Femera/letro for progesterone gyno

[macrophage69alpha]

in truth most cycles were test, dbol and deca.

while drol, winnie and var were in use, there use was not as prevalent as now

 

[Big Rick Rock]

trenbolone
t-bol
EQ- pretty much since 50mg/ml was all that was around

in truth most cycles were test, dbol and deca.

while drol, winnie and var were in use, there use was not as prevalent as now

None of those sound like "newer drugs" They are the same old steroids. Maybe they are being used in higher dosages? I don't know if dosages have changed much. I mean Anadrol has always come in 50mg caps since the begining. There were guys taking 2-3 Caps of Anadrol50 per day.

Trenbolone has been in use for many years. I remember when Animal was selling the conversion kits and people were making Tren Ace in their kitchens (9yrs(?) after Negma discontinued "Parabolan"(Tren H) ). The kits came around at least a couple of years before Arimidex became widely used by BBers... I don't remember a lot of guys reporting Gyno or water rentention from using Tren. At least not to the degree of say Anadrol. Most guys who were having a hard time due to progesterone side effects where using a little Winny to help out.

I guess my point is that I don't understand why we suddenly have to have these new Anti-e/p... All of the Anchilaries you and Mr.X mention in your posts(mostly being used by BBer over the last 4yrs) are substances meant to fight side effects from drugs that have been around since the 1960's... So we have 40yrs(at least) of use without Anti-E/Ps. 40yrs of Steroid use where BBers, pro and amateur alike have been using the same Steroids we use today without using Aromasin or Letrozole. That whole time there have been many Pro BBers who have stayed on gear year-round.

When I first got started on EF (2000) there was nothing else but Nolvadex, Proviron and Masterone to fight Estrogen. Winny if you where prone to Progesterone sides and Clomid, HCG for PCT... Guys were doing just fine with what we had, we were building monsters and we had IFBB competitions every year. Why now do we have this emergency need for Anti-Es where we have to have this new shit to put in/on our bodies?

I just don't see how the Steroids we used have changed so much, that we would need new drugs to fight the same side effects.



-BRR

 

[Ulter]

Well BRR as someone who was there I can tell you that just because we didn't use anti-e's 20 years ago doesn't mean we didn't need them. Most people blew up like balloons, got bloody noses when they trained, and grew tits at an alarming rate. I agree that the streroids are still steroids. But we can now use them, more of them, and be much safer doing it because of AI's and other ancillaries.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

in reality very few people were using compounds other than test, dbol and deca. Only in the last maybe 5-6 years has there been an explosion in the availability of these other drugs. sure they were used previously, just not commonly. And there were a lot more fakes than real stuff.

the chinese and russians (to a lesser extent) changed all this.

though as ulter mentioned these issues have always been around, they are just talked about openly now. (anonymity provides great freedom of information)

 

[mendo]

Most people blew up like balloons, got bloody noses when they trained, and grew tits at an alarming rate. I agree that the streroids are still steroids. But we can now use them, more of them, and be much safer doing it because of AI's and other ancillaries.

How does an AI prevent bloody noses? I thought estrogens made blood pressure less of a problem, as well as lowering cholesterol/lipids.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

How does an AI prevent bloody noses? I thought estrogens made blood pressure less of a problem, as well as lowering cholesterol/lipids.

no on the first, yes on the second.

 

[mendo]

no on the first, yes on the second.

So elevated estrogen during a cycle is a contributing factor in the high blood pressure a lot of us get? How much does a medium strength AI like Aromasin/AIFM help with BP?

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Well BRR as someone who was there I can tell you that just because we didn't use anti-e's 20 years ago doesn't mean we didn't need them. Most people blew up like balloons, got bloody noses when they trained, and grew tits at an alarming rate. I agree that the streroids are still steroids. But we can now use them, more of them, and be much safer doing it because of AI's and other ancillaries.

As somebody who has been there, how wide spread would you say these problems were?
Seems like Steroids have always had a small cult following. If a major part of that group was having these side effects. I don't see anabolic use having been continued thru the decades the way it has.

Going into the 80's steroids where really popular, and even after they became criminalized in 1991, people continued taking them at the risk of being arrested. People still wanted them that bad... I don't think the number of people affected was large enough to make an impact, do you?

If we go 10yrs back from your twenty. @ the 1976 Mr.O There were already some big mofos competing for the Olympia every year. Some of those guys where already ON year round...

http://www.bodybuildbid.com/articles/mrolympia/olympgal.html

For every guy on that page there were already Millions of others taking Juice.




-BRR

 

[macrophage69alpha]

not really, you perceptions of the steroid culture of the 70's and 80's is not accurate. There were pockets of bodybuilding users and pro-athletes. Steroid use is significantly greater now than its ever been. The internet really revolutionized and expanded the steroid culture.

and yes, side effects were quite common among those that did use. they were just considered a reasonable cost.

 

[bdavester]

So what's the most common dosage of letro used to avoid gyno/bloat, io stay on the safe side ? How much do you use to cure gyno ?