Ethenate cycle

[GdupM6]

Hey guys, im new to this forum and im hear to learn with you gyys, so please no bashing. Im 24 years old weigh about 170 , and stand at 5'7. Im toned up but not exactly where i want to be. I have never done any injections or anything like that, but i want to step it up.

My friend was telling me to start doing winny but people were telling me to do winny from the start but people were telling me that it would NOT be a good idea due to the fact that ive never done anything like that so i dont know how my body would react to it. So im hearing test would be the best thing to do as a starter to see how my body will react.... Fine...

Reading up on here Im seeing that Ethenate has been a more effective testosterone that people are taking and are very happy with. So with that in mind, im willing to get Ethenate and stack it with something and start cycling, but dont know what to stack it with and how to cyle and how much to get exactly. My goal is to have the hardness and be cut and have the noticeable gains. What would you guys recommend I stack it with? Also how should I cyle ? All thoughts and advice is welcome... Thank you...

 

[*The_West*]

IMO there is no need to stack on your first cycle. test e is a perfect first cycle, many would recommend it as a first cycle. you dont want to add anything to it first time round, you just want to see how you react to straight test, if you took 3 different compounds and had any bad side effects, you wouldnt have a clue what was doing it would you? firstly though, what is your diet and training like? it really does need to be spot on before you even consider using steroids, if it isnt chances that you will keep any of your gains from a cycle are slim to none.

 

[sweed]

research for 6 months and come up with a first cycle with all the necessary ancillaries, including ai's and a good pct.
goodluck!

 

[big greg 82]

^agree

 

[mikebzt]

research for 6 months and come up with a first cycle with all the necessary ancillaries, including ai's and a good pct.
goodluck!

Could not have said it better myself.

Do your research first. You can never know or learn too much

 

[rockdoc]

You must first learn how to spell it correctly before you can use it.

 

[doublebicep]

My friend was telling me to start doing winny but people were telling me to do winny from the start but people were telling me that it would NOT be a good idea due to the fact that ive never done anything like that so i dont know how my body would react to it.

I think I would get new friends and do a lot of research before starting any cycle.

Seriously!

 

[DSS]

I Totally agree with all of the post. Do not stack on your first cyle, do more research, get your diet perfect, do more research, get your training routine down, do more research and do more research. The new friends and learning to spell are optional.

 

[Hexagon]

You guys are so overly correct. When newbie comes in here to ask our help you answer: Go and do your own research and don't bother us until you know what you need to know. Then what??? If he discover what he needs for his cycle he may not come back.

For your first cycle run test only for 8-12 weeks. If you use proviron with your test you normally don't get the estrogen sids, and proviron will make your test work bette. Proviron will help you burn more fat. Laern about PCT before you start your cycle.

PCT will aid and speed up your endogenous hormone production. Nolvadex and HCG is normally a good PCT.

 

[alexl2]

I would do test enanthate at 500mg/wk for 10-12 weeks bro.

 

[Trendsetter21]

At 170lbs you should really fix your diet. I know you eat a ton, and your diet is perfect..........everyone says that. I've gone from 180lbs to 235lbs in the last 3 years by changing my diet. I eat 8 times a day with 3 protein shakes. Get a journal and write down what you are eating. If you aren't putting in at least 6000 calories a day just forget it. Even a test cycle might put on 20lbs for you but guess what......without eating properly you are going to lose probably all of it a month or 2 after you come off. Believe me when I say I see this at the gym all the time......really blows my mind why people even take it without proper diets.

 

[sweed]

I am glad this OP is asking for advice. I am glad to be moving him in a direction to get more knowledge. You can go back 20 pages and get a ton of very useful info, and could prob put together a first cycle. I researched for a year and a half before doin AS.. not only because I was too young, but it kind of freaked me out to be injecting stuff into me!
serious stuff! think about it!
just because someone on here says it's ok.. don't jump off the bridge with them ; research please.

 

[Varga]

Although you far from ready to do this stuff, stacking the first cycle is not unheard of....keep dosages lower that's about it. \
If you want to stack I would consider primo/test. Primo at 300-400 and test at 250 per week. Eat low fat high carb/protein diet with 3x a week cardio and you be golden. PCT will also be easier as well with lower test but still need it.
However, if anything get your diet under control. Don't eat like crazy first, let the stuff take effect then as your appetitie goes up just increase food to 4000-6000 a week and grow. With the cardio you should be able to gain mostly mass with little fat.

