My partner and I used Fina for the first time on our last cycle, and I think it caused us both more side effects than any other gear I've ever used. We both felt the same--not flu-like, but just tired and unmotivated. I mean we would tear up the gym, but wouldn't want to do anthing else all day! Just train, eat, and sleep, which is GREAT for bulikng, but sucks when you have to drag your ass to work and all too!!! I also had mood problems, not the aggression that I feel when on dbol, but just a lack of tolerance. My mood was alot darker and more serious than usual too, which is great when training, but not so great in the rest of life, where even the girl at the deli counter tells you that you look "SO SERIOUS."