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Evolutionary Fitness

Interesting. While I agree that working out immediately after a huge meal is stupid, I don't see how working out in a fasted state is condusive to making any kind of progress or getting any kind of a quality workout.

Now, as far as meal frequency and eating habbits. Total calories and what those calories are comprised of plays more of a role in fat storage than meal frequency does in my opinion. I agree with him that most bodybuilders don't practice the best offseason eating habbits, the reason many bodybuilders get fat offseason isn't due to eating 8 small meals a day, it is because they go to Taco Bell and McDonalds and stuff themselves until they can't move just for he sake of gaining weight.

I agree that prehistoric people were in better physical condition than the average sedintary American is today. However, science also evolves, and I think today's elite, well-trained athletes, who have a system with respect to training and nutrition would demolish any caveman at just about any physical activity. Tell me a prehistoric man is in better shape than Lance Armstrong......

I do see a lot of where this guy is coming from, and as a Dr, he obviously knows how to use science to back himself up, but I think his ideas would benefit a sedintary person. I think if an elite athlete switched to these methods they would see a SEVERE decline in performance.

Also, I don't know how equated flushing a muscle with lactic acid and getting a burn to GH release. Does curling a 5 lb dumbell 1000 times and getting a burn release a lot of gh?? I know he said he does ets of about 15-8-4....but still, I don't consider going after a burn to be the best way o build functional strength.
 
While I agree that working out immediately after a huge meal is stupid,

Ok, is this just after a huge meal? Or any meal in general? I usually workout after I 've eaten, but it's one of my six meals of the day so it's not huge, is that wrong? Why? Or sometimes I wait 30min after I eat, or an hour. But sometimes it's right after I've eaten.
 
Interesting article with way too many "what about..."

Having done early morning workouts for 2 years, I can agree it is a great way to start the day. But there is no way I was anywhere close to the poundages I am at with afternoon workouts (body weight vs. weight lifted might have been better with early morning workouts, would have to double check). And no way, NO WAY, I would try snatches or cleans at 5:30 am after being up for 30/45 minutes.

Big questions - he advocates this lifestyle -
1_ 100,000 years ago we only lived to 30, maybe 40 at the most. How is someone now approaching 70 carrying the same genes as his ancestors?

2_ Dr. De Vany started "working out" at age 14. Did our ancestors follow the same routine as him? Dietary? Is he following their routines?

3_ Just how long had he been following this Evolutionary Fitness? The article mentions his olympic lifting efforts.... CoolJ, you and I both know the workout routines this mandates. How much of a soviet squat cycle or bulgarian split did our ancestors do? The good doctor seems to have lifted as an oly lifter, a body builder, and NOW an evolutionist. How much impact did his early lifting/dietary habits have on his current health?


Too many variables for perhaps a 1 in 1,000,000 example.
 
Ill stick to the 5-6 meals a day. Something he STRICKLY doesnt like. He talks about that on his website quite abit.
 
i found the article very interesting. read through the thread too, good stuff.

i do think that evolutionary fitness is just about the opposite of what he is about though...
 
HMMM Read that again:

Yes, you read that right: 208 pounds, 8% body fat, bursting with energy… at age 68. Most 40 years olds today could only dream of being as fit as De Vany.

"I'm never sick," he says, "and I can do anything I want to do. Everyone should or could be this way."


SO let me get this right; a doctor, who has stats like a bodybuilder. I can smell steriods! I wonder if neanderthals were poping vars and shooting sust and eq...
 
Having done early morning workouts for 2 years, I can agree it is a great way to start the day. But there is no way I was anywhere close to the poundages I am at with afternoon workouts (body weight vs. weight lifted might have been better with early morning workouts, would have to double check). And no way, NO WAY, I would try snatches or cleans at 5:30 am after being up for 30/45 minutes.

Why do you think that is? Also any response to my other question up there?
 
I thought the article was quite thought provoking. But that being said, I agree with mekannik and muskateer about our 'ancestors'. Equating neadrethals from 100K years ago to us now is like comparing apples and oranges. Yes, they are both fruit, but that's about where it ends. Yes we have some similarities as those ancestors, due to how we've evolved (I hate that word), but that where it ends. Everyone is not the same and won't respond the same to the same stimulus.
 
Empty Wallet, sorry for the delayed response.

What I meant was you wouldn't want to eat something like Meatloaf, mashed potatos, etc before a workout, you'll probably get sick, plus your body wastes energy digesting it.....something easily digestable like a banana or a pb sandwich, things like that are what I eat, maybe some oatmeal........
 
hell, I can smell the roids coming out of that dude's pores through my monitor!! k, not so much =//

about eating 3x a day I agree, I don't think it's too valuable for bodybuilders to increase their metabolism. on the other hand, I do agree its very useful to burn fat and keep lean body mass

he states that people should do their workouts in famine (ie. in the morning after you wakeup) and that people shouldn't ingest carb + prot after a workout because that screws up the GH levels and it increases insulin levels. I found that a weird statement (although it's a very controversial topic) and went after something to backup my lack of trust in this "doctor"

I'll post small parts of an article

Volek JS. Influence of nutrition on responses to resistance training.
[Journal Article] Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise.
36(4):689-96, 2004 Apr.

