ironmaster

Ranger

 

[Zyglamail]

Just an FYI, if I am not mistaken A has changed the formula for his magic solution a tad within the last few months. How many of these reported problems are recent? Lets say in the last 3-4 months?

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

bump...still seeing new fina q's

 

[Warmachine]

Has anyone else seen the Component T-H with Tylan?
This is Finaplix with an added antibacterial in the form of Tylosin tartrate. I wonder if you used this type of fina in a kit would it help combat infections? I dont see how it couldnt, shooting it ed!

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

That might help...another thing that may help that a guy I knew did is microwave the drawn solution in the syringe for like ten seconds to sterilize it, let it cool, then inject it. Never done this myself but it seemed like it should work as long as the heat doesn't degrade the AAS- I don't know if it does.

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

Bump

 

[Nucc250]

Bump

 

[Nucc250]

Bump

 

[Maxx007]

I have never had any kidney problems with the fina. I always bake it in the oven at 250 degrees just to make sure it is sterile. I drink a couple of gallons of water a day to flush the kidney's out.

 

[Audio8]

I hear that a common symptom is a darker colored piss. So fina must have atleast some direct effect on the kidneys, no?

 

[JohnyJuice]

where can you find this component th with an antibiotic in it?

 

[STORM SHADOW]

I do not see the Cran or Milk Thistle as a way to flush infection. It flushes TOXINS out....if it's infected......only an anitbiotic will work period. Plus......'A' suggests if you have concerns........bake the Fina.........me.......I put it in the oven 3 times for 15 mins......& cooled for as much time. I've also read in a post that the filtering process removes bacteria at either .45 or .2.....can't remember. Hanging out at the Fina board.....the only people I see concerned most with this issue is this board.......that's my observation.

 

[HiFidelity]

fina

I used 8-9 tabs a day transdermally and got awful pains in my kidney's and lower back area. Cran extract helped a little, but I had to lower the dose to 7 tabs a day (140mg, about 110mg absorbed) and the pain went down to where it was bearable. Just my experiences.

 

[Audio8]

That's good info to know hi-fi...I think when I start my fina cycle, I will begin at a low dose ED (maybe 4 pellets) and slowly bump it up to a higher dose to see what my body can tolerate.

 

[Spunky]

ill be starting fina before too long.. now im getting worried. =(

 

[Scotsman]

Spunky-
If you are very worried about the sides or the possibility of infections than you probably shouldn't consider doing it. That's just my advice if you aren't completely sure you want to do something than don't do it.