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[mono_1]

Sup 32 6' 220 bf 11% lifting off and on 12 yrs 2 yrs steady
did a cycle 5 months ago
test 600 mg wk 11wks
deca 400 mg 9 wks
aifm and pct good gains

Want to put on some more size and get hard

I'm looking to run
test 600 mg wk 15 m/thur
eq 600 mg wk 15 m/thur
dbol wk 1 30mg ed
wks 2-3-4 40mg ed as long as sides are not bad
Proviron 50 mg ed 15 wks
aifm during cycle and for pct

i have hcg arimidex clomid and nolvadex

not sure about hcg during cycle i guess if my boys start to shrink then use i would like to know dosages plz

pct hcg for 10 days aftert last injection and clomid starts after hcg 50 mg for 25 to 30 days

nolvadex as needed during cycle and pct

What about arimidex during cycle or what?

and do i take baby aspirin during my cycle for the eq?
Diet is in check i eat every 2.5 hours protein is high

SO HOW DOES IT LOOK ANY INFO WHOULD BE GREAT!!

 

[Primordial Performance]

IF you start HCG right off the start of the cycle you will only need 250iu EOD. If you want longer to run it (2-3 weeks in) then you will need a high dose of 500iu EOD to stimulate the testes. The longer you wait to use it, the higher dose you will need, and the higher the likelihood that your testes will not regain full function.

BTW, using testicular size is not a good way to measure testosterone secretory capacity. The testosterone producing powerhouses (leydigs) only make up a small percentage of the total testes volume. You can have ½ the secretory capacity, with almost full testicular size. Use the HCG on the cycle to keep your legdigs going full fledge. This will ensure you recover much faster and allow you to hold on to your gains.

AIFM is not a good PCT choice. ATD is steroidal based, and is too strong of an AI, and it will inhibit recovery. Running it on cycle is fine, and if you do that you shouldn’t need the Arimidex. Also, don’t run Nolva during cycle unless you have some gyno emergency.

-Pp

 

[needtogetaas]

IF you start HCG right off the start of the cycle you will only need 250iu EOD. If you want longer to run it (2-3 weeks in) then you will need a high dose of 500iu EOD to stimulate the testes. The longer you wait to use it, the higher dose you will need, and the higher the likelihood that your testes will not regain full function.

BTW, using testicular size is not a good way to measure testosterone secretory capacity. The testosterone producing powerhouses (leydigs) only make up a small percentage of the total testes volume. You can have ½ the secretory capacity, with almost full testicular size. Use the HCG on the cycle to keep your legdigs going full fledge. This will ensure you recover much faster and allow you to hold on to your gains.

AIFM is not a good PCT choice. ATD is steroidal based, and is too strong of an AI, and it will inhibit recovery. Running it on cycle is fine, and if you do that you shouldn’t need the Arimidex. Also, don’t run Nolva during cycle unless you have some gyno emergency.

-Pp

good advice...

 

[mono_1]

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[ghettostudmuffin]

So what's up with the on cycle recommendation for hcg vs the usual 10 days straight after last in ject or 3x a week for 3 weeks?

Is that do to amount used on the cycle and length of time on?

Does using hcg consistently for long periods of time cause desensitization?

 

[mono_1]

keep it comming

 

[digit0x]

So what's up with the on cycle recommendation for hcg vs the usual 10 days straight after last in ject or 3x a week for 3 weeks?

Is that do to amount used on the cycle and length of time on?

Does using hcg consistently for long periods of time cause desensitization?

this makes PP angry.

 

[Primordial Performance]

So what's up with the on cycle recommendation for hcg vs the usual 10 days straight after last in ject or 3x a week for 3 weeks?

Is that do to amount used on the cycle and length of time on?

Does using hcg consistently for long periods of time cause desensitization?

Using HCG after a cycle just makes for more inhibition. Using a lower dose like I recommended will not desensitize the testes, and it will actually keep them from desensitizing (from lack of stimulation). You only see desensitization after getting into higher dosages like 2500-10,000iu.

Anyone who doesn’t run HCG on cycle is making a huge mistake IMO.

-Pp

 

[Stryker1992]

Using HCG after a cycle just makes for more inhibition. Using a lower dose like I recommended will not desensitize the testes, and it will actually keep them from desensitizing (from lack of stimulation). You only see desensitization after getting into higher dosages like 2500-10,000iu.

Anyone who doesn’t run HCG on cycle is making a huge mistake IMO.