"Carbohydrate and protein intake significantly alters circulating
metabolites and the hormonal milieu (i.e., insulin, testosterone,
growth hormone, and cortisol), as well as the response of muscle
protein and glycogen balance."

and

"Infusion of amino acids or exogenous administration of amino acids
with or without carbohydrate stimulates protein synthesis after
exercise (2,4,45,59). Compared with placebo, carbohydrate intake (1 g
glucose·kg-1 body mass) immediately and 1 h after a bout of resistance
exercise resulted in higher plasma glucose and insulin, decreased
myofibrillar protein breakdown and urea nitrogen excretion, and
slightly increased fractional muscle protein synthetic rate (50).
These favorable effects of carbohydrate intake on protein balance were
achieved from a simple redistribution of the timing of the subject’s
habitual dietary energy intake. Consumption of both protein and
carbohydrate results in even greater effects on protein balance.
Protein synthesis was stimulated ~400% above preexercise values when a
protein and carbohydrate supplement (6 g essential amino acids and 35
g sucrose) was consumed 1 or 3 h after a bout of resistance exercise
(45). Consumption of this same protein and carbohydrate supplement
immediately before exercise resulted in increased amino acid delivery
to muscle and greater net muscle protein synthesis compared with
consumption of the supplement at various times after exercise (58).
These effects were evident in both men and women. In summary, there
appears to be an interaction between increased availability of amino
acids and increased insulin after exercise and the timing of
supplement ingestion (i.e., immediately before exercise) may be
important to maximize the anabolic response (58). Consumption of a
protein-carbohydrate supplement at times around exercise (i.e.,
immediately before and immediately after exercise) may provide the
ideal anabolic situation for muscle growth.

The amino acid composition is an important consideration when
examining the effects of protein feeding. Essential amino acids have
been shown to be primary regulators of muscle protein synthesis with
little contribution from nonessential amino acids (54,59,60). The
branched-chain amino acids, particularly leucine, appear to be the
most important stimulators of skeletal muscle protein synthesis (31).
Recent work indicates that it is the extracellular levels of essential
amino acids in the blood that regulate muscle protein synthesis as
opposed to intramuscular amino acids (8). Certain amino acids may also
regulate protein breakdown (30); however, these affects appear to be
less important in magnitude than those controlling protein synthesis
at physiological concentrations of amino acids."

and

"Supplying additional protein or amino acids may augment adaptations
to training but precise timing of protein intake may enhance the
response further. A recent study in elderly men investigated the
effect of timing of protein-carbohydrate supplementation on muscle
size and strength responses to 12 wk of resistance training (14). The
supplement (10 g protein, 7 g carbohydrate) was consumed immediately
or 2 h after each training session. The group who ingested the
supplement immediately after exercise had significantly greater
increases in (mean ± SEM) lean body mass (1.8 ± 0.7% vs -1.5 ± 0.7%),
muscle fiber area (22 ± 6% vs -5 ± 6%), and quadriceps femoris area (7
± 1% vs no change). These data indicate that altering the timing of
calories, without altering the amount consumed, can impact chronic
adaptation to training. Specifically, early intake of protein and
carbohydrate after a workout is more effective at increasing skeletal
muscle hypertrophy and lean body mass than a supplement consumed
later. These findings are in conflict with a study that showed no
differences in acute measures of protein balance when protein was
ingested 1 or 3 h after exercise in healthy young subjects (45). This
apparent discrepancy related to timing of protein ingestion highlights
the importance of linking acute studies that measure protein kinetics
to long-term training studies that assess outcome measures related to
muscle size."
 
necr0potenc3 said:
hell, I can smell the roids coming out of that dude's pores through my monitor!! k, not so much =//
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You said it, lol.

Excellent post though. I find the best way to solve a controversial training issue is just to experiment on yourself. Over the past 13 years, I lifted weights on an empty stomach once .....it was the worst workout of my life and I never did it again.

I can't obviously post something like I just said to back me up.....so thanks for digging up the science.

If anybody doesn't believe what you posted, give the Doctor's training and nutrition advice a try......don't use Gh and Test, and see how crappy your workouts are.
 
musketeer said:
AFter all the criticism though, I would like to think that I'll be that well off at 70!

Yeah, respect does need to be given where it is due. For any age, the guy looks phenomenal.
 
I believe he is right that the body adapts to whatever you use it for (train). He is obviously extremely active all the time and his body shows it. It's great to hear there is another prime example, other than Jack LaLane, of someone taking excellent fitness into their 70's.

Very cool.
 
delphiOne said:
I believe he is right that the body adapts to whatever you use it for (train). He is obviously extremely active all the time and his body shows it. It's great to hear there is another prime example, other than Jack LaLane, of someone taking excellent fitness into their 70's.

Very cool.

Although Jack LaLane would tell you he owes it all to juicing :p
 
BiggT said:
Empty Wallet, sorry for the delayed response.

What I meant was you wouldn't want to eat something like Meatloaf, mashed potatos, etc before a workout, you'll probably get sick, plus your body wastes energy digesting it.....something easily digestable like a banana or a pb sandwich, things like that are what I eat, maybe some oatmeal........

Ah it's cool man don't worry about. Thanks for the clarifycation!
 
some great points in there.. but yeah they didn't live very long in cave man days... so I think there is some good things to follow but the diet is a very personal thing.. what works for one person may not work for another... so I dont think he should be so close minded about that subject...

but great read thank you for the link!!
 
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