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Expos and Twins are dissolved !!!
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Kryp2o
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manny78 said:Just heard Bud Selig saying that club owners have just voted for dissolving the Expos and the TWins...........sad but we were expecting that.....
mlb.com is saying the franchises proposed for contraction will not be identified, pending the completion of the negotiations with the clubs as well as the resolution of other details, such as minor league affiliations, notification of employees and scheduling. All of these details can be resolved in time for implementation for next season.
The Whole F/N Show
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Montreal doens't deserve a team so good riddance to the Expos. I heard they weren't even on TV there. Now that's just pathetic. Twins I would kinda miss, but that's life. I was kinda always a Kirby Puckett fan.
The Whole F/N Show said:
This year yes we had them on TV but since 1994 the Expos were the most ridiculous team in MLB. After 1994 season (they were champion) Walker, Grissom, Ken Hill and John Wetteland left the team. The former owner traded them for no-names rookies and we all know what happened. After the new owner Loria came here with such a bad attitude that it fucked everything up. Last season he asked an astronomic amount for TV rights and thats why we had no baseball on TV. SO in conclusion, since the Bronfman sold the team in 1990 it has been a shame. I still remember the great years in the early 80's with Tim Raines, Andre Dawnson, Tim Wallach, Gary Carter, Andres Calaragga....
TxCollegeguy
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I wont miss the Expos but the Twins will be hard to say goodbye too..
BigPhysicsBastard
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I don't think Montreal will miss the expos........it's a shame, their just a hockey town I guess. Now the Twins, I have no comprehension as to why they would be considered for dissolving. Actually, I'm wondering why they want to dissolve any teams in the first place???
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2 world series in the last 15 years and placing #2 in our division last year should have counted for something. Carl Pholad is a mother fucking piece of shit, most of his family thinks hes an asshole, I know one of em.
2 world series in the last 15 years and placing #2 in our division last year should have counted for something. Carl Pholad is a mother fucking piece of shit, most of his family thinks hes an asshole, I know one of em.
BigPhysicsBastard said:
no they dont miss the Expos, I dont too since the product was crappy lately. People were tired of hearing owners begging for money in order to get a new Stadium (which was stupid since we had one....). The Twins ? Cause the owner lost more than 150 millions during the last 10 years. They were poor motherfuckers like us. Honestly more teams should have been dissolved including Kansas City, Miami. You're right dissolving wasn't the solution. This has been said many times: the solution is a real redistribution like the NFL otherwise this league will be made of the Yankees, Mets, Braves, Dodgers and Arizona.
freak daddy
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I don't agree with doing away with the Twins. They have a storied franchise, with 2 World Series teams. I hate to see this. Get rid of the fuckin' Marlins instead.
freak daddy
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You can't forget Hubie Brooks!manny78 said:
BigPhysicsBastard
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Not that I want to see ANY team dissolve, but how can you choose the Twins over the Brewers??............oh that's right, that's Bud's team
"The question of whether the Minnesota Twin will continue to be a baseball franchise was answered Tuesday afternoon. The answer is maybe.
Major League owners, Meeting near Chicago, voted in favor of eliminating two teams, but have decided they will not immediately announce the teams that will be affected.
"We haven't picked the final two teams," baseball commissioner Bud Selig said adding the victims will be teams that ".. don't generate enough revenue to be competitive."
He also said many owners were in favor of eliminating four teams.
An executive of a baseball team, speaking on the condition he not be identified, says Twins owner Carl Pohlad was pushing for his team to be eliminated in exchange for a large payment. Twins president Jerry Bell declined comment.
The idea of eliminating teams is attractive to many team owners because it would give them a larger share of league television revenues, and a larger share of the any revenue sharing money.
The Metropolitan Sports Commission is threatening to sue Major League Baseball over the planned league contraction. It argues that the Twins are locked into their lease for at least one more year. "
I hate Carl Pholad, if he gets his way, Id cheer if he got slammed into by a semi driving home after getting his check. Fucking lowlife piece of shit
Major League owners, Meeting near Chicago, voted in favor of eliminating two teams, but have decided they will not immediately announce the teams that will be affected.
"We haven't picked the final two teams," baseball commissioner Bud Selig said adding the victims will be teams that ".. don't generate enough revenue to be competitive."
