Everyone here needs to do a virus check on their system...!

[SofaGeorge]

Okay, this has been going on for a long long time. One dumbass here (or two) has the Klez virus. This virus uses your email address book to send out emails (to everyone in your address book/from everyone in your address book.)

Everyone here needs to update their .dat files on their virus scan program and run a complete scan on their system.

If you do not think you need to do this - you are probably the a-hole that has the virus.

Why is this so important? Because this dumbass has the names of many reliable sources in his address book. With the Klez virus automatically sending out emails - he is sending the names of confidential sources to everyone on the planet... including very likeley the Feds who troll these boards.

 

[AustinTX]

bump

 

[Zyglamail]

Good idea but even if ya dont have a virus scanner you can go to symantec.com and use the free online one.

 

[Nico Cujo]

I use symantec weekly.

 

[Riker29]

Or just get a Mac.

 

[Sinistar]

i run norton weekly, but i had the klez virus sent to me. mcafee caught it and i didnt accept it. norton would catch it right? saying somehow i still got it?

 

[sk*]

Or just get a Mac.

Yea, then throw it out and get a pic again.

-sk

 

[Riker29]

Yea, then throw it out and get a pic again.

-sk

LOL, yeah, keep checking for those viruses bro.

 

[jh1]

http://housecall.trendmicro.com/housecall/start_corp.asp

Go to the above link... it will automatically start scanning your computer...

fucking idiots... who runs a computer without anti-virus?

Norton will catch it.. to whomever it was that asked..

And Riker... MACs SUCK...

 

[sk*]

LOL, yeah, keep checking for those viruses bro.

Bro, what makes you think mac viruses are impossible? They are, it's only a computer. Never looked into macs, but I am sure there are many viruses running out there. Most people go and make viruses for pc's cause they don't really consider a mac a computer, haha, and know noone with anything important on their computer would use a mac.

-sk

 

[Crankin'steiN]

MAC's suck dick.... If they didn't then they would be the bigger part of the market...... And major companies would use them.....

BTW: A Virus software that automatically checks my computer is no hassle compared to the shit I would have to fix daily if I had a mac......

 

[jh1]

MAC's suck dick.... If they didn't then they would be the bigger part of the market...... And major companies would use them.....

BTW: A Virus software that automatically checks my computer is no hassle compared to the shit I would have to fix daily if I had a mac......

LOL

BTW - many mass mailing viruses - like Klez - use outlook as their host they are OS agnostic.

and the MAC OS *is* a virus.... heheh

 

[musclebones]

Or just get a Mac.

 

[sk*]

MAC's suck dick.... If they didn't then they would be the bigger part of the market......

You could not be any more wrong my friend. There have been much much better computers than both macs and pc's but they couldn't hang because of economical problems and lack of advertisement.

BTW, macs ARE better computers than pcs if you look strictly at the hardware ... , but since most programs are only for pcs this changes everything a lot. The program development, specially from microsoft, has changed pcs to the better and if you include the progams and the OS too while judging the computer, then pcs are much much better.

I think I got a couple run-ons in there lol.

-sk

 

[sk*]

BTW, a mac is pretty much a serious developer's nightmare. It has such a bad restriction on your ability to deal with system level things. Used to be that macs were mainly used for graphics development, but then came the many programs like photoshop.

-sk

 

[scruples]

BTW, macs ARE better computers than pcs if you look strictly at the hardware ...

sorry to perpetuate this off-topic shit, but that statement is no longer true... mac hardware is sorely lagging behind currently available PCs

 

[sk*]

sorry to perpetuate this off-topic shit, but that statement is no longer true... mac hardware is sorely lagging behind currently available PCs

I don't necessarily mean the "speed" or "memory" of a mac. You notice how you don't need a special OS with a mac as you need something like Windows with a pc? Point is that it's all built in in a mac but Gates stole the idea and incorporated in a pc. Don't get me wrong, I love pcs much more but macs ARE better computers if you look at them in raw.

-sk

 

[scruples]

You notice how you don't need a special OS with a mac as you need something like Windows with a pc?

i think it's called Mac OS?? you can run other OSs on Mac hardware...

 

[sk*]

i think it's called Mac OS?? you can run other OSs on Mac hardware...

I thought "MAC OS" was built in? I guess I am wrong here though, I never really experimented with macs ... but always thought the OS was built in?

-sk

 

[Zyglamail]

http://housecall.trendmicro.com/housecall/start_corp.asp

fucking idiots... who runs a computer without anti-virus?

I dont use virus software on any of my 5 systems and ive never been infected. Its called educating yourself on what can be potentially dangerous. Most virus apps are junk and there is usually plenty of time an infected file can skean in before their definitions are updated. The best defense is knowing what your doing when you sitting behind a computer.

