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DieselGunz
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Damn, my boy is quick!
reigninghard
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all i can say is wow
Spanky11
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Djimbe said:
true..
well, here is a video of my system...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1274302017525395825&q=kyokushin
his timing and kicking abilities are amazing..
Djimbe
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I dont want to PO you , so dont take htis as me being Offensive , I just wanted to ask a Kyokushin guy this for a while ....
WHats really the differencebetween KK and TKD ?
I mean , you guys are both Karate Offshoots that arent allowed to punch to the head in Sparring , right ?
I mean , I just wonder why in so many minds KK gets a lot of Respect and TKD gets almost none ?
By the By , im not one of those ppl that thinks TKD ios useless , so dont get Irate , please . Ive trained with good ppl from both systems , I nefver really heard about the rumours till I got on the Interweb .
WHats really the differencebetween KK and TKD ?
I mean , you guys are both Karate Offshoots that arent allowed to punch to the head in Sparring , right ?
I mean , I just wonder why in so many minds KK gets a lot of Respect and TKD gets almost none ?
By the By , im not one of those ppl that thinks TKD ios useless , so dont get Irate , please . Ive trained with good ppl from both systems , I nefver really heard about the rumours till I got on the Interweb .
Kane Fan said:
I must have come from a different 'era' TKD school. In the lower belts (white, yellow, green, blue) we did light contact sparring. In the upper belts (red, brown, black) we put on the chest protectors and head gear and basically did full contact sparring. I remember I got KO'd in class before. It wasn't uncommon to have 1 or 2 per week to really get their bell rung. We also did the point sparring stuff, but our instructor wanted to make sure we could hit and take a hit "for real" if the need ever arose. However, the only thing that bothered me was that we weren't allowed to punch to the face/head.
I have seen several of the McDojo's out there, and yes, their sparring classes are laughable to say the least.
As with any style, if you get the right instructor - the possibilities are endless. If you get the wrong instructor, it is just pointless.
Spanky11
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mfpd said:
I think that this is the main difference between TKD and KK - we do not use any chest guards, head protectors, padding, etc.
The other main difference is that we kick to the leg, whereas TKD does not (to my knowledge at least).
Second main difference is the competitions - we fight for 3 minutes, and the goal is to knock the other guy down (again, no padding).
Third main difference is that we train 50% punches, and 50% kicks - I'd say that TKD is approx 70% kicking. Also, a good KK fighter needs to have knockdown power in his hands, as well as his feet.
gjohnson5
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jleeno_911 said:
All of those are deadly stikes. Notice all the blows are palm/open handed along the sides of the neck. This and the back of the head deadly areas to hit someone and it does not take a power shot to incopacitate someone. Shots in those spot can be fatal. It really only takes 1 , not 6 or 7 or 8 like this video is displaying
Spanky11 said:
We did some leg kicks, but not a lot. Most of it was focused on the waist and up.
Our point tournament rounds were 3 minutes as well. However, they were with the protective equipment.
I would agree that TKD is a least 70% kicking as well. It is funny though. I always felt much better with my hands. In the tournaments or full sparring, as soon as I could get inside of some ones leg distance, I could pretty much pound to the body as much as I wanted with punches. Very few in my school knew how to really take or give a body punch.
Kane Fan said:
yeah...I didn't mean to imply you did. Truthfully, from what I have seen in the midwest and southwest, the McDojo's typically far outnumber the legit places with respect to TKD.
Now that I am at a gym that trains MMA fighters, I can see a huge difference between the systems. It is quite revealing!!
shamrock11
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mfpd said:
LOL I must be from a different TKD era. In the lighter belts we had light contect but still allowed head shots and in the upper belts we pretty much got to go at it as long as there was no blood drawn. I fought in a lot of the big circuts like NASKA, SKI and NBL.
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novamanms
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I've heard about TKD way back when it was taught a bit more like Kyokushin is taught now. Most people forget that at one time, it was a military art.
I would say those punches could be effective. Many stunning, and the stun would be multiplied if one could pull off half of them in a real fight. But none are deadly. It takes 8-18 pounds of pressure to incapacitate a person when SOME vital targets are hit. But the real advantage of chaining punches at such a great speed like that would be to overwhelm their senses.
I am only skeptical about having the time and opening to pull those off. Granted, that is lightning speed. But I think in a real-life situation, it would still be a bit different.
I would use a few of those strikes and finish with an elbow...or take the guy down. Stun them, close out with a power shot, and get away.
I would say those punches could be effective. Many stunning, and the stun would be multiplied if one could pull off half of them in a real fight. But none are deadly. It takes 8-18 pounds of pressure to incapacitate a person when SOME vital targets are hit. But the real advantage of chaining punches at such a great speed like that would be to overwhelm their senses.
I am only skeptical about having the time and opening to pull those off. Granted, that is lightning speed. But I think in a real-life situation, it would still be a bit different.
I would use a few of those strikes and finish with an elbow...or take the guy down. Stun them, close out with a power shot, and get away.
Saintinistic
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Beinng able to get through a defense is all about opportunity.
My skinny computer worshipping cousin was getting hassled at the bar he worked at as a barman. I showed him simple yet effective stikes.
A Pacific islander hooked a sly punch to his stomach, he doubled over, and when the asshole stepped in to king hit his head my cousin spun up and throat chopped him with the knife edge of his hand..
The fuckwit dropped and they needed to call the ambulance as the guy had breathing problems and was making gagging noises.
This strike was performed by someone who had never had a fight in his life. Opportunity was on his side. Im not saying it is all you need, but that vital area is especially sensitive and even if lightly hit, the opponent backs off, it is survival reasoning.
Long story short: I love them, the throat strikes and eye pokes.
My skinny computer worshipping cousin was getting hassled at the bar he worked at as a barman. I showed him simple yet effective stikes.
A Pacific islander hooked a sly punch to his stomach, he doubled over, and when the asshole stepped in to king hit his head my cousin spun up and throat chopped him with the knife edge of his hand..
The fuckwit dropped and they needed to call the ambulance as the guy had breathing problems and was making gagging noises.
This strike was performed by someone who had never had a fight in his life. Opportunity was on his side. Im not saying it is all you need, but that vital area is especially sensitive and even if lightly hit, the opponent backs off, it is survival reasoning.
Long story short: I love them, the throat strikes and eye pokes.
Djimbe
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novamanms said:
Firstly , hes Pulling them to A) work on Speed and accuracy & B) not kill his Partner .
Secondly , you Drill 9 or 10 or 11 strikes so in a Fight you can land 3 or 4 or 5 if youre lucky .
Look here :
http://www.garylamwingchun.com/movies.html
this guys in his late 60's , and the students KNOW the system AND whats coming - and yet his Speed and accuracy win out .
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novamanms
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Fair enough. I think we can agree to disagree on the matter.
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novamanms
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I can see what you are saying. I just figured we were talking about the two schools of thought on striking than tends to run through the arts. One being overwhelming with speed and multitude of shots (Kenpo, Wing Chun, etc.) and the other one prefering power shots ala Karate and some Western Arts.
I personally sit on the middle of the fence. I personally know a lot of quicker, lighter shots won't phase me as much as a solid cross or a hook. I'm not a fan of the conept of the one-hit kill, either.
I personally sit on the middle of the fence. I personally know a lot of quicker, lighter shots won't phase me as much as a solid cross or a hook. I'm not a fan of the conept of the one-hit kill, either.
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