He also said many owners were in favor of eliminating four teams.
An executive of a baseball team, speaking on the condition he not be identified, says Twins owner Carl Pohlad was pushing for his team to be eliminated in exchange for a large payment. Twins president Jerry Bell declined comment.
The idea of eliminating teams is attractive to many team owners because it would give them a larger share of league television revenues, and a larger share of the any revenue sharing money.
The Metropolitan Sports Commission is threatening to sue Major League Baseball over the planned league contraction. It argues that the Twins are locked into their lease for at least one more year. "
I hate Carl Pholad, if he gets his way, Id cheer if he got slammed into by a semi driving home after getting his check. Fucking lowlife piece of shit
freak daddy
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Montreal has produced alot of great talent. Randy johnson,Pedro Martinez and Larry Walker are couple of other big names to leave Montreal. Could you imagine if they could have afforded to keep a team together. The Expos would have a couple of World Series.manny78 said:
Burning_Inside
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guess theyre getting rid of the teams with the stupidest names
thebabydoc
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No personal insult, Manny, but that is the typical Canadian attitude; just like socialized medicine. Have someone else pay for your shit. Where do you want the team to get money from, the 6,500 fans that came to each home game? One of the radio stations there told Loria that they would carry the games but that the Expos would have to sell the ad time themselves.manny78 said:
Bottom line, you didn't support the Expos, the Canadian government won't give pro sports teams a tax break so they can competetively compete with the American salary structure. We have the Jets (Coyotes), Denver has the Nordiques (Avalanche), Vancouver Grizzlies just moved to Memphis, Get ready to say goodbye to the Raptors, the Maple Leafs and the famous Canadiens. The Blue Jays are probably just a couple of years down the 'pike.
Sorry to say it, but Fuck Pro sports in Canada. You dug your grave now lie down in it.
thebabydoc
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As for the Twins, yes, their history and home attendance is nothing short of spectacular.
Pholad is a typical fuck of fucks team oner; trying to extort a new stadium out of the tax dollars of his city with threats of moving. He tried a few years back by saying he had a buyer with cash in hand. It was a bluff, and the city called him on it. Now the motherfucker's gonna get $250 Million from Major League Baseball to close his doors and fuck a city that, unlike Montreal, DID support the team. Damn fucking skippy it's total bullshit.
As for Loria, he's gonna be buying the Marlins and they WILL get a new stadium so he gets what he's always wanted, and American franchise. He is INCREDIBLY shrewd, because by essentially bankrupting the Expos, he kept making cash calls and when the other partners refused to pony up the cash, he did, turning his 20% stake as managing partner into a 90+% stake, knowing that a Major league buyout would net him $100's of millions. Fucking genius.
The rich get richer and we keep paying their taxes.
Pholad is a typical fuck of fucks team oner; trying to extort a new stadium out of the tax dollars of his city with threats of moving. He tried a few years back by saying he had a buyer with cash in hand. It was a bluff, and the city called him on it. Now the motherfucker's gonna get $250 Million from Major League Baseball to close his doors and fuck a city that, unlike Montreal, DID support the team. Damn fucking skippy it's total bullshit.
As for Loria, he's gonna be buying the Marlins and they WILL get a new stadium so he gets what he's always wanted, and American franchise. He is INCREDIBLY shrewd, because by essentially bankrupting the Expos, he kept making cash calls and when the other partners refused to pony up the cash, he did, turning his 20% stake as managing partner into a 90+% stake, knowing that a Major league buyout would net him $100's of millions. Fucking genius.
The rich get richer and we keep paying their taxes.
TheProject
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It's gonna be interesting to see how this shakes out. The Twins and Expos are the most prominent names mentioned, but I've also heard the Marlins, the Devil Rays, and the Angels mentioned.
I won't mind seeing the Expos go. I kinda hate to see the Twins fold, but their owner is chomping at the bit to get out.
As far as the disposition of the players, they're talking about a dispersal draft, not letting them go to the highest bidder. I don't remember the website, but there's already speculation as to which team would pick which player.
I won't mind seeing the Expos go. I kinda hate to see the Twins fold, but their owner is chomping at the bit to get out.
