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Sean Scott
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F-16 is for sure a great plane but th F-15 is used for so many opitions that it preforms above the standard. as for russian not very sure. M-21 as history goes is an outstanding fighter for what it was made for. the F4 phantom was used for many years and showed great versitilty. I believe it is still used for wild weasel operations against SAMs
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Depends on what you are measuring against. Are you talking aircraft capabilities or aircraft system capabilities? It also depends on what role the a/c is fulfilling.
An F-15 with a BVR loadout is gonna smack the shit out of aircraft from a looong ways away. If the F-15 gets into the merge with some newer jet that is more nimble, said Eagle driver is gonna be sucking up the seat cushion.
Ground attack - nothing is better than the A-10. It is this generation's answer to Vietnam's Skyraider. Gun, PGM, TGP, good loiter. It's the army's best friend in the air during a CAS fight.
Nothing will be better than the P-51 when it comes to pure cool factor.
An F-15 with a BVR loadout is gonna smack the shit out of aircraft from a looong ways away. If the F-15 gets into the merge with some newer jet that is more nimble, said Eagle driver is gonna be sucking up the seat cushion.
Ground attack - nothing is better than the A-10. It is this generation's answer to Vietnam's Skyraider. Gun, PGM, TGP, good loiter. It's the army's best friend in the air during a CAS fight.
Nothing will be better than the P-51 when it comes to pure cool factor.
Liked the theory behind the F-15 Eagle when it was first in development -- "Not a pound for air-to-ground." Pure air-superiority.
Sure seems as though the little F-16 Falcon would be a lot better for furballs, and that the Strike Eagle (two-seat Eagle) would be the better bomber, but as often as not the Israelis used the 16 as the attack plane and the 15 for escort/dogfighter! That says something about the F-15 as a pure fighter.
And the Falklands showed just how nasty the Harrier could be -- there's nothing like suddenly applying thrust at 100 degrees to your flight path to ruin the other guy's day.
Should be interesting to see how the new generation work out in practice. Vectored thrust plus stealth = ???
Sure seems as though the little F-16 Falcon would be a lot better for furballs, and that the Strike Eagle (two-seat Eagle) would be the better bomber, but as often as not the Israelis used the 16 as the attack plane and the 15 for escort/dogfighter! That says something about the F-15 as a pure fighter.
And the Falklands showed just how nasty the Harrier could be -- there's nothing like suddenly applying thrust at 100 degrees to your flight path to ruin the other guy's day.
Should be interesting to see how the new generation work out in practice. Vectored thrust plus stealth = ???
I would have to go with the F-18 its stronger than the F-16 or lets go with the untested (in war) F-22...it is supposed to be the next gen of multi purpose aircraft...all it would need is stealth capabilities
most combat fighter plains being flown today can out perform the human body (what we can withstand) so until technology finds away to protect the pilot from the forces a plain would put on it ... they all are good
most combat fighter plains being flown today can out perform the human body (what we can withstand) so until technology finds away to protect the pilot from the forces a plain would put on it ... they all are good
PICK3
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It's really not about the planes anymore ... it's about the electronic warfare equipment and how it's armed.
An F-15 could beat an F-14 in a straight dogfight, but if the F-15 went to attack a carrier group the F-14 would blow it out of the sky from miles away.
The F-14 has a more powerful forward looking radar and is typically armed with longer range missles.
An F-15 could beat an F-14 in a straight dogfight, but if the F-15 went to attack a carrier group the F-14 would blow it out of the sky from miles away.
The F-14 has a more powerful forward looking radar and is typically armed with longer range missles.
jnuts
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PICK3 said:
Close, but it's more about the system....
Think:
Tankers to keep the jets in the air. Lot's o' gas passed with in-flight refueling. If you can't do that, you will be hurting. Most peope really understimate this capability.
Maintenance - it's not easy keeping these things up in the air. Also having the parts to keep 'em going. The Russian's have some nice airplanes that can kick ass at airshows - but the engines are shot to shit in a short timeframe.
Airborne radar - think AWACS. GCI is nice, but it's one of the first things that goes away. Not too many countries have this capability. And none are better then the US. I've worked w/Brit and French AWACS. French just sucked, period. The Brits were good, but not used to dealing with a lot of A/C on freq at the same time.
