Female on cycle

[Onebadmofo]

My gf has been working out for over a year. She's 5'11" 138lbs, body fat approx 16%. Just this last month she went on a clenbutural cycle (2wks on 2wks off, and on the off weeks she used Xenadrine). She got good results, however, she wants to bump it up a notch ... maybe run some T3 or something similar.
Can someone on here please recommend a serious fat burning muscle toning cycle that will help her get in great shape? Thanks in advance!

 

[takniteasy]

Umm...5'11" and 138 lbs.? Isn't that a little underweight? Can you post her diet and an example of her workout?

 

[Daeo]

What's with all the people asking about T3 lately???

Umm...5'11" and 138 lbs.? Isn't that a little underweight? Can you post her diet and an example of her workout?

I'd advise you not to give your girl T3 just yet. 5'11" at 138lbs is a bit on the light side to be using T3. If she had success with clen before why not use it again. Also is she looking to use any kind of anabolics? I personally don't consider a year long enough to justify using anabolic steroids just yet...

 

[ann]

No kidding...are you sure the height is right? At that height, she would be rail thin at 138 pds !

Was posting the same time as Daeo....

 

[Daeo]

No kidding...are you sure the height is right? At that height, she would be rail thin at 138 pds !

Was posting the same time as Daeo....

LOL. I think she needs to go on a SEEFOOD diet...

ps...We're not trying to jump all over you Onebadmofo. But we've all been around the block a few times and can tell when someone should or shouldn't be doing something. In my opinon she should concentrate on her diet and workout routine first before heading to more "serious" drugs...

 

[new@gettinbig]

T3 is the last thing your girl needs!!!! 138 for 5'8 is quite low..I am 5'10 and weigh 158! She would see a drop in bodyfat with the more lean muscle she gets on her bod...how does she do this?? Not by clen or T3...By eating 6 times a day..CLEAN..and lifting heavy as hell! WHat is her diet like now? Do a search on T3 been talked about several times and it is not a good solution for your girl at all...The more she lifts and if she eats a clean diet, she will notice a decrease in her bodyfat.which is the important thing..not her weight..Keep her away from the fatburners and the cardio room..and keep her where the IRON is

 

[Onebadmofo]

What would be a good androbolic cycle for my gf. She wants to cut some body fat (butt/thighs) and get definition. If t3/clen is not a good way to go, can someone please suggest a good cycle. She wants something that she will 'feel' (mental edge). Thanks for your help!

 

[Debu]

Never taken any before, but from what I have read, anavar might be worth a try AFTER she has truely hit it hard with her nutrition and weight training. She's only been at it for a year though, that may not be enough time to make mistakes and learn from it.

 

[Onebadmofo]

She's 21, and she has been working out off and on since she was 18 (solid for a year). She's just having trouble losing that last bit of fat on her butt/thighs ... not only that, she wants better definition and something to give her the mental edge. Would anavar accomplish this? If so, what is the best way to use it?

* I don't want to put her on something that will make her look like a man =)

 

[Sassy69]

She is young to be getting into cycles if she is not interested in competing. Additionally she doesn't sound like she has the training & diet part down enough to make the whole thing worth the money. She does need to understand that the fat around hips & thighs tends to be estrogen-related and is hard to get rid of. Anavar will not make her look like a man but it will make her hard and build up some muscle. It isn't a "fat reducer". Frankly she could even experience some bloat from it and be even more frustrated - as she seems to be looking for a "quick fix".

I think she will get much out of an adjustment to her diet & training. This will be better for her in the long run. And as the other girls said, Her height and weight make her sound like she is probably on the thin side anyway - if she builds her muscle up, the body fat will decrease.

Can u post her diet & training regimen? This will give a place to start.

 

[new@gettinbig]

Taking a cycle is not going to give her a mental edge..and all women battle the same thing she is going through with where she is carrying her fat...Taking a cycle isn't going to automatically change all that..I would seriously look into her diet first...changes in that alone can make a big difference...she may be eating the wrong kinds of food and not even know it...It takes a while to get the diet thing down for everyone..you have to play with it a bit and see what works for you..like sassy said post a sample of what she is eating now.

 

[Onebadmofo]

First, thanks for all your help. Second, I'm not sure if steroids are ever a good idea. However, when someone has their mind made up, it's pretty difficult to convince them otherwise. Let me put it this way ... she's is going to do some kind of cycle and I want your help on what to choose that will be the "safest" and most beneficial. Excuse my ignorance when it comes to women's physiology, but Sassy suggested that the fat around her thighs/butt is estrogen related ... would it be stupid to think that taking some kind of anti-estrogen supplement would be beneficial? Or would that just screw her hormones up? I think she is going to try something like anavar/yohimburn combo, but im not sure. Could you please recommend doses and procedure for a cycle.... She understands the risk but her mind is made, please help.

