Facebook and Religion (Warning: Buzzkill)

[freakshow85]

So, this may show who is religious and who isn't. (I'm drinking and I rarely do anymore) I was just checking my facebook and this kinda killed my buzz.
''.. a lot of (Great-Grand-Children). Jesus,
would you please gave my mommy a Hug from me and tell her I Love Her Very Much!!!!!! I will see you
some-day''

Who believes there's a man upstairs and who cringes yet admires with jealousy the people who have this belief?

 

[freakshow85]

Oh yeah, this is the jack of.. I mean chat and conversation forum, so I posted here. Second, I have been drinking and have been typing on a phone.

 

[-SD-]

Cool story bro

 

[lartinos]

Bunch of ignant churchies up in here...

 

[cindylou]

Bunch of ignant churchies up in here...

lol @ your projection

 

[lartinos]

lol @ your projection

Not following Cindy, what exactly am I projecting? (In your opinion of course)

 

[EnderJE]

Not following Cindy, what exactly am I projecting? (In my your opinion of course)

She thinks that you've got a small package.

 

[nangiggles]

So, this may show who is religious and who isn't. (I'm drinking and I rarely do anymore) I was just checking my facebook and this kinda killed my buzz.
''.. a lot of (Great-Grand-Children). Jesus,
would you please gave my mommy a Hug from me and tell her I Love Her Very Much!!!!!! I will see you
some-day''

Who believes there's a man upstairs and who cringes yet admires with jealousy the people who have this belief?

I admit to having a tad of jealousy, I wish I "believed" in something, I think a lot of people find the courage and motivation to live day to day and have hopes and dreams due to their faith.

 

[EnderJE]

I admit to having a tad of jealousy, I wish I "believed" in something, I think a lot of people find the courage and motivation to live day to day and have hopes and dreams due to their faith.

I'm a tad jelly of your bra.

 

[nangiggles]

I'm a tad jelly of your bra.

well it's pretty strong

 

[Mr. dB]

I don't envy the believers, I pity them.

 

[lartinos]

I admit to having a tad of jealousy, I wish I "believed" in something, I think a lot of people find the courage and motivation to live day to day and have hopes and dreams due to their faith.

This would be the argument for religion in that it helps the ignorant live a meaningful life and shows them values that they wouldn't be able learn othwerwise most likely. But is that for the greater good overall? Having people that believe in Santa Claus etc? Probably not..

 

[wootoom]

i want to be everyones fb friend

 

[EnderJE]

well it's pretty strong

Can I use your bras for a slingshot? I'm fighting a Philistine later today.

 

[cindylou]

This would be the argument for religion in that it helps the ignorant live a meaningful life and shows them values that they wouldn't be able learn othwerwise most likely. But is that for the greater good overall? Having people that believe in Santa Claus etc? Probably not..

*facepalm*

 

[smurf2]

*facepalm*

lol

Latinos why must you refer to believers as ignorant? Is that necessary or are you saying these things to incite them?

 

[smurf2]

I don't envy the believers, I pity them.

How come?

 

[lartinos]

lol

Latinos why must you refer to believers as ignorant? Is that necessary or are you saying these things to incite them?

Now if I am a firm believer in Santa Claus, would you consider me ignorant? Or just for jesus (and similar) would I not be ignorant?

 

[cindylou]

lol

Latinos why must you refer to believers as ignorant? Is that necessary or are you saying these things to incite them?

I think deep down he knows he is the ignorant one.

 

[smurf2]

Now if I am a firm believer in Santa Claus, would you consider me ignorant? Or just for jesus (and similar) would I not be ignorant?

I guess my point was that I have many people in my life who are believers and I still respect them greatly and I'd never refer to them as ignorant

 

[lartinos]

I guess my point was that I have many people in my life who are believers and I still respect them greatly and I'd never refer to them as ignorant

People are my friend because of the honesty they get from me,
not because I go along with everything in their life.
Now if my company continues to expand and I get a good churchie employee I would not incite them for their "beliefs." We would also probably never become really close friends outside of work though because I would have to hold back not to hurt their feelings.
I have a right to feel and say what I want, just as these people do.
They should not feel anymore offended by me as I am by them.

 

[cindylou]

People are my friend because of the honesty they get from me,
not because I go along with everything in their life.
Now if my company continues to expand and I get a good churchie employee I would not incite them for their "beliefs." We would also probably never become really close friends outside of work though because I would have to hold back not to hurt their feelings.
I have a right to feel and say what I want, just as these people do.
They should not feel anymore offended by me as I am by them.

Lartinos, making such wide-sweeping generalizations about people is anti-intellectual. You don't know about how people get values, and you don't know what you're talking about, you don't understand anything. You get your opinions from other people. You think you're being honest but you're not being honest with yourself. You couldn't be friends with someone that had beliefs? Are you really that shallow?