Radars - When Digger was talking not a pound for air to ground, that really refers to the radar on the F-15. Much like the A-10 was built around the 30mm, the F-15 was designed with it's radar in mind. It's and awesome radar. It's showing it's age now, but it's still a great radar.
Training, Training, Training... if you don't fly at night - you will suck.
02gixxersix2
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The f-15 was the most dominant air power for a long time. Now it is the F-22 and there is a russian jet that from what I remember has thurster on the side of the ket that allow it to do snap rolls and such. However the F-22 can do mach speeds without afterburner so good luck cathcing it. With the F-22 and the B-2 in our arsenal no one can touch us. I believe the F-22 can skid and actually spin around because of the fact that the pilot can actually direct the thurst of the engine. That couypled with stealth capability make it unstoppable.
In-flight refueling changed the whole world, that is true. Back in the days of the B-29, they actually tried to build a fighter escort plane that could be carried by a bomber, because the couldn't figure out how to build a dogfighter with enough range to escore bombers all the way into Russia. So, take an F-86 and squish it until it looks like a hard-boiled egg with wings. It was called the Goblin, and after the first one couldn't hook back up with its mother ship (no landing gear... oops) the other one or two ended up in museums.
Let's see if there's a pic... ah, here's a site with some history and a paper model kit.
http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/AC/aircraft/McDonnell-F85/f-85.php
Hmm, they crashed more than one, it sounds like. They were using the B-29 as a mother ship for testing, but it was supposed to escort the B-36.
Heh, guess the old memory isn't shot yet.
Let's see if there's a pic... ah, here's a site with some history and a paper model kit.
http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/AC/aircraft/McDonnell-F85/f-85.php
Hmm, they crashed more than one, it sounds like. They were using the B-29 as a mother ship for testing, but it was supposed to escort the B-36.
Heh, guess the old memory isn't shot yet.
Y_lifter
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Mig 25 Foxbat is the fastest/highest/most manuverable Fighter interceptor
plane currently in service or historically even.
As far as potential capability over all others to kick ass, anything anywhere,anytime it is it 100% IMO the new F-22 Raptor
Due to one word, Stealth.
Add in
SuperCruise capability(No afterburner for supersonic needed), Awesome Radar and avionics(even better than the current leader the F14), a majority of its components being hot swappable from external access in minutes,
plane currently in service or historically even.
As far as potential capability over all others to kick ass, anything anywhere,anytime it is it 100% IMO the new F-22 Raptor
Due to one word, Stealth.
Add in
SuperCruise capability(No afterburner for supersonic needed), Awesome Radar and avionics(even better than the current leader the F14), a majority of its components being hot swappable from external access in minutes,
bullett
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The military channel did an hour long special on this a few months ago...
They rated the planes based on feedback from military pilots, and used numerical ratings in a few categories like, armament, service record (kills vs shot downs), flyability, etc...
The F-15 was the current champion, BUT....the F22 Raptor was unanamously recoginized as the King Kong of them all, just needs to be put into service...
They interviewed a few pilots flying the F22, and one said they put his plane up against 5 F-15's at once, and he killed them all, and the F-15 pilots said they never even saw him....
Must be one hella aircraft....
They rated the planes based on feedback from military pilots, and used numerical ratings in a few categories like, armament, service record (kills vs shot downs), flyability, etc...
The F-15 was the current champion, BUT....the F22 Raptor was unanamously recoginized as the King Kong of them all, just needs to be put into service...
They interviewed a few pilots flying the F22, and one said they put his plane up against 5 F-15's at once, and he killed them all, and the F-15 pilots said they never even saw him....
Must be one hella aircraft....
Y_lifter
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bullett said:
DONE
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-22-deploy.htm
The F-22A Raptor achieved Initial Operational Capability [IOC] on 15 December 2005. The first combat-ready Raptors were assigned to the 27th Fighter Squadron, one of three squadrons assigned to the 1st Fighter Wing. The 27th FS combat deployment capability with the F-22A is a 12-ship deployable package designed to execute air-to-air and air-to-ground missions.
At Eglin, Elmendorf, and Mountain Home alternative bases, the operational F-15Cs would be replaced with operational F-22s. At Tyndall AFB, all F-22s for the Operational Wing would be additive to the base since there are no operational F-15C aircraft to drawdown. The three operational F-22 squadrons at Tyndall AFB would be under a new, separate wing. Personnel changes to support the beddown would follow the same sequence as the aircraft beddown.
