Experts Needed!!!! Newbie Cycle Critique

[comebackkid.]

Hello All,

I'm new here and am about to begin my first cycle. I'm going to outline it plus ask a few questions that I hope I can get some answers to. Thanks in advance.

I plan on doing 400 mg of Test Ethanate and 300 mg of Eq a week.

I will do the first dosage of Test on a Monday and the first dose of Eq on Thursday.

I will run the Test for 11 weeks

I will run the Eq for 10 weeks

I have novalex on hand in the event of side effects

I will be administering Clomid 14 days after the last Test shot and 19 days after the last Eq shot. I will do 300 mg the first day, 100mg for the following 10 days and 50 mgs for 10 days after that

I have HCG (Pregnyl) 3 amps, each 5000 i.u., but I'm not sure how to break it down. Here are some questions:

-How does one use HCG when in the 5000 iu amps as opposed to the viles? Does the whole solution have to be used right away? Can it be stored in a syringe? Refridgerated?Anyone's thoughts?

-Some places read that HCG should begin immediately after discontinuance of AAS while other read that HCG should begin after the half-live of all the various susbstances has been exausted. So what is it? The day after or after the half life? If its after the half life, does this mean that HCG administration and Clomid therapy are started at the same time? Immediately after seems wrong since you could finish the HCG and still shut down since the chemicals are still active in the body....but I thought I'd ask for clarification. What about HCG administered during the cycle? Remember, I only have 3 x 5000 iu ampules.

-Some suggest taking Novalex during the last few weeks of a cycle, even if side effects are not present to prevent estrogen from binding to the recepters in anticipation of the HCG doses. Your thoughts? Is the estrogen created from the HCG dangerous to the maintaining of gains and therefore Novalex is suggested even without the appearance of side effects?

-Does anyone have any opinions about taking clenbuterol or ephedrine after the cycle to block out the catabolic effect of the increased cortisone level? Is this necessary? Does it work? How much clen or ephedrine? When should it begin? How long should it be taken?

Thanks people.

 

[littleguy]

Tooooooo much for your first cycle in my opinion, in the old days we would take maybe 200-250 mg of test per week and had very good results with maybe adding one oral, keep your receptors fresh for as long as possible and enjoy decades of this great lifestyle.
Many on this board will disagree with my mg per week but they most likely haven't been in the game nearly as long listen to the old timers and gain slowly and steadily, and you won't suffer as many side effects either.
Of course just one guys opinion and looking out for our (juicers) health and longevity.
Cheers

 

[comebackkid.]

Tooooooo much for your first cycle in my opinion, in the old days we would take maybe 200-250 mg of test per week and had very good results with maybe adding one oral, keep your receptors fresh for as long as possible and enjoy decades of this great lifestyle.
Many on this board will disagree with my mg per week but they most likely haven't been in the game nearly as long listen to the old timers and gain slowly and steadily, and you won't suffer as many side effects either.
Of course just one guys opinion and looking out for our (juicers) health and longevity.
Cheers

Thanks for the advice, but my natural test levels hover around the amount of test you suggest taking. Why would I shut down my own natural production to replace it with an amount of synthetic test that is no greater than what I've got already? Let me know, because I'm always willing to learn.

Anyone else have answers or opinions to my questions?

 

[littleguy]

I have a naturally very high test level and if you try these reasonable doses you will see results, no you probably won't put on 35 lbs in 8 weeks, but you won't look like shit either, everyone in the 80's were taking much lower doses than are being recomended these days and there were some very awesome physiques around.
Granted we have much much more knowledge available to us now as to what is and isn't but I can assure you as a newbie more is not better.
Most guys in this gig will juice themselves out in a few years and sit around eating potato chips and between beer belches will talk about the days when "I used to work out all the time" and to look at them you will never believe it.....or you can be wise ad ride it fir a very long time.
Check some other sites and check dosing if you need to PM me I can send you in a couple of different directions to look........real doses that work for real people then and now, not saying shit about anyone that wants to overdo this it is their choice obviously, but making recomendations based on experience since begining to train in the early 80's.
cheers

 

[say111]

do the injections on the same day. dont separate them.