As far as the disposition of the players, they're talking about a dispersal draft, not letting them go to the highest bidder. I don't remember the website, but there's already speculation as to which team would pick which player.
thebabydoc said:No personal insult, Manny, but that is the typical Canadian attitude; just like socialized medicine. Have someone else pay for your shit. Where do you want the team to get money from, the 6,500 fans that came to each home game? One of the radio stations there told Loria that they would carry the games but that the Expos would have to sell the ad time themselves.
Bottom line, you didn't support the Expos, the Canadian government won't give pro sports teams a tax break so they can competetively compete with the American salary structure. We have the Jets (Coyotes), Denver has the Nordiques (Avalanche), Vancouver Grizzlies just moved to Memphis, Get ready to say goodbye to the Raptors, the Maple Leafs and the famous Canadiens. The Blue Jays are probably just a couple of years down the 'pike.
Sorry to say it, but Fuck Pro sports in Canada. You dug your grave now lie down in it.
TV: Loria was asking for an amount similar to the Yankees. The problem is the Expos weren't a good deal for any TV braodcaster. So RDS/TSN (similar to ESPN) just switched to others sports like WWF, Canadian football.....
People stopped supporting the team after the miserable trades of 1994. Nobody here was interested of supporting a Minor League club. No good player, no people in the Stadium, unless its ok.
Tax: Taxes are coming from each municipalities. Don't forget Expos weren't paying any rent for the Olympic Stadium and they never paid for any improvements. Taxes are high here and its too much. It ain't easy to have a business here but why would a baseball team pay less tax than another business ?
Now concerning the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Montreal Canadiens its obvious you lack some knowledge on these teams. Both are fuckin RICH !!! Especially the Maple Leafs but also Canadiens. Leafs have the 9th highest pay-roll of the league and the Canadiens 12th. They both own their Arena, have big TV contracts.
BTW I'm happy to see you know where is Montreal since so many americans keep thinking its some Midwest city lol
thebabydoc
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Manny:
1. Taxes
In the US businesses that bring economic benefits
to their region get tax credits/write-offs/breaks, etc...
Tax breaks are needed for pro sports in Canada because
they need to compete with the salary structure of US
teams which are their direct competetors. If one looks
at the payroll of the average pro sports franchise along
with the revenues generated from games, ticket, food,
etc... sales the government is just plain greedy. They
can have a smaller percentage and keep that revenue
or they can tax the hell out of them and then they leave
and they can collect 65% of NOTHING. Just plain stupid
government.
2. TV/Radio. Yep, like I said, Loria did that on purpose.
3. Hockey. I know the wealth of these teams. When is
the last time they won a championship? Their payrolls
are disproportionately higher due to thehigher taxes and
although they are profitable, they can and will make more
and will compete at a higher level south of the border.
Just look what happened with Eric Lindros; he refused to
play for Toronto, much was due to the taxes on his salary.
Oh yeah, I forgot the Flames and the Canucks; we're just
looking for cities to put them in right now
1. Taxes
In the US businesses that bring economic benefits
to their region get tax credits/write-offs/breaks, etc...
Tax breaks are needed for pro sports in Canada because
they need to compete with the salary structure of US
teams which are their direct competetors. If one looks
at the payroll of the average pro sports franchise along
with the revenues generated from games, ticket, food,
etc... sales the government is just plain greedy. They
can have a smaller percentage and keep that revenue
or they can tax the hell out of them and then they leave
and they can collect 65% of NOTHING. Just plain stupid
government.
2. TV/Radio. Yep, like I said, Loria did that on purpose.
3. Hockey. I know the wealth of these teams. When is
the last time they won a championship? Their payrolls
are disproportionately higher due to thehigher taxes and
although they are profitable, they can and will make more
and will compete at a higher level south of the border.
Just look what happened with Eric Lindros; he refused to
play for Toronto, much was due to the taxes on his salary.
Oh yeah, I forgot the Flames and the Canucks; we're just
looking for cities to put them in right now
thebabydoc said:Manny:
1. Taxes
In the US businesses that bring economic benefits
to their region get tax credits/write-offs/breaks, etc...