ViperHMS
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I used to love using the Phoenix missle when I was a kid playing flight sim games on the computer. I'd fire and forget those fokers and end my mission real quick. Such a great missle. I could be wrong, but I thought once I had read that those missles were aprox 1mil a pop.
obiwan9962
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okay
i've got a hardon now
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i've got a hardon now
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obiwan9962
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might want to consider better trained fighter pilotslandser said:
obiwan9962
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a stint in the usaf rotc gives me a wee edgelandser said:
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Apart from the fact that the F-4 was the USAF workhorse for many years, it was never really highly effective in ground attack roles, or as a fighter. It was slow, heavy and lacked sophisticated electronics. For instance, it had a difficult time going head to head with even the very old/unsophisticated mig-17 in Vietnam. Look at this aircrafts kill ratio, and its very poor. It seems the f-4 can perform many different roles, but can only perform each one to a satisfactory level at best. Im sure im going to get flamed for this, but I think the f-4 is definately not one of the best aircraft.
Well, considering it was a workhorse designed to perform many different roles and in a sense the first Joint aircraft, it did reasonably well in capable hands. Anytime you have a plane designed for multiple roles it will not be perfect in any one of them. Take for example the AV8B Harrier, it is a great ground support aircraft for Marines on the ground, as a bomber and as a moderate fighter. See where I am going with this?
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I agree,the german answer was the Ta152redguru said:
but it was too late same goes for the Me-262
The first Ta 152H prototypes were completed in the summer of 1944.
Several Fw 190C airframes were used in the project. The first Ta 152H-0 service test aircraft rolled off the assembly lines in October-November 1944. The Ta 152H-0s had no fuel tanks in their wings. They were joined a month later by the first production Ta 152H-1 aircraft, which had fuel tanks in the wings. The Ta 152H-1 was armed with one engine-mounted 30-mm MK 108 cannon with 90 rounds and two 20-mm MG 151 cannon in the wings with 175 rpg. 330 pounds of armor were carried for the protection of the engine and the pilot. Most production machines were delivered to Ta 152H-1/R11 bad-weather fighter standards. A MW 50 boost tank was fitted in the inboard port wing tank for use in enhancing low-altitude performance, with the GM 1 high-altitude boost tank aft of the cockpit being standard.
Approximately 150 Ta 1252H-1 fighters were manufactured between January 1, 1945 and the final abandoning of production with the arrival of Soviet forces at the Cottbus assembly plant. No Jagdgruppen ever completely converted to the type, but several Jagdstaffeln operated the Ta 152H alongside the Fw 190D and other types. Most of the Ta 152s operated in the close-support role. Others flew "top-cover" for bases from which Messerschmitt Me 262 jet fighters operated, trying to protect the jets from being "bounced" by Allied fighters during takeoff or landing. It was said that no British or American fighters risked attacking an Me 262 during landing while Ta 152s were known to be circling the airfield. The large wing area of the Ta 152 made it quite easy to fly. Most of the Ta 152Hs, however, were destroyed on the ground by Allied air attacks while awaiting delivery. A few Ta 152Hs were allocated to the Mistel program.
Near the end of 1944, Kurt Tank himself had a narrow escape while flying one of his Ta 152Hs. He was flying from Langenhagen near Hannover to attend a meeting at the Focke-Wulf plant in Cottbus. His plane carried armament, but no ammunition. Shortly after takeoff, he was jumped by four Mustangs. Tank pressed the button which activated his MW 50 boost, opened the throttle wide, and quickly left the Mustangs far behind in a cloud of blue smoke.
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"I was to set up a small unit to demonstrate that the Me 262 was the superior fighter that I had always claimed. A small unit only in Staffel strength was to be organized... I would have to find the aircraft myself... The unit would not be under the command of any division, corps or airfleet - I was to be totally independent."
Adolf Galland, 1945
"I admired Galland, not least because, having been unjustly 'fired' by Gцring, he didn't withdraw offended and moaning into some snail shell. Rather, he built up a flying unit, the size of a Staffel, went to the front and defended his country to the very last day. That was exemplary!"