YOU ARE JUST AS IGNORANT AS "THEY" ARE.

 

[smurf2]

I guess the difference between you and I is that I don't feel offended or threatened by someone else's beliefs. I also don't say or do things that intentionally cause discord between me and people I am close with. In other words, I don't show up at Christmas Eve dinner with my Roman Catholic family and start spouting off about the fact that I don't believe in Jesus or God. What would be the point?

 

[AFeedz]

This would be the argument for religion in that it helps the ignorant live a meaningful life and shows them values that they wouldn't be able learn othwerwise most likely. But is that for the greater good overall? Having people that believe in Santa Claus etc? Probably not..

You're right as always, Lart, I'm so ignorant. You, on the other hand, are totally not for all your blanket statements about religious people and blind hatred.

Honestly, you give atheists a bad name. You're really worse with acceptance, understanding and preaching than any Christian or religious person I've ever met. You need to take a cue from respectable atheists like plunk or nan or smurf.

Edit: Ooops, didn't see that smurf and cindy commented on the same thing.

 

[cindylou]

I guess the difference between you and I is that I don't feel offended or threatened by someone else's beliefs. I also don't say or do things that intentionally cause discord between me and people I am close with. In other words, I don't show up at Christmas Eve dinner with my Roman Catholic family and start spouting off about the fact that I don't believe in Jesus or God. What would be the point?

new-atheism attracts the anti-social, socially backwards crowd.

 

[smurf2]

new-atheism attracts the anti-social, socially backwards crowd.

Yeah, it's weird to me.

 

[lartinos]

I guess the difference between you and I is that I don't feel offended or threatened by someone else's beliefs. I also don't say or do things that intentionally cause discord between me and people I am close with. In other words, I don't show up at Christmas Eve dinner with my Roman Catholic family and start spouting off about the fact that I don't believe in Jesus or God. What would be the point?

I agree with you smurf. The others just seem angry, lol.

 

[cindylou]

you are a weird guy sometimes lart. Lol

omg I called a whole group of people ignorant and others seem angry. Is this how people work? I don't understand people!!!11 Is that how Dawkins told you to respond? lolool

 

[lartinos]

you are a weird guy sometimes lart. Lol

omg I called a whole group of people ignorant and others seem angry. Is this how people work? I don't understand people!!!11

As long as weird isn't described as believing in something that isn't based on fact in any way.. I am comfortable with that

 

[AFeedz]

I agree with you smurf. The others just seem angry, lol.

Nobody is angry. You're someone who knows almost nothing about religion, but you think you're qualified to judge religion and all those who believe in it.

Funny thing is, if a Christian around here talked about their religion the way you talk about atheism and talked about atheists with half as much disdain as you talk about the religious, you'd be over here pointing it out as an example of religious ignorance and stupidity.

But we have to sit here and watch you back up your atheism using all the same tactics that make you hate religion/the religious. It's hypocritical. You're an evangelical atheist.

You're the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Mr. dB]

new-atheism attracts the anti-social, socially backwards crowd.

Religion attracts sheep.

 

[cindylou]

As long as weird isn't described as believing in something that isn't based on fact in any way.. I am comfortable with that

You have no idea what you're talking about, lol. Essentially, you're telling someone who is far more studied in this issue than yourself, more well-read, more experienced, and in a better position to be in the know about this topic that they're ignorant. You are clearly being dishonest with yourself when you speak like this about things you don't know anything about.

If you're comfortable being shallow, then by all means go ahead. You have nothing to say or add but insults. In other words you're boring and probably as deep as a puddle on a sidewalk in Texas in August.

Okay, I didn't really mean that last half, but it sounded good. You're okay with me lart. lol. Just gotta call you on your crap sometimes.

 

[cindylou]

Religion attracts sheep.

No, it attracts all different types of people with different personality/psychological types and traits.

 

[lartinos]

You have no idea what you're talking about, lol. Essentially, you're telling someone who is far more studied in this issue than yourself, more well-read, more experienced, and in a better position to be in the know about this topic that they're ignorant. You are clearly being dishonest with yourself when you speak like this about things you don't know anything about.

If you're comfortable being shallow, then by all means go ahead. You have nothing to say or add but insults. In other words you're boring and probably as deep as a puddle on a sidewalk in Texas in August.

Okay, I didn't really mean that last half, but it sounded good. You're okay with me lart. lol. Just gotta call you on your crap sometimes.