Tax breaks are needed for pro sports in Canada because
they need to compete with the salary structure of US
teams which are their direct competetors. If one looks
at the payroll of the average pro sports franchise along
with the revenues generated from games, ticket, food,
etc... sales the government is just plain greedy. They
can have a smaller percentage and keep that revenue
or they can tax the hell out of them and then they leave
and they can collect 65% of NOTHING. Just plain stupid
government.
2. TV/Radio. Yep, like I said, Loria did that on purpose.
3. Hockey. I know the wealth of these teams. When is
the last time they won a championship? Their payrolls
are disproportionately higher due to thehigher taxes and
although they are profitable, they can and will make more
and will compete at a higher level south of the border.
Just look what happened with Eric Lindros; he refused to
play for Toronto, much was due to the taxes on his salary.
Oh yeah, I forgot the Flames and the Canucks; we're just
looking for cities to put them in right now
1- Tax: They had some tax credits from Montreal (just like the montreal Canadiens) but the real problem is not there. Its the US/CND exchange rate. revenues are in CND and players need to be paid in US dollars. I remember back in the early 80's when US players wanted to be paid in CND dollars since it had more value then the US lol
2- They would be more profitable in the US ? Well what about the Lightnings, Panthers, Pittsburgh, Anaheim, Carolina ? They're all in deep financial troubles. Not to mention Hartford (now the Hurricanes). I would agree with you in some way: there's room for 3 hockey teams in Canada, Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver.
3- Montreal Canadiens won the Stanley in 1993. Toronto ? 1967 and they can wait fuckers !!!!
4- Lindros never refused to play for Toronto. Hell no ! Him and his dad Carl Lindros were looking deseperately for a trade with the Leafs but Bobby Clark fucked them up and Pat Quinn in spite of what he always pretended was not interested with him. Lindros is from TO and his was dreaming about this trade.... screw you Eric !
thebabydoc
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good reply, manny.
I was, however, refering to when Lindros first got drafted and refused to sign and instead sat out for 2 years; not this recent bout where he's pretty much worthless and any hit could be his last anyway..
I do agree with you on the financial woes of those teams but they are in terrible locals and under horrible management. Even the Coyotes. This is mostly due to the ever-escalating and ridiculous salaries. Because of the poor exchange rates and the aforementioned taxes, this will eventually also severely affect all the Canadian teams, the Leafs and the Canadien's last, of course.
Anyway, I hope it's a while until you lose those aforementioned hockey teams- it's just plain fun to continue kicking Canadian butt! (That's 8 years without the cup!!)
I was, however, refering to when Lindros first got drafted and refused to sign and instead sat out for 2 years; not this recent bout where he's pretty much worthless and any hit could be his last anyway..
I do agree with you on the financial woes of those teams but they are in terrible locals and under horrible management. Even the Coyotes. This is mostly due to the ever-escalating and ridiculous salaries. Because of the poor exchange rates and the aforementioned taxes, this will eventually also severely affect all the Canadian teams, the Leafs and the Canadien's last, of course.
Anyway, I hope it's a while until you lose those aforementioned hockey teams- it's just plain fun to continue kicking Canadian butt! (That's 8 years without the cup!!)
Ah ok now I see what you're talking about, ok you were reffering to when Lindros refused to sign with the Quebec Nordiques ! Well it wasn't for the money but because this team was the worst in the NHL (now that its the Avalanche its among the best). You mentionned the salaries, this is about to kill many teams in both NHL and MLB. As long as we'll have club owner readu to give 25 millions/year to some players, these beautiful sports will keep dugging their own grave.... At least the NFL fixed the problem many years ago.
rudedawg
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Text of Donald Fehr's reaction to baseball contraction plan
Updated 7:46 PM ET November 6, 2001
The following is the text of the response by Donald Fehr, executive director of the Major League Baseball Players Association, to the owners' decision to begin the process of contracting by two unnamed teams:
"Today's announcement by the commissioner that the clubs will attempt to immediately eliminate two as yet unnamed major league clubs is most imprudent and unfortunate. This decision has been made unilaterally, without any attempt to negotiate with the players, apparentlyl without any serious consideration of other options, including relocation, and seemingly with little concern for the interests of the fans. We consider this action to be inconsistent with the law, our contract and perhaps most important, the long-term welfare of the sport.