Major Wolfgang SpĐ´te, Kommodore JG400
"I feel great satisfaction to have been able to participate on active duty during the last turbulent months of the war. The knowledge that I led the last fighter unit in the greatest of all wars will always be one of my cherished memories."
Adolf Galland, 1945
"...the story continues to reveal a general, fallen from grace, and a handful of pilots equipped with what was claimed to have been "the most modern fighter aircraft" of the time. This "crowd of exiles", together with a few pilots from JG 7, tried to prove this claim.
Unknown to them, this was also the beginning of a new era in aviation, and WE WERE THERE!"
Generalleutnant Walter Krupinski, Adjutant JV44, 1995
Adolf Galland, 1945
"I admired Galland, not least because, having been unjustly 'fired' by Gцring, he didn't withdraw offended and moaning into some snail shell. Rather, he built up a flying unit, the size of a Staffel, went to the front and defended his country to the very last day. That was exemplary!"
Major Wolfgang SpĐ´te, Kommodore JG400
"I feel great satisfaction to have been able to participate on active duty during the last turbulent months of the war. The knowledge that I led the last fighter unit in the greatest of all wars will always be one of my cherished memories."
Adolf Galland, 1945
"...the story continues to reveal a general, fallen from grace, and a handful of pilots equipped with what was claimed to have been "the most modern fighter aircraft" of the time. This "crowd of exiles", together with a few pilots from JG 7, tried to prove this claim.
Unknown to them, this was also the beginning of a new era in aviation, and WE WERE THERE!"
Generalleutnant Walter Krupinski, Adjutant JV44, 1995
redguru
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From Bud Anderson
I did see ME262s but was never in a position to shoot one down. The ME262 jet fighters were about 100 knots faster than the Mustang. However, if they tried to engage the P51 in a turning dogfight they would quickly lose the advantage as we could easily out turn the ME262. Our 357th Fighter Group shot down 17 ME262’s, the most in the 8th Air Force. Even if the ME262 had been used properly in combat operations it probably would not have effected the outcome of the war. We had so many fighters we could have waited for them to land at their home base.
I did see ME262s but was never in a position to shoot one down. The ME262 jet fighters were about 100 knots faster than the Mustang. However, if they tried to engage the P51 in a turning dogfight they would quickly lose the advantage as we could easily out turn the ME262. Our 357th Fighter Group shot down 17 ME262’s, the most in the 8th Air Force. Even if the ME262 had been used properly in combat operations it probably would not have effected the outcome of the war. We had so many fighters we could have waited for them to land at their home base.
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18 April - Catastrophe. Galland scrambled 6 pilots to meet an incoming US bomber formation. The runway still had some debris and small craters from bomb damage. Late in his takeoff roll Johannes Steinhoff's plane suffered an undercarriage failure likely caused by a punctured tire. Going too fast to stop and too slow to fly, Steinhoff knew he was in trouble. The plane lifted a few feet from the ground before smashing down and exploding. Incredibly, as the cockpit filled with flames and the R4M rockets began exploding, Steinhoff was able to free himself and scramble clear. He suffered severe disfiguring burns on his face and wrists. JV44 had lost an Eagle.
26 April saw JV44 scramble to attack a flight of B-26 Marauders. This was to be Galland's last mission of the war. Approaching a box of B-26s from the rear, Galland prepared to fire his R4M rockets. Return fire from the bombers was intense and probably distracted him enough that he failed to arm the rockets. When they didn't fire he quickly opened up with the 30mm cannon and a Marauder promptly exploded in front of him. Switching to another bomber in the group he proceeded to inflict heavy damage to it. Rolling his 262 to asses the damage he had inflicted, his plane took more 50 calibre hits from the defending gunners. Damaged, Galland dove his jet away from the formation. Suddenly he felt it shudder - an escorting P-47 had followed him in his dive and was riddling his plane with bullets. His engines and instrument panel had been hit and fragments from a shell had hit Galland's right knee. Although badly damaged miraculously the plane kept flying. Fearing being shot while parachuting, Galland decided to make for MŃŚnchen-Riem. Just as he landed he was forced to dive from the 262 to avoid a band of strafing Allied planes. Although Galland remained in overall command, Heinz BĐ´r took over operational command.