 

[_mo23]

I am not recommending that she take anything, but if your dead set, I'd go with anavar. That is what I am doing now. I started out at 5mg a day, then bumped it up to 10. I worked really hard to get as far as I could without taking anything. I have also taken t3, and hated it. Thats just me. I did lose fat, but I swear I lost a lot of muscle too. I would try to get her to listen to what the other girls said, they are more experienced than me, and their advice has helped me a lot! Hope this helped you.

 

[takniteasy]

Try the yohimburn for about 4-6 weeks first. I did and got pretty good results. I totally agree with lifting heavy and eating clean for decreasing BF. However, for estrogenic (female?) fat the yohimbine HCl seems to work, both orally and topically.

Just my .02

 

[Sassy69]

I'm confused -- if she has her mind made up to do a cycle, does she know why?? From your posts there seems to be either a lot of misinformation or simply no understanding of what "a cycle" is. It won't add a mental edge - if anything she may experience heightened anxiety or extra stress - though not what I'd call "roid rage", several of the girls who have done cycles noted that they were extra "testy". Perhaps some of the ladies can chime in w/ details on this...

If the goal is to lose more bodyfat in her hips and thights, first of all, no such thing as spot reduction (excluding the claimed slight locational reduction from Yohimbine / Yohimbine products). So any bodyfat reduction will come at a rate proportional to the fat deposits around her body. She is 16% bf now and I still note that her weight is kinda low for her height. Is the purpose to have a "model" look? If her body fat drops around 12%, this generally borders on approaching competition bodyfat levels - not so sure how healthy those levels are to maintain. Esp. at her age. The issue is that at levels around 12% and lower, some women lose their period and then all the issues around decreased calcium and potential pre-osteoporosis come into play. (Note that these are extreme cases - but I am trying to illustrate the difference between a "perceived look" and the potential costs of trying to achieve this.)

Also keep in mind the potential for bloating, acne, etc. from a cycle. Especially if she is not lifting or dieting consistently. The whole purpose may backfire.

If she can clearly explain why a cycle will be the appropriate approach, then consider it. If not, then I strongly suggest doing ALOT more research, consider a different route to the goal, or change the goal. Just because she has access to AS and maybe sees you doing it or hears about it, does not mean that "self prescribing" is the right thing to do.

As with anyone, this is her decision to make, but there are better, less invasive ways of achieving goals that will last longer and have more controllable results and side effects.

I'm not trying to come across as a hard ass or anything, I just highly value understanding what is going on w/ AS and also the body chemistry that is involved. A quick fix doesn't necessarily work out the way you expect so you are better of educating yourself before diving in. Ultimately it will be her decision what she puts into her body, and her results and consequences. Even if she does decide to do it, she really should have a clue about diet & training required to get good results. Can you post what she is doing now perhaps we can help there with some suggestions she might be willing to try before committing to a cycle.

 

[Onebadmofo]

*** I attached an email from my gf below, these are her questions:

I work out 5-6 times a week. I do my upper body workout mondays, wed, and fridays and lower body tues, thurs, and sat. I do cardio for 30-45 minutes every day.
I use both free weights and machines. My diet should be a lot better, and i know that. I am not hungry very often, so I dont eat as much as I need to. My goal is to lose bodyfat and increase my muscle tone. Previous methods have taken me a long way, however, I feel i have reached a plateau, and need help.

 

[Sassy69]

How heavy does she lift? Cardio every day can be catabolic. Diet is the most important of all of it. TRUST ME - I did 2 competitions all natural with nothing stronger than a Ripped Fuel on training days. I dropped from 16% bf to 8% bf in 14 weeks by training hard, adding in cardio on an empty stomach in the morning and by watching my diet - I cycled hi and low carb days with my workout schedule and as the competition approached I started cutting my total caloric intake a little (prob too much in my opinion). But it worked w/o AS.

You've stated that your diet needs to be a lot better and you don't eat enough. Even anorexic people can have higher body fat than you'd think - its called "skinny fat". Ya gotta EAT! Adding in AS isn't gonna help with that if you aren't eating enough to pound thru the workout you will have the strength to do. The experienced girls can probably add more, but bottom line is that if your diet isn't where it should be, even training harder isn't really going to get you results. Eating bad is like giving your car a complete tune up and then throwing mud in the gas tank.

Give us a sample of your diet and let's see what we can do with this....!

 

[new@gettinbig]

Why is she training lower body 3 times a week?? She could be OVER doing that a little...I hit legs 1 x a week..and they are sore for at least 2-3 days..she needs to train HEAVY..she will NOT get big...She should split up her bodyparts and train them 1 x a week..chest/back, legs, arms/shoulders...or you can do chest/tris, back/bis, legs, shoulders....however she wants to do it..DIET is #1 when it comes down to it..no way around it...you cant eat a few times a day here and there and expect any kind of results at all..your body needs food...the less she eats she is actually doing more harm then good...5-6 meals EVERYDAY..consistently!

