Experienced GH users, advice given to me...

[nsashbl01]

I am thinking of using some GH only to help heal some shoulder issues. I was going to use some NPP or Deca, but my doc doesn't like that idea. He's cool with GH and I'm not getting it from him. So I asked two friends for advise. One who is an MD, emailed me this. Thought some of you may be interested in seeing the email. Here is is.......

DUDE, SORRY I MISSED YOUR CALL I WAS DOWN SOUTH GETTING gH. GH, ISN'T IT GREAT? IF YOUR LOOKING TO HEEL ON gH YOU MIGHT CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING; gH IS LIPOTROPIC. IT CONDENSES THE MUSCLE BY PACKING THE FIBERS CLOSER TOGETHER DUE TO GETTING RID OF THE FAT CELLS THAT ARE BEETWEEN EACH FIBER CELL. GROWTH IS ALSO ACHEIVED DUE TO IT'S TRNA ACTIVITY. TESTOSTERONE ( ANY KIND) LUBRICATES THE TENDONE AND LIGAMENTS BY FORCING FAT AND WATER INTO THE FIBERS AND JOINTS, HINCE THE GAINS IN STRENGTH AND MASS. SO WHAT TO DO? USE THE gH IN SMALL SPURATIC AMOUNTS TO MIMIC YOUR BOD'S OWN NATURAL PRODUCTION, BUT ON A ONE DAY ON ONE DAY OFF ROUTINE ( START WITH 2I.U AND CYCLE UP TO 4 I.U. 'S AND BACK DOWN AND BACK UP AGAIN) STACK PRIMOBOLAN OR BETTER PARABOLAN TO GET THE LUBRICATION AND THE KILLER GAINS. I WOULD THEN TAKE DECANDIOL IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR CYCLE TO CLEAR UP YOUR TEST. RECEPTORS AND THE PROGESTERONE-ESTROGEN AXIS WILL HELP YOU(ONLY USE FOR ONE WEEK ONLY AT 75mg/DAY) THE WHOLE IDEA OF THIS USE IS NEGATIVE FEEDBACK. IF NOTHING ELSE WORKS FOR YOU (BITE THE BULLET) AND TAKE THREE FULL MONTHS OFF OF EVERYTHING.ASK YOUR DR. IF DECADRON( NOT DECA-DURABOLIN) WILL HELP THE INJURED MUSCLE. NEVER TAKE A CORTICOL-STERIOD WITH gH, NEVER. HOPE IT'S HELFULL KEEP ME POSTED. MR. M

 

[satchboogie]

bump for a good bro

 

[nsashbl01]

Here's the reply when I told my friend that I planned to do gh only.

DOING GH BY ITS SELF WILL GET YOU MINIMAL RESULTS, GH NEEDS ANDROGENS, TSH 3, ANABOLICS AND INSULIN IN ORDER FOR YOUR LIVER TO PRODUCE Igf-1.

 

[nsashbl01]

Come on guys. Someone has got to have an opinion on this blurb??

 

[poantrex]

Come on guys. Someone has got to have an opinion on this blurb??

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GH does NOT need T3. This is a misconception due to the fact that one early study on GH showed lower serum Thyroxine (which is not T3) while using GH - BUT, Free T3 is _signifigantly_ elevated while using exo-HGH.
There is no need to supplement with additional thyroid hormone when using GH.

Effects of recombinant growth hormone therapy on thyroid hormone concentrations.

Kalina-Faska B, Kalina M, Koehler B.

Department of Pediatric Endocrinology and Diabetes, Medical University of Silesia, Katowice, Poland. [email protected]