26 April saw JV44 scramble to attack a flight of B-26 Marauders. This was to be Galland's last mission of the war. Approaching a box of B-26s from the rear, Galland prepared to fire his R4M rockets. Return fire from the bombers was intense and probably distracted him enough that he failed to arm the rockets. When they didn't fire he quickly opened up with the 30mm cannon and a Marauder promptly exploded in front of him. Switching to another bomber in the group he proceeded to inflict heavy damage to it. Rolling his 262 to asses the damage he had inflicted, his plane took more 50 calibre hits from the defending gunners. Damaged, Galland dove his jet away from the formation. Suddenly he felt it shudder - an escorting P-47 had followed him in his dive and was riddling his plane with bullets. His engines and instrument panel had been hit and fragments from a shell had hit Galland's right knee. Although badly damaged miraculously the plane kept flying. Fearing being shot while parachuting, Galland decided to make for MŃŚnchen-Riem. Just as he landed he was forced to dive from the 262 to avoid a band of strafing Allied planes. Although Galland remained in overall command, Heinz BĐ´r took over operational command.
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indeed they shot them as they parachutedredguru said:
1000 victories between 5 aces
JV 44 was the shorthand name for Jagdverband 44, a fighter unit also known as "Der Galland Zirkus" (The Galland Circus). The commander of JV 44 was General Adolf Galland (103 victories).
A special fighter squadron of top fighter ace pilots in the Luftwaffe during the last weeks of World War II, equipped with Messerschmitt Me-262 jet fighters. The flying personnel in the squadron were known as "Experten". By far the most elite fighter squadron in history, if measured by the accumulated victories of its pilots, JV 44 (literally translated, means "hunter group") was established in 1945 as a jet fighter squadron of top aces. The total victory count of just the sqadron's top five aces is more than 1000 victories.
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bud managed 16 victories
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I agree,germany lost the war at stalingrad,they lost thier chance to win at moscow dec'41redguru said:
as for the orginal argument
I'm not so impressed with these modern era USAF craft as there is no competition.period
there are no fights
Walter Krupinski, known as "Graf Punski" or "Count Punski" in the Jagdwaffe (fighter-pursuit force), was a swashbuckling fly-boy with a phenomenal record of 197 aerial victories. Krupinski not only never lost a wingman, but also had the ability to help beginners develop to their fullest potential. He joined the Luftwaffe in 1939 as a student in the 11th Flying Training Regiment. He first served with the Jagderganzungsgruppe JG 52, a combat replacement unit, flying the Messerschmitt Me 109, in October 1940. By the end of 1941, he had earned the Iron Cross 1st class after his seventh victory and was awarded the German Cross in Gold and the Knight's Cross one year later after scoring over 53 aerial victories. Krupinski taught the aerial art of closing with the enemy aircraft until "it filled the windscreen" before firing. It was during this time that the young Erich Hartmann was assigned as Krupinski's wingman. The young and overly enthusiastic Hartmann was seriously struggling in his first attempts at aerial combat, resulting in severe reprimands by the group commander. However, under Krupinski's expert tutelage, Hartmann mastered the art of aerial combat and went on to become the world's top-scoring fighter pilot with 352 victories. While still a first lieutenant, Krupinski was selected as Squadron Commander of 7./JG 52 in the spring 1943. On 5 July of the same year, he scored victories 80 to 90--11 in one day!
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MobyGames Auto-Generated Summary *:redguru said:
Walter Krupinski was credited on a game in 1991. His career probably spans more years than those displayed since these dates are based on the credits documented in MobyGames (which are incomplete). Walter Krupinski has been credited with the roles Box & Content. Walter Krupinski has been credited on games developed by the following companies: LucasArts. This does not imply employment by these companies.
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850 aerial combats!
Erich Hartmann is the highest scoring air ace in history.
I doubt if his tally will ever be beaten.
He worried the communist Russians so much, they (Stalin) offered a 50,000 rouble reward on him.
But this didn't stop Hartmann who continued to notch up his air wins.
Victories: 352 total, seven P-51s over Rumania( Ploesti), all others Eastern Front.
Sorties: 1,400 total, 850 aerial combats
Shot Down: 16 times.
He flew a Messerschmitt Me109 fighter.
His arial victories are confirmed.
You can get more information about his life and war time experiences at:
http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/WW2History-ErichHartmann.html
Hartmann shot down the equivalent of almost 15 Allied squadrons in aerial combat.