When you speak in terms of psychology I agree with everything you say that I can remember, but when it comes to religion no one has ever been able sway me from my current stance. I have said what I've wanted and will continue to incite people because I don't think enough people think critically about their beliefs. If everyone took my approach it would not good, and if a lot of other people spoke up like I do then I wouldn't even bother... But the fact is is that too many people go along with the status quo. If you really looked at my posts and thought "is he just trying to incite something" That is really all I am doing. I am not making personal attacks, but people take it that way. I cannot control that.

 

[EnderJE]

How about if this wasn't about Christianity? Would we be having this conversation if it was about the guy in the insane asylum who believes that he's Napoleon? Or what about the Scientology? I dunno.

I see alot of people like Lart trying to convert people / comment on people on way or another. Most atheists that I've met just shut the hell up. Unlike Vegans...

 

[EnderJE]

Oh wait. I get it. Lart = religious plunkey?

 

[ledhead]

Religion attracts sheep.

Atheism attracts wolves.

 

[AFeedz]

When you speak in terms of psychology I agree with everything you say that I can remember, but when it comes to religion no one has ever been able sway me from my current stance. I have said what I've wanted and will continue to incite people because I don't think enough people think critically about their beliefs. If everyone took my approach it would not good, and if a lot of other people spoke up like I do then I wouldn't even bother... But the fact is is that too many people go along with the status quo. If you really looked at my posts and thought "is he just trying to incite something" That is really all I am doing. I am not making personal attacks, but people take it that way. I cannot control that.

The problem is that nobody should be trying to sway anybody. If someone is firmly rooted in their belief, whether that be religious, social, or anything personal, you can't change their made-up mind.

So of course nobody can sway you, but you're no more likely to sway anybody else either.

Do you think anybody would listen to you, of all people? Persuasion 101: The second you've insulted someone by calling them ignorant, they've officially tuned out your words and opinions, even if they're valid.

The problem isn't your opinion, it's the way you go about it in a way that makes people not want to listen.

 

[smurf2]

Afeedz speaks the troof!

 

[lartinos]

The problem is that nobody should be trying to sway anybody. If someone is firmly rooted in their belief, whether that be religious, social, or anything personal, you can't change their made-up mind.

So of course nobody can sway you, but you're no more likely to sway anybody else either.

Do you think anybody would listen to you, of all people? Persuasion 101: The second you've insulted someone by calling them ignorant, they've officially tuned out your words and opinions, even if they're valid.

The problem isn't your opinion, it's the way you go about it in a way that makes people not want to listen.

Most people are nicer than me. They go about it another way without the splash.
And I also must not leave out the humor aspect. I do get joy in watching people flip out so much about imaginary beings. So there is a selfish side of it too. I would be lying if I did not admit that fact too. On FB I am a little nicer. This is an anonymous board for the most part and I like the freedom. People who do get offended... I wonder about why they feel this way. Is it because deep down they know it is a bunch of bullshit and they repress those feelings or something.. IDK

 

[cindylou]

When you speak in terms of psychology I agree with everything you say that I can remember, but when it comes to religion no one has ever been able sway me from my current stance. I have said what I've wanted and will continue to incite people because I don't think enough people think critically about their beliefs. If everyone took my approach it would not good, and if a lot of other people spoke up like I do then I wouldn't even bother... But the fact is is that too many people go along with the status quo. If you really looked at my posts and thought "is he just trying to incite something" That is really all I am doing. I am not making personal attacks, but people take it that way. I cannot control that.

But no one is trying to sway you? Do you not see how you are being a hypocrite on this issue? I get that there are a lot of people that are ignorant and religious. There are people that use religion to hurt, I've been hurt by religion and as a result a little distrustful and not particularly religious. But I also realize the problem isn't religion, it's people. Human nature, distortion, manipulation, the false self, placing yourself above others, and those with other motives have been what has hurt people, not religion at its core or at its purest. Religion suffers no more and no less to the dark side of humanity than any other system. The desire to control, dominate and manipulate is in everything we do and as a result, every system. People that scapegoat religion and blame it for all the evil in the world seriously need to look in the mirror. They have just found other means to satisfy their god complex, not because they've found any meaningful answers or understand anything, they are just trying to tell other people what to think and where to place their authority with the same flawed people/group/system/idea that they are a slave to. It's all the same game.

 

[smurf2]

Most people are nicer than me. They go about it another way without the splash.
And I also must not leave out the humor aspect. I do get joy in watching people flip out so much about imaginary beings. So there is a selfish side of it too. I would be lying if I did not admit that fact too. On FB I am a little nicer. This is an anonymous board for the most part and I like the freedom. People who do get offended... I wonder about why they feel this way. Is it because deep down they know it is a bunch of bullshit and they repress those feelings or something.. IDK

So bAsically all of your comments should simply be ignored because you are only saying things to get a rise out of people and to entertain your own self. Believe me, the way you express your opinion does not make you sound very educated on the subject.