 

[jh1]

I dont use virus software on any of my 5 systems and ive never been infected. Its called educating yourself on what can be potentially dangerous. Most virus apps are junk and there is usually plenty of time an infected file can skean in before their definitions are updated. The best defense is knowing what your doing when you sitting behind a computer.

Zyg - No offense ... but you are dead wrong here.

Viruses can be extremely dangerous - they can delete files, they can even send out files to random people or to targeted people - imagine some confidential files being sent out to random people via email. Or worse - programs like BackOrifice (BO2K) or NetRunner - shit people could be controlling your computer PCAnywhere style or listening to everything you say via your own computer microphone.. wrap your mind around that. Think this is science fiction? Think again... these are real trojan programs that exist in the wild...

Very bad practice...

Also - the virus companies respond VERY VERY VERY quickly nowadys... the chances of you as an individual contracting a virus prior to a pattern being released by the anti-virus companies is a kin to being struck by Lightening....

Frankly your attitude of complancency is what keeps viruses in circulation. If everyone was dilligent viruses would have a half life shorter than that of 1mg of Test Suspension...

 

[Riker29]

Anyone runng any flavor of Windoze without anti-virus software is an idiot. I CAN be done if you totally innoculate your systems and watch EVERY move you make.

Many of you guys are embarrasing yourselves. Wake up.

You are about as much of an "expert" on computers as most employess of GNC are about supplements.

I am running Mac OS X, which is built upon the rock-solid Mach kernel. I can also run just about any Winbloze app I wish in an emulator and actually have MORE control and a safer, less virus prone windoze environment than you can have running windoze natively on Intel hardware!

PCs are wonderful in their oen rite, but half of you are talking out your ass, you never really USED a Mac, or programmed for one, or admin'd a group of computer users, or ran a company which required computers to be AVAILABLE and VIRUS FREE in order to keep the business running.

You are just running with the herd, doing what the masses do.

You sound like 18 year old kids who read the boards for a month and all of a sudden they are giving advice on how to use insulin. Wake up.

PCs are great in their own right.

However when it comes to Viruses, you are Gates' Bitch, bent over, and he is pounding you in the ass. Or sorry, its Ballmer now. Bigger guy, fatter dick - how does it feel? LOL

And please dont say that "because it is popular" means its the best. Follow that argument then we would all be using Bill Phillips techniques, and buying Mega Weight Gainer 400, and worshipping at the alter of Joe Weider and his supplement rags.

Wake up, you bought into the most mediocre product which people were ever duped into: Windoze.

 

[jh1]

Anyone runng any flaovor of Windoze withou anti-virus software is an idiot.

Many of you gusy are embarrasing yourselves. Wake up.

I am running Mac OS X, which is built upon the rock-solid Mach kernel. I can also run just about any Winbloze app I wish in an emulator and actually have MORE control and a safer, less virus prone windoze environment than you can have running windoze natively on Intel hardware!

PCs are wonderful in their oen rite, but half of you are talking out your ass, you never really USED a Mac, or programmed for one, or admin'd a group of computer users, or ran a company which required computers to be AVAILABLE and VIRUS FREE in order to keep the business running.

You sound like 18 year old kids who read the boards for a month and all of a sudden they are giving advice on how to use insulin. Wake up.

PCs are great in their own right.

However when it comes to Viruses, you are Gates' Bitch, bent over, and he is pounding you in the ass. Or sorry, its Ballmer now. Bigger guy, fatter dick - how does it feel? LOL

And please dont say that "because it is popular" means its the best. Follow that argument then we would all be using Bill Phillips techniques, and buying Mega Weight Gainer 400, and worshipping at the alter of Joe Weider and his supplement rags.

ah... macs are suseptible to viruses as well... the os is just as prone to viruses.... the difference? there are many more developers of software for the PC platform.. and that isn't limited to the applications you like.. it includes virus development.

 

[scruples]

viruses are much more prevalent on PCs because PCs are so much more prevalent than Macs

it has absolutely nothing to do w/the design of the OS, hardware architecture, etc... anyone who believes that Windows is inherently more susceptible to infection is not thinking clearly...

plus, a lot of viruses come out of eastern bloc countries where Macs are, I would guess, pretty rare...

edit: jh1, you beat me to it!

 

[jh1]

edit: jh1, you beat me to it!

get used to it....

 

[no clone]

I was solicited today for paper products, Unfortunatly I replied with a go fu** your self. If I knew this before I wouldn't have done that seeing as the guy didn't have any idea his addy was stolen.

 

[Riker29]

viruses are much more prevalent on PCs because PCs are so much more prevalent than Macs

it has absolutely nothing to do w/the design of the OS, hardware architecture, etc... anyone who believes that Windows is inherently more susceptible to infection is not thinking clearly...

I am thinking quite clearly.

You are misinformed. LOL

 

[jh1]

I am thinking quite clearly.