BACKGROUND AND OBJECTIVE: There are numerous, often contradictory reports on the effects of growth hormone (GH) therapy on thyroid function. The aim of this study was to assess the effect of such therapy on serum concentrations of thyroid hormones in GH-deficient children euthyroid prior to the treatment, and to determine the necessity of thyroid hormone administration in these patients. MATERIAL AND METHODS: The study included 32 GH-deficient patients in the first stage of sexual development, in whom disorders of thyroid function could be excluded. The inclusion criteria were based on clinical examination and levels of thyroxine (T4), triiodothyronine (T3), free thyroxine (fT4), free triiodothyronine (fT3), reverse triiodothyronine (rT3), thyrotropin (TSH) before and after stimulation with thyrotropin-releasing hormone (TRH). Recombinant growth hormone (rGH) (Genotropin 16U, Pharmacia) was administered at a dose of 0.7 U/kg/week. Fasting blood samples were drawn before treatment and after 3, 6, 9 and 12 months of therapy. Thyroid hormones were measured using RIA and IRMA methods. RESULTS: There were no physical signs of hypothyroidism in the patients examined during 12 months of rGH administration, and the satisfactory growth rate was achieved. T4 levels decreased in the first 3 months but remained within the normal range, and then returned to the values prior to the treatment. A similar trend was observed for fF4, with 28.5% of patients exhibiting fF4 levels below the normal in the 3rd month. An increase during the first 3 months of therapy was observed in the cases of T3 (statistically non-significant) and fT3, and these values then fell to levels within the normal range of patients' age. During treatment, TSH levels decreased but remained within the normal range. CONCLUSIONS: A transient decrease in T4 concentrations in the 3rd month with unchanged T3 and an increase in fT3 concentrations probably result from the effect of rGH on the peripheral metabolism of thyroid hormones. The results obtained do not support the use of thyroid hormone therapy with levothyroxine during the first year of rGH therapy in patients who are initially euthyroid.

PMID: 14756384 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Effects of short-term growth hormone treatment on PTH, calcitriol, thyroid hormones, insulin and glucagon.

Brixen K, Nielsen HK, Bouillon R, Flyvbjerg A, Mosekilde L.

University Department of Endocrinology and Metabolism, Aarhus County Hospital, Denmark.

We measured changes in serum insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1), calcitriol, parathyroid hormone (PTH), thyroid hormones, insulin, and plasma glucagon in response to seven days of treatment with a pharmacological dosage of recombinant human growth hormone (r-hGH) (0.1 IU/kg sc twice daily) or placebo in 20 normal male volunteers to evaluate whether the effect of r-hGH on biochemical bone markers could be attributed to changes in these hormones. Serum IGF-1 (p < 0.001) and vitamin D-binding protein (p < 0.001) increased steadily during treatment returning to baseline at day 14. Total calcitriol (p < 0.01) and free calcitriol index (p < 0.001) increased transiently at day 4. Furthermore, serum insulin (p < 0.001) and both total (p < 0.001) and free triiodothyronine (p < 0.02) increased during treatment, while serum PTH and plasma glucagon remained unchanged. In conclusion, pharmacological doses of r-hGH increased not only IGF-1 but also free-calcitriol index, insulin, and free T3. The increase in these hormones may be co-responsible for some of the observed effects of r-hGH on bone turnover and calcium homeostasis.
Publication Types:

* Clinical Trial
* Controlled Clinical Trial

 

[HGH man]

If you have a chance to take HGH I'd say take it. Eat like crazy and you will still put on muscle and lose fat.You may well reap some other benifits from GH as well . Depending how long you are on.As far a taking deca ,you may get limp dick but If it is a small dose for lubrication purposes. As for taking primobolan ,I took 500 mg a week for 10 weeks and I got leaner and put muscle on. Do some test also just to increase your overall strength. I am on Armour,test enthanate,cortisone acetate,and cabergoline. I take 4 iu's a day and have taken 8 to 10 ius a day. Go for it. It will help.

 

[bbkingpinn]

If you have a chance to take HGH I'd say take it. Eat like crazy and you will still put on muscle and lose fat.You may well reap some other benifits from GH as well . Depending how long you are on.As far a taking deca ,you may get limp dick but If it is a small dose for lubrication purposes. As for taking primobolan ,I took 500 mg a week for 10 weeks and I got leaner and put muscle on. Do some test also just to increase your overall strength. I am on Armour,test enthanate,cortisone acetate,and cabergoline. I take 4 iu's a day and have taken 8 to 10 ius a day. Go for it. It will help.

What is cabergoline for and where do you get some?
Also, why take cortisone? The post above says never take cortical steroids with hGH.

 

[HGH man]

Cabergoline is similar to bromocriptine. I have a pituitary tumor since 86. There is nothing wrong with taking cortisone acetate,alot of people get that confused with cortisol.