 

[AFeedz]

Most people are nicer than me. They go about it another way without the splash.
And I also must not leave out the humor aspect. I do get joy in watching people flip out so much about imaginary beings. So there is a selfish side of it too. I would be lying if I did not admit that fact too. On FB I am a little nicer. This is an anonymous board for the most part and I like the freedom. People who do get offended... I wonder about why they feel this way. Is it because deep down they know it is a bunch of bullshit and they repress those feelings or something.. IDK

Wait, Is that how the mind works? So all this time you've been so actively hating on religion, you've been repressing your deep down belief in God?!

Hallelujah, Hallelujah, LARTINOS IS SAVED, Hallelujah!!!!

 

[lartinos]

But no one is trying to sway you? Do you not see how you are being a hypocrite on this issue? I get that there are a lot of people that are ignorant and religious. There are people that use religion to hurt, I've been hurt by religion and as a result a little distrustful and not particularly religious. But I also realize the problem isn't religion, it's people. Human nature, distortion, manipulation, the false self, placing yourself above others, and those with other motives have been what has hurt people, not religion at its core or at its purest. Religion suffers no more and no less to the dark side of humanity than any other system. The desire to control, dominate and manipulate is in everything we do and as a result, every system. People that scapegoat religion and blame it for all the evil in the world seriously need to look in the mirror. They have just found other means to satisfy their god complex, not because they've found any meaningful answers or understand anything, they are just trying to tell other people what to think and where to place their authority with the same flawed people/group/system/idea that they are a slave to. It's all the same game.

We remove handguns from society just as we should remove religion. (It only facilitates those behaviors you were talking about) It should only be taught in terms of a history class and nothing more. People can come together to help society without there being a magical fairy tale attached.

 

[cindylou]

We remove handguns from society just as we should remove religion. (It only facilitates those behaviors you were talking about) It should only be taught in terms of a history class and nothing more. People can come together to help society without there being a magical fairy tale attached.

Okay, imo you need to think a little more about that one. Lol. Religion does not facilitate those behaviors, at its purest it counteracts them. lol @ removing handguns from society. So handguns themselves are "bad"? Handguns can't be bad any more than a blade of grass can be bad. The people that use them to hurt, kill, and threaten are "bad" if you wanted to start going that direction.

 

[nangiggles]

I dont like it when believers try to push me into believing and I dont like it when atheists try to push believers to stop believing, the key to the whole thing is tolerance, it's not my business to "open eyes" for anyone, my best friend in CR would tell me God talks to her through dreams and how she prays and how things happen only if he wants them to, etc she sometimes tells me how nice it is to have that comfort in her life,to which I just tell her I'm happy she finds that support and that I wish I could have something like that but I guess we're all different, she could be worshiping the all mighty spaghetti monster for all I care and I would not think less of her or her intellect for it, because I truly believe she believes it and it is not my place to judge, I really dont feel like believers are ignorant, specially since religion is such a wide spread belief itself, I only consider ignorant those like WBC because their beliefs are tweaked and they make it their mission to bully their beliefs onto others and that is where I draw the line and start to get angry, my hubby saw a documentary about WBC and said he'd love to go there and talk to them, I asked him why? does he want to try and make them question their ways and their faith? he said yes, and though I have no respect for them I would not enjoy doing that...

 

[AFeedz]

We remove handguns from society just as we should remove religion. (It only facilitates those behaviors you were talking about) It should only be taught in terms of a history class and nothing more. People can come together to help society without there being a magical fairy tale attached.

lol @ thinking it's religion and not human nature that facilitates those behaviors.

 

[lartinos]

Okay, imo you need to think a little more about that one. Lol. Religion does not facilitate those behaviors, at its purest it counteracts them. lol @ removing handguns from society. So handguns themselves are "bad"? Handguns can't be bad any more than a blade of grass can be bad. The people that use them to hurt, kill, and threaten are "bad" if you wanted to start going that direction.

Can I give your child a handgun to play with?
Didn't think so. I also don't want to give handguns out to people in my community.
I don't trust them with the power.

 

[nangiggles]

We remove handguns from society just as we should remove religion. (It only facilitates those behaviors you were talking about) It should only be taught in terms of a history class and nothing more. People can come together to help society without there being a magical fairy tale attached.

I might become truly di-social if the concept of religion/church/God somehow ceased to exist... I dont trust people, specially the masses to behave without a lack of their beliefs in God, why? many believers think we atheist are people with no values and morals because we have no "Fear of God" which leads me to believe that many of them only have those morals and values because they do believe in God, so if you take that from them they may just lose their shit and run wild,,,, and that dear sir would truly scare me....

