Fat cell killers Yes / No - which is best?

[supreme]

Bro's

Been stuck with some fatty deposits that won't go away or will only go down with really low BF and super strict diet. so I just want to kill them once and for all.

so as far an injectable fat cel killers which is best? Has least sides?:

Pgf2a

Pgcl

Helios

Injectable L-carnitine

*** Does anyone even use Pgf2a anymore??

Note Fat deposits are the outer edges of chest and sides of waist. I know for some of these you should not inject near the abdomen.

Thanks!

S

 

[supreme]

Bumping it up - come on I know some vets have had to try the injectable site fat loss products at least once....

 

[the.gladiator1987]

never heard of this shit! i wanna try it im stuck at 10%

 

[hurricane]

pgcl will make u lose water weight and dry u out from my experience ..didnt do shit as far as fat loss, atleast for me

never used the others

 

[the.gladiator1987]

hey hurricane hit me up with some k i lost bad with the yanks twice

 

[sonicwaste]

Don't really like any of those... Best bet would be the injectible l-carnitine... But you gotta inject a lot of it and if you are already a pin cushion it would get tedious...

For the type of thing you are talking about i like just plain ol' ALCAR, Yohimburn, Yohimbine, Dermatherm Target... Shit works like a charm in conjunction with a tight ass diet.

Gladiator bro, you look leaner than being stuck at 10% if that's you in your avatar... Get special with your diet and use a good supplement protocol and you'll break your barrier.

 

[supreme]

Well I use Alcar daily for the mental boost, using Dermatherm now, have used yohimburn, T3, yohimbe- works well everywhere but the deposits. I think they are due to genetics ad hormonal imbalance at puberty.

Have used A.I., anti-e's, high dose, low dose, short & long runs to try to correct for imbalance and lower estrogen levels- no effect

Diet, I go keto to cut, no effect - abs come in but soft on sidesof waist and edges of chest.

One thing worked a little- site injections of GH - but expensive and get crippling carpal tunnel-like symptoms at 2 I.U. / day.

So I need something that will KILL the fat cells, not just shrink them!

S

 

[the.gladiator1987]

i would say run a shit load. every day. youll lose a lot of muscle as well haha

 

[sonicwaste]

Man, I know how you feel my brother... I have/have had the same issue... And thank god it's finally going away.

AI is important, it helps for sure.

I use exorbitant amounts of Alcar... Yes it causes bad gas, but extremely worth it. I get about 4g Alcar from Levorex, 4g Alcar from thermorexin, Plus i take an extra 1-1.5g before workouts and before cardio sessions. That's a shit ton, but it's worked well.

Yohimburn before cardio, before workouts... Dermatherm right before bed 3 squirts. I exfoliate like a motherfucker too.

5mg extra yohimbine right before I step on the treadmill.

Do tons of oblique work as well.

It's taken months, but I've obliterated my love handles totally. Lower stomach and lower back fat is still there in a small amount... Upper stomach fat has a bit of a sheen. Abs are showing, but not enough to make me happy. I am down to 9.5% bodyfat... So I know how you feel. It's a bitch being that low in bodyfat and still not having ripped abs... It happens and you've just got to work around it... I've known people that have had to get down to 6% for their abs to shed off the final amounts of fat... Thus I've set my goal at 6%.

Like I said, I've made it down to 9.5% and still have fat coverage in the abdominal area. It gets consistently better every week. But it is frustrating when you get into the single digits and still have fatty deposits... You will get rid of it.

You also have to battle cortisol. Cortisol will keep the upper abs with a sheen of sub-q fat..> That's where I am right now... Trying to battle the cortisol to keep the abs coming in.

Keep working at it

Well I use Alcar daily for the mental boost, using Dermatherm now, have used yohimburn, T3, yohimbe- works well everywhere but the deposits. I think they are due to genetics ad hormonal imbalance at puberty.

Have used A.I., anti-e's, high dose, low dose, short & long runs to try to correct for imbalance and lower estrogen levels- no effect

Diet, I go keto to cut, no effect - abs come in but soft on sidesof waist and edges of chest.

One thing worked a little- site injections of GH - but expensive and get crippling carpal tunnel-like symptoms at 2 I.U. / day.

So I need something that will KILL the fat cells, not just shrink them!

S

 

[supreme]

Too much yohimbine - (I get pharm grade tabs) makes me nervous / nauseous and feeling wired & weird. I am taking endoamp from PP for cortisol.

S

 

[sonicwaste]

when do you do your cardio? How often? and what type?

 

[micksnowdog]

i thought liposuction was the only way to completely remove fat cells, i didn't think you could make them go just shrink em.

 

[ConanX]

ECA with cardio and a tight diet while on a mild AAS cycle did the trick for me.

I have those damn love handles back though and although you can see my abs, sometimes if the lighting isn't right my stomach just looks flat and I hate it. I should be getting some clen in soon and I plan to run Clen and Yohimbine. I think it should work nicely.

Lipo is an option...and for the suicidal out there you can try DNP but I stress "the suicidal." Trenbolone also.

 

[goin on 4T]

I take a couple of meltdowns. Works well for me.

 

[timtim]

go to a plastic surgeon and ask about lipodissolve. probably 3 sessions. under a thousand dollars ive heard and very effective.

 

[supreme]

sounds interesting, will have to look into it.