Surrendering to the Americans at Pisek at the close of the war in 1945 , Hartmann was turned over to the Russians by the U.S. authorities. Once the Soviets realized who they had as a prisoner, he was singled out for especially brutal treatment, including long periods of solitary confinement in total darkness. Using every persuasive device known, the Russians could not convert Hartmann to Communism, and get him to work for the Soviet airforce.
After a mock-up war-crime trial Hartmann was held in prison for ten years, far longer than the other POW's.
Illegally detained, it was only after Chancellor Adenauer of W. Germany personally visited Moscow in 1955 and arranged for his release that a gaunt and haggard Erich Hartmann was released by his captors, broken in body but not in spirit.
Hartmann regained his health and joined the new West German Air Force in 1959, becoming Kommodore of JG 71, the new Richthofen Geschwader based at Fliegerhorst Ahlhorn in Oldenberg. JG 71 was the first of the new Geschwadern formed by the Federal Republic's air force.
Hartmann is quoted as saying:
Of all my accomplishments I may have achieved during the war, I am proudest of the fact that I never lost a wingman
http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/WW2History-ErichHartmann.html
Erich Hartmann is the highest scoring air ace in history.
I doubt if his tally will ever be beaten.
He worried the communist Russians so much, they (Stalin) offered a 50,000 rouble reward on him.
But this didn't stop Hartmann who continued to notch up his air wins.
Victories: 352 total, seven P-51s over Rumania( Ploesti), all others Eastern Front.
Sorties: 1,400 total, 850 aerial combats
Shot Down: 16 times.
He flew a Messerschmitt Me109 fighter.
His arial victories are confirmed.
You can get more information about his life and war time experiences at:
http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/WW2History-ErichHartmann.html
Hartmann shot down the equivalent of almost 15 Allied squadrons in aerial combat.
Surrendering to the Americans at Pisek at the close of the war in 1945 , Hartmann was turned over to the Russians by the U.S. authorities. Once the Soviets realized who they had as a prisoner, he was singled out for especially brutal treatment, including long periods of solitary confinement in total darkness. Using every persuasive device known, the Russians could not convert Hartmann to Communism, and get him to work for the Soviet airforce.
After a mock-up war-crime trial Hartmann was held in prison for ten years, far longer than the other POW's.
Illegally detained, it was only after Chancellor Adenauer of W. Germany personally visited Moscow in 1955 and arranged for his release that a gaunt and haggard Erich Hartmann was released by his captors, broken in body but not in spirit.
Hartmann regained his health and joined the new West German Air Force in 1959, becoming Kommodore of JG 71, the new Richthofen Geschwader based at Fliegerhorst Ahlhorn in Oldenberg. JG 71 was the first of the new Geschwadern formed by the Federal Republic's air force.
Hartmann is quoted as saying:
Of all my accomplishments I may have achieved during the war, I am proudest of the fact that I never lost a wingman
http://www.virtualpilots.fi/hist/WW2History-ErichHartmann.html
redguru
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The only way I see a major aerial dogfight in the near future is if China comes across the Strait of Formosa. Taipei has thier Indiginous Defense Fighter up and a slew of F16's. I did qualification testing and technology transfer on parts of the Tien-Chien (Sky-Sword) II missile which is the primary air-to-air missile for the IDF
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Hans Joachim Marseille (158 kills)
In one combat mission Marseille attacked a formation of 16 P-40s all by himself and had shot down 6 P-40s after 11 minutes by the time he had to return to base because of low fuel and ammunition. this was only one of numerous occasions where Marseille used his expert flying. Marseilles life was sadly cut short on a fighter sweep over British territory. As his flight was returning to base his engine caught fire and had to bail, as he did he was hit in the chest by the rudder of his Bf-109. on his grave his comrades put wrote his name and rank, and put one word undefeated
In one combat mission Marseille attacked a formation of 16 P-40s all by himself and had shot down 6 P-40s after 11 minutes by the time he had to return to base because of low fuel and ammunition. this was only one of numerous occasions where Marseille used his expert flying. Marseilles life was sadly cut short on a fighter sweep over British territory. As his flight was returning to base his engine caught fire and had to bail, as he did he was hit in the chest by the rudder of his Bf-109. on his grave his comrades put wrote his name and rank, and put one word undefeated