 

[nangiggles]

Can I use your bras for a slingshot? I'm fighting a Philistine later today.

I'm using it to play angry birds...

 

[AFeedz]

Can I give your child handgun to play with?
Didn't think so. I also don't want to give handguns out to people in my community.
I don't trust them with the power.

Good example Lart, because a stranger with a gun and a stranger with a different belief than yours are equally dangerous.


/sarcasm

 

[wootoom]

I'm gonna lock this fucking thread

 

[AFeedz]

I'd also like to point out how funny it is to see someone so Pro-Ron Paul Libertarianism say the government should strip citizens of their religion.

Someone's very confused about what they stand for.

 

[cindylou]

Can I give your child handgun to play with?
Didn't think so. I also don't want to give handguns out to people in my community.
I don't trust them with the power.

Lol you gotta be kidding me. So you don't think people in your community should have handguns because of your fear of what they might do with that power? So you desire to control your environment and those in your environment so you don't have to feel fear? Fear, and desire to control others. Lart needs a mirror, anyone have one?

I thought you were a libertarian? Leave people alone. Lol.

 

[wootoom]

Seriously fuck

 

[nangiggles]

seriously fuck

stfu

 

[lartinos]

I might become truly di-social if the concept of religion/church/God somehow ceased to exist... I dont trust people, specially the masses to behave without a lack of their beliefs in God, why? many believers think we atheist are people with no values and morals because we have no "Fear of God" which leads me to believe that many of them only have those morals and values because they do believe in God, so if you take that from them they may just lose their shit and run wild,,,, and that dear sir would truly scare me....

There is some truth there for sure.
If we are making rules for everyone and the average person is that ignorant, it makes sense treat them as such.
Just as we talk to children about Santa, but at a certain age we no longer talk to them anymore. We don't have to lie to them about the boogieman getting them if they don't brush their teeth etc.. I think people should question things more.
A problem I see from society is the inability to really being aware of the choices they make. Whether it is believing in supernatural beings or voting for someone out of ignorance.

 

[lartinos]

I dont like it when believers try to push me into believing and I dont like it when atheists try to push believers to stop believing, the key to the whole thing is tolerance, it's not my business to "open eyes" for anyone, my best friend in CR would tell me God talks to her through dreams and how she prays and how things happen only if he wants them to, etc she sometimes tells me how nice it is to have that comfort in her life,to which I just tell her I'm happy she finds that support and that I wish I could have something like that but I guess we're all different, she could be worshiping the all mighty spaghetti monster for all I care and I would not think less of her or her intellect for it, because I truly believe she believes it and it is not my place to judge, I really dont feel like believers are ignorant, specially since religion is such a wide spread belief itself, I only consider ignorant those like WBC because their beliefs are tweaked and they make it their mission to bully their beliefs onto others and that is where I draw the line and start to get angry, my hubby saw a documentary about WBC and said he'd love to go there and talk to them, I asked him why? does he want to try and make them question their ways and their faith? he said yes, and though I have no respect for them I would not enjoy doing that...

And most people do the same as you are. That is just not how I am. All I am doing is speaking my mind. People can say whatever they want about religion and make a churchie section on this board for all I care. I am not saying any religion is better than another, they are all old and flawed. If they were taught in an educational manner without promoting all the hocus pocus crap it could help society without a doubt.

 

[lartinos]

Good example Lart, because a stranger with a gun and a stranger with a different belief than yours are equally dangerous.

lol

 

[lartinos]

Lol you gotta be kidding me. So you don't think people in your community should have handguns because of your fear of what they might do with that power? So you desire to control your environment and those in your environment so you don't have to feel fear? Fear, and desire to control others. Lart needs a mirror, anyone have one?

I thought you were a libertarian? Leave people alone. Lol.

Libertarian doesn't mean anarchy. I think people mix that up.

 

[AFeedz]

Libertarian doesn't mean anarchy. I think people mix that up.

But it does mean that you shouldn't want the government to have a hand in people's religious beliefs, whether that be to promote or ban them.

 

[lartinos]

But it does mean that you shouldn't want the government to have a hand in people's religious beliefs, whether that be to promote or ban them.

Agreed, and I totally see where you're coming from and expected one of you guys to bring it up. I never specifically said the government should intervene.
But in a way I want them to, that is why being a libertarian means you do have to let people have power sometimes in ways you know may be trouble. Because if you leave it up to the government it ends up like religion where people abuse those powers too much.
I am libertarian because I don't trust our government. I want less government officials on the payroll and less laws effecting our rights.