You are misinformed. LOL

MAC vs. PC is like a religious debate.. .


..... that being said, your religion is wrong. Heheh.. LOL

seriously.. there is nothing that makes a mac less susceptible with the exception of the fact that less people 'develop' for the mac platform wether it be applications or viruses.

BTW - What do you use to create documents, spreadsheets, etc?

 

[blaster220]

The best defense is knowing what your doing when you sitting behind a computer.

Finally... someone who understands!

 

[rjl296]

Why is this so important? Because this dumbass has the names of many reliable sources in his address book.

nobody's in my address book

 

[Malleus]

my mac got a virus and destroyed my entire harddrive (or "harddisk", if you will) completely... certainly macs are not virus-proof by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Riker29]

MAC vs. PC is like a religious debate.. .


..... that being said, your religion is wrong. Heheh.. LOL

seriously.. there is nothing that makes a mac less susceptible with the exception of the fact that less people 'develop' for the mac platform wether it be applications or viruses.

BTW - What do you use to create documents, spreadsheets, etc?

You are simply wronng.

Go out, learn about computers. Run a few companies. Be responsible for millions of dollars of equipment and productivity. Get educated. Then talk to me.

Fact, the archaic naure of OS 9 lent itself to almost full bullet-proofness in many ways, and made it more difficult to be suscptible to viruses.

OS X, being based on the Mach kernal, is among one of the most robust, and well understood building block that one could use for an OS. The open source community alone has assietd in making Mach virtually bullet-proof.

Windoze (later versions) has the open-ness of full preemptive multitasking like a Unix variant however its proprietary and therefore the only people who supposedly are fully informed of its innards are locked away in Redmond. They only know so much about the code anyway, becuase they need to come out with new versions every several years and justify you spending more cash.

And you couch it up.

Bend over farther.

LOL.

As much as MS sucks in this department, some of their apps are surpisingly good. I use Office stuff a lot, its bloated but its ok.

Anyway, school is over for now.

Macs are not virus proof, nothing is. Its just funny to see peopel spend SO much time and effort on these problems, and ever more passionately claim "I made the right choice - I really did".

Most people who sit and say they understand these issues have in fact only REALLY worked on one OS anyway.

This is like someone commenting on Test. Tren, DBol, DECA, Var, Anadrol, saying which they KNOW is best oir not, when in fact they have really only used or read about Test.

Now the after school teaching is done too.

 

[Zyglamail]

Frankly your attitude of complancency is what keeps viruses in circulation. If everyone was dilligent viruses would have a half life shorter than that of 1mg of Test Suspension...

You greatly miread my comments. Virus protection software is geared toward the ignorant and lulls many into a false sense of security. As I mentioned above there is often a few day window between the time a virus hits and before the virus software is updated to identify it, during this window you are vulnerable if you rely solely on the virus software to protect you.

Virus's (99.9%) of the time do not just happen to you, you have to run them and physically install them more or less on your computer. If you take the time to learn about computers, what a virus is/does and how to set your system up so that they can not be executed and you practice intelligent e-mail/download habbits then virus's should not be a concern. I occassionally run a scanner on my systems but dont run an active copy of protection and I have yet to get a virus in the 18 years I have been using a PC. Why is this? Because I have educated myself and not fall victem to the virus creators or even worse, the companies who make and push this virus protection down your throat. Instead of spending $40 for some software I would much rather spend it and a little time educating myself. Granted not everyone has the computer background I do but I think your blanket statements that everyone should run the virus protection software is simply rediculous.

Finally... someone who understands!

Thanks Blaster220, at least you understood what I was getting at.

 

[jh1]

Go out, learn about computers. Run a few companies. Be responsible for millions of dollars of equipment and productivity. Get educated. Then talk to me.

Riker -

Wow.. Riker... I wasn't being confrontational... I don't understand your need to get all pissed off, get insulting and arrogant....

I think it was obvious to everyone that the Mac vs. PC thing was a joke, but I was quite serious about the Macs and viruses - as a matter of fact - the virus we are talking about here in this thread "KLEZ" affects Macintoshes just as much as it affects PCs. I don't give a shit if you are on your so called 'bullet-proof' OS 9 or the new Jaugar - YOU ARE STILL VULNERABLE TO KLEZ.

so you know what? GO FUCK YOURSELF - if you think you can talk down to me like that - especially about a subject like computer security by which I make a living.

You all 'learned up' yet? Class Dismissed.


Zyg -

Were not that far off - I agree you have to keep your eyes open and that is the best defense. But where we don't agree is that anti-virus software is a must. I have to admit, I wouldn't want to pay for it and if i was absolutley forced to do so... I may live with out it. But, since I work in the industry I don't really pay anything for it.