"Over this last season, and especially over the last several weeks, we have been reminded vividly of the special place baseball holds in America. This makes it all the more unfortunate that the clubs would choose this moment to dash the hopes of so many of its fans.
"And, of course, this is the worst manner in which to begin the process of negotiating a new collective bargaining agreement. We had hoped that we were in a new era, one that would see a much better relationship between players and owners. Today's announcement is a severe blow to such hopes."
Updated 7:46 PM ET November 6, 2001
The following is the text of the response by Donald Fehr, executive director of the Major League Baseball Players Association, to the owners' decision to begin the process of contracting by two unnamed teams:
"Today's announcement by the commissioner that the clubs will attempt to immediately eliminate two as yet unnamed major league clubs is most imprudent and unfortunate. This decision has been made unilaterally, without any attempt to negotiate with the players, apparentlyl without any serious consideration of other options, including relocation, and seemingly with little concern for the interests of the fans. We consider this action to be inconsistent with the law, our contract and perhaps most important, the long-term welfare of the sport.
"Over this last season, and especially over the last several weeks, we have been reminded vividly of the special place baseball holds in America. This makes it all the more unfortunate that the clubs would choose this moment to dash the hopes of so many of its fans.
"And, of course, this is the worst manner in which to begin the process of negotiating a new collective bargaining agreement. We had hoped that we were in a new era, one that would see a much better relationship between players and owners. Today's announcement is a severe blow to such hopes."
thebabydoc
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That's exactly right, Rude, I almost forgot. This is doefinitely another ploy by the owners to control the collective bargaining process. But please don't paint Fehr as any kind of prince either; he's as hypocritical a fuckity fuck as any of the owners save for that douchebag Selig.
Yep Manny, the Nordiques, that's what I said!!! an d look at them now. That Lindros, what a fuck, but maybe he knew something??
Yep Manny, the Nordiques, that's what I said!!!
an d look at them now. That Lindros, what a fuck, but maybe he knew something??
rudedawg
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I can't believe the Twins might be gone
This sucks. It sucks bad. I think in some ways it will be good for baseball but on the whole it is very, very bad. I am looking at all my Twins shit in my office thinking....... there will be no more Twinkies Baseball? The sweet ass Waterford Crystal baseball that Carl Pohlad handed me, Winfield 3000 Hit t-shirt signed, Erickson's No Hitter t-shirt, my pride and joy..... Puckett's personal bat that I took his ass deep with in BP, balls, hats, cards, my first Topps check for a whopping $5 ( LMAO) the hot ass wool uni we wore in the hotter ass Arlington Stadium and the memory of Erickson ripping the sleeves off because they were too tight.
Say it say Bud!!!!!!
No lockout....... I guess that is suppossed to make it ok. Well I guess all the critics that say pitching is too diluted won't be able to use that as often will they? Of course the rumors are that now the players union is going to ask for the rosters to be expanded.....good idea anyway.
A sad day on the whole for baseball is one of the happiest days in Phoenix...... the parade for the World Champion D'Backs is happening today........ they are letting 100K people in......... the party continues................................................
This sucks. It sucks bad. I think in some ways it will be good for baseball but on the whole it is very, very bad. I am looking at all my Twins shit in my office thinking....... there will be no more Twinkies Baseball? The sweet ass Waterford Crystal baseball that Carl Pohlad handed me, Winfield 3000 Hit t-shirt signed, Erickson's No Hitter t-shirt, my pride and joy..... Puckett's personal bat that I took his ass deep with in BP, balls, hats, cards, my first Topps check for a whopping $5 ( LMAO) the hot ass wool uni we wore in the hotter ass Arlington Stadium and the memory of Erickson ripping the sleeves off because they were too tight.
Say it say Bud!!!!!!
No lockout....... I guess that is suppossed to make it ok. Well I guess all the critics that say pitching is too diluted won't be able to use that as often will they? Of course the rumors are that now the players union is going to ask for the rosters to be expanded.....good idea anyway.
A sad day on the whole for baseball is one of the happiest days in Phoenix...... the parade for the World Champion D'Backs is happening today........ they are letting 100K people in......... the party continues................................................
rudedawg
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thebabydoc said:
I am well aware of what Fehr is and isn't. By the way in case anyone wants to see some attendance figures :
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/attendance
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