 

[AFeedz]

Agreed, and I totally see where you're coming from and expected one of you guys to bring it up. I never specifically said the government should intervene.
But in a way I want them to, that is why being a libertarian means you do have to let people have power sometimes in ways you know may be trouble. Because if you leave it up the government it ends up like religion where people abuse those powers too much.
I am libertarian because I don't trust our government. I want less government officials on the payroll and less laws effecting our rights.

You said religion should be kept from people as guns are. Guns are kept from people by the government, so if religion is kept the same way, then you did say government should intervene, no?

And how does one contradict themselves in the same post?

"In a way I want them [the government] to [intervene in religion] because......I'm libertarian.....I want less laws effecting our rights."

That's what you just posted. lol

 

[lartinos]

You said religion should be kept from people as guns are. Guns are kept from people by the government, so if religion is kept the same way, then you did say government should intervene, no?

And how does one contradict themselves in the same post?

"In a way I want them [the government] to [intervene in religion] because......I'm libertarian.....I want less laws effecting our rights."

That's what you just posted. lol

Meaning that I see the reason why people can be for government to fix these problems in society. But the government won't do that, it will get corrupted like religion and be the current mess we have now. So I am begrudgingly a libertarian because I do not trust government to be so involved with my life.
Certain things like Guns can quickly destroy other people's lives. I am for rights, but obvious things like screaming fire in a theater that effect other people is a different situation. I used a Gun earlier because it got my point across and it was funny/incited. Nothing wrong with having some fun

 

[lartinos]

Pick3 is reading all my posts and wanting to correct my spelling errors etc.
I am looking forward to post number 70,000.

 

[miplank]

Meaning that I see the reason why people can be for government to fix these problems in society. But the government won't do that, it will get corrupted like religion and be the current mess we have now. So I am begrudgingly a libertarian because I do not trust government to be so involved with my life.
Certain things like Guns can quickly destroy other people's lives. I am for rights, but obvious things like screaming fire in theater that effect other people is a different situation. I used a Gun earlier because it got my point across and it was funny/incited. Nothing wrong with having some fun

How is religion ruining people's lives like guns?


I am sorry that your priest touched you in your no no spot when you were a young alter boy.

 

[lartinos]

How is religion ruining people's lives like guns?


I am sorry that your priest touched you in your no no spot when you were a young alter boy.

I never said It did, I said that to incite people and convey my point at the same time.

 

[wootoom]

I'm locking this shit

 

[ceo]

guns aren't ruining shit. People fuck up everything. People control guns and people control religion. Come try to take my guns away Lart.

Some libertarian you are. Ron Paul would be ashamed.

 

[AFeedz]

I never said It did, I said that to incite people and convey my point at the same time.

lolol

 

[miplank]

guns aren't ruining shit. People fuck up everything. People control guns and people control religion. Come try to take my guns away Lart.

Some libertarian you are. Ron Paul would be ashamed.

You live in Cali. You have no guns. Lol

 

[miplank]

At least not any cool ones

 

[miplank]

lolol

Lol

 

[lartinos]

guns aren't ruining shit. People fuck up everything. People control guns and people control religion. Come try to take my guns away Lart.

Some libertarian you are. Ron Paul would be ashamed.

You are right.

 

[cindylou]

Libertarian doesn't mean anarchy. I think people mix that up.

I know what it means.

Why does it seem like talking to men is like talking to a brick wall?

I give up

 

[ceo]

who are you calling a brick wall?

I actually knew a guy named Brick.

 

[lartinos]

who are you calling a brick wall?

I actually knew a guy named Brick.

There's a great restaurant here in Astoria called Brick too.
Definitely worth checking out if you guys come to my hood.

And everyone stop saying I am atheist. I never said I am. I don't just go assuming things about you guys. (maybe I do)

 

[blueta2]

I'm not religious and I'm not comfortable with religion, but I am cool with anyone who believes in whatever higher power makes them stronger and good peeps.
What I dislike is someone wearing their religion like a badge, yet never even practices that religion

I'm also not an atheist, but I believe in a higher power, not just some white bearded God and I don't believe Jesus was anything more than a spiritual and loving man who worked for change among hateful people

 

[cindylou]

who are you calling a brick wall?

I actually knew a guy named Brick.

no one and everyone

 

[lartinos]

I'm not religious and I'm not comfortable with religion, but I am cool with anyone who believes in whatever higher power makes them stronger and good peeps.
What I dislike is someone wearing their religion like a badge, yet never even practices that religion

I'm also not an atheist, but I believe in a higher power, not just some white bearded God and I don't believe Jesus was anything more than a spiritual and loving man who worked for change among hateful people

If I had to guess I would say there is not a God of any kind or anything like that.
But since I no proof either way I just classify myself as agnostic.
Saying one way or the other doesn't really make sense to me because none of us know for a fact about anything.

