Expertise needed with 2nd cycle

[IronJunkey]

Hi everyone,

I am a 5'8" male, 23 years old. I am in the process of planning out my second cycle. My first cycle consisted of 200mg deca/week and 300mg test enanthate/week. I went from 172lbs. - 202 lbs. I used nolva and clomid for PCT. After the completion of my cycle I lost 9 lbs. I now weigh in at 193lbs. For this second cycle I hope to gain 25 lbs. However, I do not want to gain the same type of weight I gained of my first cycle (bloated muscle from water retention). Can anyone suggest a potential cycle that would promote noticible size/strength gains, as well as very little water retention and bloat?

Thanks,

Jarman

 

[Mac173]

1-16 test e 500
1-16 eq 600

 

[UFC22]

Did you use an AI your first cycle because that changes things entirely.

 

[IronJunkey]

Yes, I used nolva for PCT, but nothing throughout cycle...

 

[daveyboy2345]

you seem like you received great results from your 1st cycle i say repeat it again with more test. 500mgs test., keep the Deca at 200mgs again but use an AI DURING your cycle and Nolvadex for afterwards with that AI.



pct...Nolva 20mgs, 5 weeks,
Aromasin 20mgs, 3 weeks and throughout cycle

 

[bmcadoo44]

1-16 test e 500
1-16 eq 600

agreed. you could make throw some dbol to kickstart and also primo would be nice.

 

[needtogetaas]

agreed. you could make throw some dbol to kickstart and also primo would be nice.

and end the cycle with winny.ding ding.

 

[IronJunkey]

Test E at 500 mg/week along with Eq at 500mg/week sounds like a tempting cycle...however, both of these compounds are used as bulkers correct? This also means that I would gain a considerable amount of bloat and water retention? If I were to use these compounds for my 2nd cycle, how would I avoid the bloat that is usually associated with them?

And if I were to kick-start the cycle with 4 weeks of D-bol, this would give me heavy bloat as well due to it's high aromatization rate correct?

Is there a way to put on muscle mass like one would during a bulking cycle, but have the gains be leaner and with more definition?

 

[Ulter]

No they are not just used for bulking. Bulking and cutting are determined by your caloric intake, not your steroids. And EQ wouldn't put enough mass on you to bulk with. Do as was posted test/eq 500/500 and don't leave out the AI this time. Nolva is NOT an AI. It's poorly suited for cycling. I suggest you use AIFM throughout the cycle and PCT.