The reason why thinking about Pgf2a or possibly pgcl - they kill fat cells, not shrink fat cells like exercise & diet. also pgf2a is supposed to cause site growth especially if stacked with igf1.

Anyone still use pgf2a??

S

 

[MSA122]

sounds interesting, will have to look into it.

The reason why thinking about Pgf2a or possibly pgcl - they kill fat cells, not shrink fat cells like exercise & diet. also pgf2a is supposed to cause site growth especially if stacked with igf1.

Anyone still use pgf2a??

I've still got a couple of bottles of pgf2a/lutalayse in my gear box; man read up on that shit first! don't know why I haven't trashed it yet. you know anything that causes spontaenous abortions isn't the tamest of chemicals...

I naturally have a slightly disproportionate fat distribution; my right side will be smooth and a little roll on the left; so I went after the left side with pgf2a.

Been a while, think it burned like hell subq, probably high BA, spent lots of quality time on the crapper, so maybe it's a diet aid, lol. You might as well inject while sitting on the toilet cause you just have a few seconds to get there.

The dead fat cells turned into little lumps that litterally took several months to go away and you would have to do LOTS of it to get a really noticable change.

 

[supreme]

Thanks for the info!!

I think it might be better to look into helios combined with topical T3 (homemade) right before training & cardio. Lyle McDonald has an interesting trick- do intense lifting & cardio to liberate fat into blood stream and then follow up immediately with 30-40 min mod-low intensity steady state cardio to use the liberated fat as a fuel source.

any thoughts on Super Clen?? anyone

What are the ingredients of "meltdown" & Super clen - Used DNP years ago, threw out big supply!! Hated it, felt like shit and couldn't sleep at all! Fat loss from DNP was nothing more than ECA except faster but couldn't train, sleep and felt like death all day.

S

 

[sonicwaste]

my thoughts are that there are probably some underlying factors that are causing you not to burn the fat you want to. I'd start with figuring that out first.

Trying to find the compound that is going to change everything is an endless road... Because there is no such thing.

I've been down that road way too many times... And I don't want to see you head down that road. Creative diet and training is going to make you... Not the supps, stims, burners, thermos, etc...

I couldn't get that through my head for the longest time... My diet was always on, training on, etc... I just needed to shake things up... That's what it's all about.

You aren't going to be happy chasing supps... You will be happy once you figure out what your body is trying to do... Just my 2 cents though.

Honestly, I would save your money on chasing supps and hire someone like Future to help you figure out a plan

 

[supreme]

Thanks!

I have gotten down to below 10% BF and the abs eventually look o.k. but the stubborn fat on the sides of my chest I believe to be due to estrogen imbalance in my teens and crappy genetics. The ideal would be cosmetic surgery or the lipodissolve. This is just an area that is abnormal and normal training & diet - even strict & intense makes dramatic changes everywhere but there. My doc checked and said its not gyno / glandular or breast tissue just fat.

I always rely on nutrition & training first - but I need something to actually kill or remove the cells and I hate surgery and it costs more than a few injections.

I remember years ago hearing about pgf2a and recently pgcl as well as helios - thought they might provide a non-surgical option

S

 

[jacshelb]

Supreme, how much DNP were you using? Just curious.

 

[supreme]

Well,

I don't remember exactly, but it was a safe amount based on bodyweight. I followed the measuring, capping & dosing schedule laid out by Dan Duchaine - he had an internet column on QFAC called DAN-ARCHY (it is long gone - but I printed out every column) there were only about 5 and 2 had exact details on making DNP caps. It was messy but they were real and it worked.

It felt like bring on high dose Tren but none of the strength or hardness increases, not sleeping sucks!! Just felt hot and tired, lethargic all day.

Not worth the risk and discomfort - at least in my case, can get the same results with EC & T3, keto diet and more training, just takes a little longer.

S

 

[jacshelb]

Hmm, thanks for the info. I'm thinking of trying it, but also thinking I won't like the sleep problems- have enough trouble with that as is (on tren too).

 

[supreme]

I think DNP would only work for those who can't control their calories or need rapid weight loss. You really can't train other then mod-light cardio, you sweat gallons and just feel uncomfortable.

I got mine from a REAL research lab that is long gone that Dan gave a link to, it comes wet packed and you need special shipping for explosives because it is a component of TNT. It has to be dried FIRST and then weighed. You need an accurate triple beam scale or the digital equivalent. I WOULD NOT trust a source because 1 WRONG DOSE CAN LAND YOU IN THE HOSPITAL OR WORSE!! This stuff is as dangerous as lasix if miss dose it, you may not get a second chance.

You can't eat carbs other than some fruit & veg on DNP because the more carbs you eat the greater the futile energy cycle produced and you generate more heat and feel even shittier!

I think clen, T3 , Tren, Var and a diuretic can work better and you will look harder! The best guide for diuretics that is easy to read / understand and straight forward is the special chapter in Duchaine's Body Opus. I don't compete so I don't fool with them but I read the chapter, seem logical and sane (you don't go for long periods without water, lasix is used only as a LAST resort). There may be new ideas / products that have come out since then but I would still read it. Once bodyfat is in single digits, getting the water out is the last step.

S

 

[supreme]

last, I am not sure but I don't think DNP kills the fat cells, just shrinks them rapidly - but I am far from sure and could be wrong!

S