 

[bigpokey]

I'm not religious and I'm not comfortable with religion, but I am cool with anyone who believes in whatever higher power makes them stronger and good peeps.
What I dislike is someone wearing their religion like a badge, yet never even practices that religion

I'm also not an atheist, but I believe in a higher power, not just some white bearded God and I don't believe Jesus was anything more than a spiritual and loving man who worked for change among hateful people

blah blah blah goin to hell!

If I had to guess I would there is not a God of any kind or anything like that.
But since I no proof either way I just classify myself as agnostic.
Saying one way or the other doesn't really make sense to me because none of us know for a fact about anything.

blah blah blah goin to double hell!

 

[blueta2]

If I had to guess I would there is not a God of any kind or anything like that.
But since I no proof either way I just classify myself as agnostic.
Saying one way or the other doesn't really make sense to me because none of us know for a fact about anything.

Well true and not true. But you cannot deny there is an energy much greater than living things.
When you plant a little seed and feed this seed (plant or life form), it grows into something so great (flowers or human life) some sort of "higher power" is working with great force to create something so amazing from only a seed.

The cycles of life is just too great to not believe something bigger out there exists.

My grandma died in my arms in a huge dramatic fashion. Before she passed on, she was in a coma and brain dead for 3 weeks. We took her off her feeding tube.
The moment before death, I was in bed with her and she sat up, looked me square in the eyes, handed the rosary that was in her hand for 3 weeks, into my hand, squeezed my hand 3 times (that was our thing between her and I when I would see her, each squeeze meant "I LOVE YOU"), cried and slowly laid back down and just stopped breathing.
Not sure how to explain that medically, so I just chalked it up to a higher power giving her enough life force to say "G'bye"

 

[ledhead]

We remove handguns from society just as we should remove religion. (It only facilitates those behaviors you were talking about) It should only be taught in terms of a history class and nothing more. People can come together to help society without there being a magical fairy tale attached.

Well bro, if you think society can get along without guns and religion you are the one who is living in a magical fairy tale. First, you are persecuting people for their religious beliefs, that is 16th-17th century bullcrap. You forgot this country was started by people who fled religious persecution, and here you are doing the same thing. Moreover, the same amendment you are trying to stop people from observing you are simultaneously observing by chirping an awful lot (hypocritical). According to Marx, religion is the opiate of the masses, in other words religion is an illusion, this is the same guy who said communism would conquer the world, thus far Marx has been wrong. In the history world we have a term called historiography: critical examination of sources, authentic material from oral interviews, diaries, eyewitness accounts. Through these things history has recorded the life of a man named Jesus, and people wrote about him and attested to his miracles, death, and resurrection - these things have been confirmed by scholars, anthropologists, and archaeologists... Even if they have been altered through time, they hold more weight and more "certainty" than any argument from an atheist.

Atheism is a relatively new term, that was started by a guy named David Hume in the 18th century, prior to Hume's "Natural History of Religion" atheism was not even heard of - it was spawned from religious persecution, do you see how hypocritical atheism really is?? Religion and the proof of religion has been around a lot longer than atheism, which means their is more "probability" that religion or in our case Christianity holds way more weight than atheism. There are no records of atheism except for people's opinion, which would be "secondary sources", the bible, even if it has been altered is considered a "primary source," which means it trumps atheism.. Even if the bible is not true (which I believe it is) it is still has stood the test of time, and in the history world holds more weight than atheism because people actually testified of the events that were written in the bible.. Atheism operates solely from opinion - meaning it is worthless..

When it comes down to brass tacks, the most probability wins and Christianity has way more evidence through actual documented events than someone's bias opinion who has been hurt by religion..

As for gun control, ask the Brits how well that is going. Since they passed gun control their crime rate went up 500%. In the days of the Wild West everyone owned a gun and the murder rate was lower back then than it is now. (examiner.com/guns-rights). Which means people thought twice about fucking around because there was a good chance of getting wasted, that gives you something to consider...


Your arguments are based on opinions and emotions not facts or the most probabilities...

 

[nangiggles]

after much debate I just realized I'll never know for sure so I just dont care anymore, dont waste time figuring out or thinking if there may or may not be a good, I just try to live right and do things the correct way, which to me means not harming myself or others.... If I had to incline to a way of life/religion I'd go with Buddhism

 

[lartinos]

Well bro, if you think society can get along without guns and religion you are the one who is living in a magical fairy tale. First, you are persecuting people for their religious beliefs, that is 16th-17th century bullcrap. You forgot this country was started by people who fled religious persecution, and here you are doing the same thing. Moreover, the same amendment you are trying to stop people from observing you are simultaneously observing by chirping an awful lot (hypocritical). According to Marx, religion is the opiate of the masses, in other words religion is an illusion, this is the same guy who said communism would conquer the world, thus far Marx has been wrong. In the history world we have a term called historiography: critical examination of sources, authentic material from oral interviews, diaries, eyewitness accounts. Through these things history has recorded the life of a man named Jesus, and people wrote about him and attested to his miracles, death, and resurrection - these things have been confirmed by scholars, anthropologists, and archaeologists... Even if they have been altered through time, they hold more weight and more "certainty" than any argument from an atheist.