-Pp

Actually, I completely agree with pp on this.

 

[jmead]

i have just recently started running hcg while ON because of all the recent posts.. well see how pct goes this time..

PP hit all the points in your cycle

 

[solidspine]

That’s a great cycle, EQ and Test, d-bol, love it


I would do my HGC 10 days at 500iu every day, if you have more do 1000iu every day, no reason to mess around, get your nuts back in action making test.

No one above mentioned, but take Nolvadex with the HGC, it can too can give you gyno.



You may not need, Clomid, save it for another cycle.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

Ok, so running small doses of hcg during cycle is good.

This sounds like a fairly new idea based off response from many of the bros on the forum being used to running it at the end.

Anything that gets the body up and running quicker is better though.

I assume you recommend the hcg 250iu eod during cycle even on something as low as 250 mg test a week because it still shuts you down liek a higher dose?

Based off what you've said I would guess that for my first cycle coming up I'd do Test E 250mg e5d, 10mg aromasin ed for bloat control, and 250iu eod from the beginning for a 10 week cycle.

If that sounds good, how would you end pct for cycle? run 250iu hcg for 10 days straight with 20mg nolva ed and then nolkva onyl for 3 more weeks?

Sorry, not trying to thread jack here.

 

[jmead]

you probably wouldnt need the HCG PCT, you kept your balls from atrophy while running it EOD throughout.. and id go e3d with the enanthate start the nolva 14-21 days after your last injection use aromasin during pct as needed..

 

[Primordial Performance]

Ok, so running small doses of hcg during cycle is good.

This sounds like a fairly new idea based off response from many of the bros on the forum being used to running it at the end.

Anything that gets the body up and running quicker is better though.

I assume you recommend the hcg 250iu eod during cycle even on something as low as 250 mg test a week because it still shuts you down liek a higher dose?

Based off what you've said I would guess that for my first cycle coming up I'd do Test E 250mg e5d, 10mg aromasin ed for bloat control, and 250iu eod from the beginning for a 10 week cycle.

If that sounds good, how would you end pct for cycle? run 250iu hcg for 10 days straight with 20mg nolva ed and then nolkva onyl for 3 more weeks?

Sorry, not trying to thread jack here.

Yes, as jmead pointed out, you wont need the HCG for PCT if you run it during the cycle. The 250iu dose still applies, and really has nothing to do with the dose of steroids you are using.

As a alternative to nolva/aromasin you could run Dermacrine Sustain. Despite the fact that we sell it, I actually do believe it to be more effective and safer for PCT. I don’t touch clomid or nolva anymore.

-Pp

 

[Mac173]

So what's up with the on cycle recommendation for hcg vs the usual 10 days straight after last in ject or 3x a week for 3 weeks?

Is that do to amount used on the cycle and length of time on?

Does using hcg consistently for long periods of time cause desensitization?

It's just another way to do things.
Some like to run it during and some post.
Try both ways and see what works best for you.
There really isn't a right or wrong way.

 

[Primordial Performance]

It's just another way to do things.
Some like to run it during and some post.
Try both ways and see what works best for you.
There really isn't a right or wrong way.

Mac,

I see many benefits to running HCG during the cycle, and many flaw to running it after a cycle, hence why I believe on cycle HCG use is the “right” way.

What benefit do you see for running HCG post cycle anyway?

-Pp

 

[tshoot]

Mac,

I see many benefits to running HCG during the cycle, and many flaw to running it after a cycle, hence why I believe on cycle HCG use is the “right” way.

What benefit do you see for running HCG post cycle anyway?

-Pp

I have to agree with Pp on this also. I ran HCG during my cycle this time at 500iu per week and a seem to be recovering in PCT much sooner this time. Also, trying Dermacrine Sustain for PCT (first week into PCT) and am pretty happy with the results so far but I'll know more in the next couple of weeks. Also have clomid as a backup if needed.

 

[Stryker1992]

Yes, as jmead pointed out, you wont need the HCG for PCT if you run it during the cycle. The 250iu dose still applies, and really has nothing to do with the dose of steroids you are using.

As a alternative to nolva/aromasin you could run Dermacrine Sustain. Despite the fact that we sell it, I actually do believe it to be more effective and safer for PCT. I don’t touch clomid or nolva anymore.

-Pp

Wait, you use steroids?

 

[needtogetaas]

Wait, you use steroids?

he dose

 

[mono_1]

nice info guys
Thanks Mono

 

[mono_1]

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