 

[mikefear]

Same day injects.. bump test to 500 and keep the eq at 300.. though you might want to run a test only cycle with dbol or something of the like to jumpstart.. 12 weeks..

run AIFM during cycle and through PCT.. PCT should also have some clomid and hcg (which i see you've already included).

split the doses at 250mg test and 150mg eq mon night + thursday morning. eat, train, eat, sleep. repeat.

 

[digit0x]

Same day injects.. bump test to 500 and keep the eq at 300.. though you might want to run a test only cycle with dbol or something of the like to jumpstart.. 12 weeks..

run AIFM during cycle and through PCT.. PCT should also have some clomid and hcg (which i see you've already included).

split the doses at 250mg test and 150mg eq mon night + thursday morning. eat, train, eat, sleep. repeat.

^^^^ and + K

You should def. up the test and like he said, consider test only. but mike, if he were gonna run 500 test only do you think he would need HCG?

 

[gettinripped]

Hello All,

I'm new here and am about to begin my first cycle. I'm going to outline it plus ask a few questions that I hope I can get some answers to. Thanks in advance.

I plan on doing 400 mg of Test Ethanate and 300 mg of Eq a week.

I will do the first dosage of Test on a Monday and the first dose of Eq on Thursday.

I will run the Test for 11 weeks

I will run the Eq for 10 weeks

I have novalex on hand in the event of side effects

I will be administering Clomid 14 days after the last Test shot and 19 days after the last Eq shot. I will do 300 mg the first day, 100mg for the following 10 days and 50 mgs for 10 days after that

I have HCG (Pregnyl) 3 amps, each 5000 i.u., but I'm not sure how to break it down. Here are some questions:

-How does one use HCG when in the 5000 iu amps as opposed to the viles? Does the whole solution have to be used right away? Can it be stored in a syringe? Refridgerated?Anyone's thoughts?

-Some places read that HCG should begin immediately after discontinuance of AAS while other read that HCG should begin after the half-live of all the various susbstances has been exausted. So what is it? The day after or after the half life? If its after the half life, does this mean that HCG administration and Clomid therapy are started at the same time? Immediately after seems wrong since you could finish the HCG and still shut down since the chemicals are still active in the body....but I thought I'd ask for clarification. What about HCG administered during the cycle? Remember, I only have 3 x 5000 iu ampules.

-Some suggest taking Novalex during the last few weeks of a cycle, even if side effects are not present to prevent estrogen from binding to the recepters in anticipation of the HCG doses. Your thoughts? Is the estrogen created from the HCG dangerous to the maintaining of gains and therefore Novalex is suggested even without the appearance of side effects?

-Does anyone have any opinions about taking clenbuterol or ephedrine after the cycle to block out the catabolic effect of the increased cortisone level? Is this necessary? Does it work? How much clen or ephedrine? When should it begin? How long should it be taken?

Thanks people.

read this post:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=495893

it will tell you how to mix the hcg.

next, i am currently in my 3rd week of a 10 week 250mg ew test and 60 mg ed for 8weeks of var cycle.

the hcg protocol is all over the place. i however am trying the every 3 days route. i just administered my 1st injection of hcg @ 250iu's this morning. i'll do these every 3 days throughout. also, get aifm and hold on to the nolva, you'll be much happier and dryer. i'd save the eq for another run and add a good oral like var,winny....just my .02 though.

i am really happy so far. 2 full weeks in and I'm seeing good progress. this is my 1st real cycle. like someone said above, keep the doses low and the receptors clean. in the long run you'll thank yourself. i only plan on doing like 2 cycles per year maybe even 1 depending on the progress i make with the 1st. i dont wanna have to run 1g of test a week just to get any results.

good luck and read alot. i read here for nearly 1 year before jumping into a real cycle with injectibles and pct.

 

[slat1]

Thanks for the advice, but my natural test levels hover around the amount of test you suggest taking. Why would I shut down my own natural production to replace it with an amount of synthetic test that is no greater than what I've got already? Let me know, because I'm always willing to learn.

Anyone else have answers or opinions to my questions?

I'm calling bullshit. I work with an endo. You are telling me your natural test levels are 3,000 ng/dl!?!?!?!? No way!
250mgs of test a week will put you at 3,000 ng/dl. The normal reference range is 300 to 1,200.

 

[slat1]

BTW. I went from 200 to 220 on ten weeks of 250mgs of test ent. Your diet drives your results.
I am 256 right now. I have never used more then 500mgs of test.