Atheism is a relatively new term, that was started by a guy named David Hume in the 18th century, prior to Hume's "Natural History of Religion" atheism was not even heard of - it was spawned from religious persecution, do you see how hypocritical atheism really is?? Religion and the proof of religion has been around a lot longer than atheism, which means their is more "probability" that religion or in our case Christianity holds way more weight than atheism. There are no records of atheism except for people's opinion, which would be "secondary sources", the bible, even if it has been altered is considered a "primary source," which means it trumps atheism.. Even if the bible is not true (which I believe it is) it is still has stood the test of time, and in the history world holds more weight than atheism because people actually testified of the events that were written in the bible.. Atheism operates solely from opinion - meaning it is worthless..

When it comes down to brass tacks, the most probability wins and Christianity has way more evidence through actual documented events than someone's bias opinion who has been hurt by religion..

As for gun control, ask the Brits how well that is going. Since they passed gun control their crime rate went up 500%. In the days of the Wild West everyone owned a gun and the murder rate was lower back then than it is now. (examiner.com/guns-rights). Which means people thought twice about fucking around because there was a good chance of getting wasted, that gives you something to consider...


Your arguments are based on opinions and emotions not facts or the most probabilities...

I never said I wanted government to enforce anything. I just said I thought society would be better if we figured out away to do away with it and not accept it so much.
Once again people putting words in my mouth!
Secondly, I am more conservative if anything, but I still recognize the good things Karl Marx pointed out. I am sure Plunkey would even agree that Marx had some good points.

 

[ledhead]

I never said I wanted government to enforce anything. I just said I thought society would be better if we figured out away to do away with it and not accept it so much.
Once again people putting words in my mouth!
Secondly, I am more conservative if anything, but I still recognize the good things Karl Marx pointed out. I am sure Plunkey would even agree that Marx had some good points.

I never said you said you wanted government to enforce anything. I said, you are persecuting people who believe in God, and you are..

You are entitled to your opinion about Marx, I think he was full of nonsense.

I severely doubt Plunkey agrees with Marx on anything, I would be shocked if he did considering he is one of the biggest economic conservatives I have ever encountered and he is a CEO... contrary to the Communist Manifesto..

 

[lartinos]

I never said you said you wanted government to enforce anything. I said, you are persecuting people who believe in God, and you are..

You are entitled to your opinion about Marx, I think he was full of nonsense.

I severely doubt Plunkey agrees with Marx on anything, I would be shocked if he did considering he is one of the biggest economic conservatives I have ever encountered and he is a CEO... contrary to the Communist Manifesto..

I am interested to hear what he has to say. I guess you could be right, we'll see what he says. If he says anything complimentary it will be someone's Sig immediately unless he is very skilled with his words, lol.

 

[bigpokey]

Well bro, if you think society can get along without guns and religion you are the one who is living in a magical fairy tale.

no shit! guns and religion are responsible for all the peace on earth!

 

[*ebony*]

lart should be an atheist missionary.lol

 

[pdaddyII]

Fuck I want to bomb a church

 

[EnderJE]

I'm not religious and I'm not comfortable with religion, but I am cool with anyone who believes in whatever higher power makes them stronger and good peeps.
What I dislike is someone wearing their religion like a badge, yet never even practices that religion

I'm also not an atheist, but I believe in a higher power, not just some white bearded God and I don't believe Jesus was anything more than a spiritual and loving man who worked for change among hateful people

Some people call that science...

 

[cindylou]

Some people call that science...

lol @ those people that think science is the only way to the truth and isn't as corruptable as religion.

As long as there is a way for me to opt out though, idc.

 

[ledhead]

no shit! guns and religion are responsible for all the peace on earth!

There is no peace on earth and there will never be any?? I was talking about survival...

 

[zwhit]

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

 

[wootoom]

she blinded me with science

 

[ceo]

she blinded me with science

is that better than being blinded with religion?

 

[cindylou]

stfu

 

[EnderJE]

lol @ those people that think science is the only way to the truth and isn't as corruptable as religion.

As long as there is a way for me to opt out though, idc.

You are so right. Let me pray to Helios for them.

 

[EnderJE]

 

[cindylou]

stfu