It is INDISPENSABLE in any corporate environment where you have users that may not be as edjucated or paranoid as we all are. This also goes for 99.9% of computer users out there - clueless.

Incidently - the the two tojans I mentioned - NetRunner and BO2K which allow someone to use your microphone to listen to what is going on in the room - they are most commonly installed without your knowledge from remote by the perpertrator. Unless you have hardend your OS, have a real firewall, or have an Intrustion Detection System (IDS) this could happen.

As far as reaction time - as I had illuded to before the Anti-Virus companies respond within HOURS now - not days. 10 years ago, maybe even 5 years ago - it took days... your feelings are a fall back from those days.

 

[scruples]

i agree w/zyg... i am an intelligent user, never run anti-virus software, and have never been infected w/any sort of virus.

i am also w/jh1... the VAST MAJORITY of users are very naive and anti-viral software is definitely necessary... while i was working as a tech at a SMALL local computer shop, we would get 2-3 Klez infections a week... and of course, everyone swore up and down that they had virus protection, but it hadn't been updated since the original install... so in that case, zyg is right about anti-virus software lulling users into a false sense of security...

riker29... you are abviously a Mac denizen... hey i like macs too for some limited operations, but you are so misinformed to think that the OS is inherently "safe" from infection...

mac viruses aren't out there because there are SO FEW mac developers in the first place... and the ones that ARE mac developers would probably find it a lot more lucrative to develop legit software

 

[Riker29]

Its amazing to see how people read what they "want" to read.

I never said that the Mac OS was immune from viruses, wake up.

And to the guy saying "fuck off" - grow up. Jeez. Talk about getting childish.

The bottom line is - any responsible computer user, especially one who spends a lot of time on the net, needs to take appropriate precuations.

In this day and age, the number of precuations that one must take when running any windoze variant is easily an order of magnitude greater than with any other OS.

Now if you want to say that because its more popular, or realize that there are architectural issues at work, then fine. Realize whatever reason you wish, dream up whatever reason you think is right. Strech your expertise as far as you want. But the fact still remins:

If you run Windoze, any flavor of it, you have a LOT of work to do to be secure against viruses and intrusions into your system. Period. Or, you must be VERY careful.

If you run anything else, Mac, Linux, most UNIX flavors (assuming if you DO run UNIX yoy are also of admim-level expertise) then you have a much easier time.

Thats the bootom line.

If you want to "argue" with, me, you are simply arguing with yourself, trying to justify your lot or situation. Take it up with a counselor.

Now to get back to the main point of this thread, before several kiddies got all defensive,




If you are on the net, and especially if you end up using a lot of email and passing files around, then its very imprtant for you to be aware of security.

Unless you are very schooled in how to operate a PC to keep instances of possible infection very low, then you shoudl install and use an anti-virus system.

You also MUST keep it up-to-date, all the time.

If you run Windows, any type, this is a must.

If you run Mac OS or a Unix variant, you will not have to be concerned anywhere near as much, for your level of risk is much much lower. However you should still be aware of the situtaion and using appropriate anti-virus tools for these OS's may be a good idea as well.

 

[scruples]

riker, i agree...

quick hypothetical: if Mac had market dominance, would the tables be turned?

there are plenty of UNIX viruses out there... and UNIX users tend to be much more savvy, so they exercise a lot more caution and don't haphazardly utilize the internet like 99% of the PC users out there...

the general ignorance of PC users create the added danger, not the OS itself

 

[Riker29]

riker, i agree...

quick hypothetical: if Mac had market dominance, would the tables be turned?

there are plenty of UNIX viruses out there... and UNIX users tend to be much more savvy, so they exercise a lot more caution and don't haphazardly utilize the internet like 99% of the PC users out there...

the general ignorance of PC users create the added danger, not the OS itself

Well, I tend to disagree, I know that there are architectural and business model issues at work which make Windoze a bit more susceptible. But thats sort of an intellectual/technical disucssion.

However you are correct the bottom line remains, the fact that in today's world, Windoze users have a lot of work to do.

One imprtant point I have learned, always be a bit careful about 90% of the so-called "computer security experts" out there. Consider this - if an easy to use OS, which was much less virus prone, had a much greater market share, what would happen to 80% of the "experts" and "consultants" out there? They would be out of work!


Bottom line - get educated, or get some anti-virus software guys.

 

[sk*]

WOW, gone one day and this thread turned huge. Don't feel like reading it all but probably will in next couple days.

Just read that someone said you are an idiot for not running an anti virus program with windows operating systems.

This is wrong.

As long as you monitor very closely what you do and don't put your "internet security levels" to very low, you should be fine. Just know what you download, what sites you go to etc. Oh yea, and don't use outlook express or any other program that connects to the smtp servers. My suggestion would be to just use web based emails.

If you are running a business than everything changes, web based emails become out of the question and anti virus programs become a must.

-sk