Plan, prepare and do it ahead of time...make your meals the night before or on the weekends...you gotta eat every few hours..If her diet is off..then her training is going to be doing her no good whatsoever..she midas well not train...how can muscle grow when it has no food to go on????? It is pretty simple and basic and if she cant even eat a basic clean diet right now on her own..then using AS is way out of the question..all these things should be in order way before consideration of using anything...and if she does do a cycle she will be wasting her money cause she will have absolutely no gains if her diet and training is not there....

1 yr is not that long to be training...and if she is serious then she needs to get serious about her diet first..do that for a year or 2 and then see where that takes her body..doing it half ass and then wanting to take drugs to make up the difference is not going to cut it sorry!!!

 

[manny78]

My gf has been working out for over a year. She's 5'11" 138lbs, body fat approx 16%. Just this last month she went on a clenbutural cycle (2wks on 2wks off, and on the off weeks she used Xenadrine). She got good results, however, she wants to bump it up a notch ... maybe run some T3 or something similar.
Can someone on here please recommend a serious fat burning muscle toning cycle that will help her get in great shape? Thanks in advance!

5'11" and 138 lbs ? whats the prob ? WHy are you looking to put her on T3 ? there's no wieght to lose. Let's say many girls would wish to be 5'11 and 138 lbs, consider yourself lucky

 

[Onebadmofo]

Thanks so much for all the intelligent responses ... there is obviously much knowledge on this board. I take it that the reason she has hit a plateau is due to her lack of proper diet.
I want to help her out with her diet, however, I only know what's good for men... I'm not sure if the same applies to women. How much protein should she eat a day? How much water should she drink? What sort of foods would be beneficial? Thanks everyone for working with us here, your help is much appreciated!

 

[new@gettinbig]

Whats good for men..is good for women Just basic stuff..chicken, turkey breasts, lean red meat, tuna, fish, egg whites, cottage cheese...oatmeal, yams, rice, veggies etc..1-1.5 grams of protein per lb...I would have her take in at least 150-200 grams per day...she can rotate her carbs...high on days she trains and low on days she doesn't train..she should drink 1-1.5 gallons of water a day..leave out the junk food..breads..pastas..simple sugars..processed foods..make your own meals..that way you know what is in them..she should take in 20-30 grams of good fats..like olive oil, flax oil, natural peanutbutter...mix flax w/ your shakes if you dont like the taste..or put it on your veggies..6 meals a day...I would keep her away from cardio and just focus on heavy training and eating clean.she will see some nice lean muscle gain and loss of bodyfat as well.

 

[Sassy69]

Good stuff new@! The answers are pretty straight forward to getting results from dieting & training. The hard part is applying it consistently and being patient.

You mentioned she's doing 3 days upper body, 3 days lower body. How about try a more targeted schedule, i.e.

Day 1: Back & Bis
Day 2: Legs
Day 3: Off
Day 4: Chest & Tris
Day 5: Shoulders & calves, abs
Day 6: Cardio
Day 7: repeat

Or something like that -- break the workout into major muscle groups and keep the cardio down to maybe 1-2 days/ week. She really probably doesn't even need it right now.

She could probably just follow your schedule...

Even a change in training schedule could spark some results - its good to change up every 6-8 weeks so the body doesn't get "comfortable" to the routine.

I would challenge her to try that for 3 weeks and see how she feels and how the results are before getting panicky about doing something drastic or lookign for a quick fix in the form of a pill.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Waaaaaaaaaay too much cardio!

What she THINKS she wants to accomplish and what she ACTUALLY wants to accomplish are TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS.

Case in point - my ex training partner. She was strong as a horse (for a woman who NEVER ate and threw up most of what she DID eat.... she once told me that the only thing she would NOT throw up was a protein bar because SHE KNEW that those were good for her... yea, I was in that hell along with her - not saying that YOUR GIRL IS) - lifted and cardioed like a mo-fo, had like ZERO percent bodyfat (really) - she was ripped to shreds!... geeze, she made Ethiopians look FAT... but STILL was not satisfied with the fact that her ass would "hang".... what ass she had, that is.

Anyways... what your girl REALLY wants is TO ADD MASS... this way her metabolism will be faster, thus burning MORE BODYFAT - and VIOLA - less flab and fat on her butt and thighs... more definition - PERIOD!

This can be accomplished WITHOUT A/S... A/S IS NOT MAGIC and she will be poorer and NOT BE SATISFIED with the results.... if she DOES NOT EAT BETTER and/or ENOUGH and does TOO MUCH CARDIO the A/S (regardless of what type it is) WILL NOT DO A DAMNED THING!

SHE NEEDS TO:

A) EAT BETTER AND MORE

B) CUT THE CARDIO

C) DEVELOP BETTER TRAINING HABITS... overtraining is counterproductive.