 

[GdupM6]

By doing ethenate, will it also help me cut down?

 

[pee-wee]

...i guess you missed rockdoc's post....stop spelling it wrong....it's ENANthate!! - (sorry, it shouldn't annoy me as much as it does). as for the cycle, my 2 cents is go for 250 mg test e for 8-12 weeks. if everything is going well by week 6 or 7, then just stay on that amount till it's done. if you feel like you've plateaued and are still stuck on the idea of stacking, consider throwing in 50mg of winny for the last 5-6 weeks, but honestly, if this is your 1st cycle at 170 lbs, i think you'll be happy with the results of test alone....and like all others have said, keep diet in check and have your pct figured out - it may not be a huge deal with this cycle, but it is good to get in the practice esp if you are considering doing others

 

[GdupM6]

As far as the PCT goes, ive heard alot about Clomid and novadlex. How can i figure out which to go with?

 

[motox85]

You can use them both at clomid 25mg and nolva 20 mg, for 4 weeks. Actually nvm ill just put the link in.

Recap –

For the fastest possible recovery, use 250iu of hCG during the cycle. After the cycle, for PCT, you block cortisol with EndoAmp. Then, to safely block & control estrogen you stack a low dose of Nolva or Clomid (10mg or 25mg ED) with Sustain Alpha and Toco-8. This synergistic combo is absolutely the single most powerful protocol for a truly successful PCT. Just follow the table below for the proper use of these supplements according to your cycle –

http://www.primordialperformance.com/testosterone_recovery_stack.cfm

 

[GdupM6]

So i have to take toco 8, endoamp, and sustain alpha in addition to clomid?

 

[GdupM6]

...i guess you missed rockdoc's post....stop spelling it wrong....it's ENANthate!! - (sorry, it shouldn't annoy me as much as it does). as for the cycle, my 2 cents is go for 250 mg test e for 8-12 weeks. if everything is going well by week 6 or 7, then just stay on that amount till it's done. if you feel like you've plateaued and are still stuck on the idea of stacking, consider throwing in 50mg of winny for the last 5-6 weeks, but honestly, if this is your 1st cycle at 170 lbs, i think you'll be happy with the results of test alone....and like all others have said, keep diet in check and have your pct figured out - it may not be a huge deal with this cycle, but it is good to get in the practice esp if you are considering doing others

So 50mg of winny for the last 5-6 weeks would be ok?

 

[pee-wee]

yah, i think 50mg would be fine...but again, if things are going well at 250 test only, don't add anything else. my first test e only cycle was great, but i did retain a little more water than what i would have liked. so the next cycle was 12 weeks with the last 6 weeks taking 50mg winny tabs and proviron - got rid of most of the water...next cycle frontloaded with dbol, etc. - one cycle at a time. don't add too many things till you see how you respond to each one individually

 

[motox85]

So i have to take toco 8, endoamp, and sustain alpha in addition to clomid?

No, but if you want the best recover IMO you should include OTC supps for PCT. Maybe just buy 1 testosterone recovery stack and use it with clomid. nolva if u absoluetly have to

 

[GdupM6]

What are some things expected when taking Enanthate? Getting cut? Building mass?

 

[sPHERE]

Im on my first cycle of test enanthate (500mg/week), actually did my second shot this morning. Test is best for mass, although you CAN use it to get cut if you use a good AI.
Ultimately it's the diet that decides what the result will be, as long as you'r not trying to lose weight AND gain weight at the same time. Take one step at a time (e.g bulk first, then cut).

 

[GdupM6]

Well i mean im pretty toned up. I just have a little belly that im trying to loose. When i flex my abs, my abs are visible, but when i dont flex u still see a little belly. Im trying to get rid of that, get rock hard, and be cut. I wouldnt mind a little more mass. So is Enanthate the right thing for me to do?

 

[2evil]

Much more research needed. Make sure you know what you're doing before you start down this road. What does your training look like?

 

[eddymerckx]

gave you a week plat---this should held you do some research etc. enjoy

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