Fat Loss Haulted...is it Possible?

[PowerPrincess]

Hey Ladies....

I'm a 20 year female, following a ketogenic diet.
Additionally, I use clen followed by a week off with an ECA stack.
I go to the gym and life 3-4 times a week and do cardio for 20 min p/day (intense intervals) 6-7 days a week.

I've been real strict on the keto diet except for on my carb up day and even for that I only carb up for one meal....i'll have brownie with fudge and icecream and after that cheat up meal, i'm perfect again for the entire week. However, for some reason I feel as if I am not losing body fat fat enough (and i'm not talking about overnight ).

Has anyone ever experienced this? Have any ideas to speed this fat loss process up without going into overtraining???

I really could use some advice and support with this ongoing self-revitalization process.



Thanks LADIES and Gents!
Truly.

 

[tripleV]

well i would increase the cardio gruadually to reach 60 mintues. Are you doing your cardio in the moring? and on an empty stomach?
Also, are you hitting those weights, need to do that too girl.
Are you getting enough calories with the keto diet. I couldn't last on that thing!

 

[new@gettinbig]

I hate keto diets!!! But that is my opinion I would make sure your training is solid and intense and I would up your cardio as well. I think a diet w/ a few low and high carb days can work really well. You need veggies in a diet...so good for you and it does help when dieting as well..Keto is so full of high fats!!!! And it is not realistic for long term daily life....at least not for me. Diets take a while to get down and really get to know your body and what is going to work for you. have you tried any other types of diets??? on your carb up days y are you eating junk????? You need good COMPEX carbs not simple sugars!!!! Oatmeal, rice, sweet potatos, etc....Your body needs these things, it doesnt however need icecream and cake????

 

[PowerPrincess]

Yes, I have tried other diets,..the Eas program worked well for me until I hit a plateu after a while and even when i maxed it out harder and harder with weights and longer and more intense cardio i just remained at tje same spot.

I've done more carbs (complex) in the morning, oatmeal and such and personally I have found that fruit and sugars and any types of carbs simple or complex completely work against my body. Anytime I eat them....i see body fat sore up immediately....it could be because i have diabetes in my family and i knwo that my mother has a problem with High sugar levels...however, I am unsure if i have that same problem.

Write back )))

 

[new@gettinbig]

Try going 3 days low..like only getting carbs from veggies and maybe a 1/2 piece of grapefruit in the A.M. and that is it as far as carbs go...then on your high day eat oatmeal, rice, yams, etc........and see how it goes.....you are probably just really carb sensitive....but the longer you leave carbs out of your diet...keto etc...it will become harder and harder to reintroduce them to your body...and you cant go all your life w/out carbs......not fun!!! slowly adding them and trying out a few things will really help you in the long run...........

 

[MS]

If you stick with the keto diet you need to seriously reconsider your carbup. You need to get the fat out of your carb meals, especially if type II diabetes runs in your family. You also need more than one carb meal. You need at least a day of high carb low fat to stimulate leptin and restart your metabolism. One meal high in fat and carbs will only screw up your metabolism.

You also should think about using glucose disposal agents for you carbup (such as ALA).

 

[PowerPrincess]

GLucose disposal agent??? ALA???? What is it, where do you get it and more specifically...what is it's main function????

PLease be specific because no one has ever informed me of such an idea/product....

THANKS GUYS

You're amazing!!!

 

[MS]

Glucose disposal agents are anything that either increases insulin sensitivity or assists with insulin independant glucose shuttling into your cells. Another one (glucophage) also reduces carb uptake and gluconeogenesis in the liver. Some people actually use insulin, but I wouldn't recommned this. Glucose disposal agents should be an essential part of a low carb diet when you have your carb up because short term high fat diets reduce insulin sensitivity. This is even more true if you are borderline type II diabetic, or have reduced glucose tolerance. ALA stands for alpha lipoic acid, and 200mg 3xday is a good starting dose. Take with each high carb meal and continue taking until you re-enter ketosis after your last carb meal. But you really REALLY should keep the fat intake low on your carb meals, and eat high carbs for at least a day. The positive benefits to your metabolism will far outweigh any short term setback or bloating you may experience.

 

[sww]

PowerP,

What's your body fat? or weight? And height?

thanks, sww

 

[PowerPrincess]

what kind of yummy high carbs have low fats that i can actually enjoy on my carb up day????

My height 5'3" (just making it), weight 136lbs, and body fat around 27%

I've lost 8lbs since i've started the ketogenic diet maybe 3 weeks ago

 

[flex4life]

Princess,
new & MS are right on w/ the carbs for carb day- must be low fat & not simple sugary carbs...I tried it the wrong way too- didn't want oatmeal, yams, etc on carb day... I wanted sweets! lousy results- keto (high fat) is not for me.

if you're set on staying w/ the keto diet, maybe see Mr. X sticky post on diet board for keto variations
just a thought...

 

[LUVS2JUICE]

I love you powerprincess....MUAH

 

[cockdezl]

This is an occurance that occurs in all diets. There is a compensatory decrease in T4-T3 conversion, which is a protective mechanism to combat muscle catabolism. The body knows that it is in a subcaloric mode, so in order to prevent itself from using its precious muscle stores, it decreases metabolic rate.

Duchaine mentioned this many times when he began delving into diets. His recommendations: 1.) take Cytomel to replace the missing T3. Unfortunately, it increases protein utilization and muscle loss. Or 2.) quit the diet for 1-2 weeks and eat just above maintanance to restore metabolic rate, without gaining back lost fat, then go back on the diet.

If you choose the latter, since you are on a keto diet, I would not advise you to switch back to a high carb diet, but a Zone type diet using high omega-3 oils for your fat source. This will help prevent the fat accrual that so often occurs when people switch from low carb diets back to high carb ones.

 

[wilson6]

I talked to a female BB preparing for a show that used a 2-d low carb and 3-d high carb diet. She took 50 mg/EOD of Winny-V and 10-15 mg/d of oxandrolone for 8 weeks prior to the show. Before that, 10 weeks of 300 mg/wk of test and 100 mg/deca for size. Low doses of thermogenics (EPH/CAF) only. No T-3, clen, GH, DNP. Nothing else. Fast walking was her only cardio (45 min/d). A week out she was ripped, I mean ripped. Looked like a road map.

She had a couple of desserts per week up until the last week of the show. A section of cherry pie filling on leg days and ice cream with choc. topping on Sat. night. Because of this she did not have the urge to cheat and stayed on her diet, unlike prior years when she cheated all the time because the diet was too strict.

In my opinion, 2-d low and 3-d high is the key with a small dessert or two a week. This you give you a pump and vasularity like you've never seen. It maintains the energy to lift heavy which preserves muscle, it keeps the metabolism up and fat loss going, and keeps one sane and able to function at home and at work up until the show.

cockd, MS and New@ are correct regarding diet and T-3.

There is a way to get ripped and stay sane, but most just can't handle it because they are stuck in old-world methods that won't die and because of it they suffer mentally and physically then rely on drugs rather than common sense to finish their physique.

Another note on T-3, after several weeks of T-3, the negative nitrogen balance resolves, but the increased metabolism persists. There was a study done on men a few years ago that addressed this. The protein catabolism is short-lived (a few weeks), but the increase in metabolism is not.

W6