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estrogen fat around nips

lilleOle said:
whats the best way of getting rid of this fat?

Thanks
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surgery.
Bionic
 
I read a study that was conducted in germany. It said that if the fat has not hardened the best course of action was to use Nolvadex. Run it when off all substances and it will clear up most cases of gyno... including some adolecent.
Good Luck
 
macrophage69alpha said:
aromatase inhibitor
Yohimburn ES
(in combination with increased activity and calorie restriction-- ie diet.)
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Does Yohimburn really work? I have a little soft tissue there, but i've had it 20 years (it's puberty-related I think).

Thanks,
 
learningfast said:
Does Yohimburn really work? I have a little soft tissue there, but i've had it 20 years (it's puberty-related I think).

Thanks,
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Im 36 and have puffy nips since I was 14. I have resolved the problem mostly.

This is all the things I have done and tried.

went from 24% to 12% BF , this made the biggest difference I believe, even though as a teen I had puffy nips at 13-14%.

I used lipoderm, skulpt and Yohimburn ES. Use the Yohimburn ES! ( I think its worth it)

ran Nolvadex at 60mg/day 3 times at (20mg) for about 45 days. then 40 twice per day, for about 30 days, then 20mg per day currently. People have ran Nolvadex for 6 months at low dosages to solve Pubertal Gyno, check PubMed for this.Overall, It's hard to say how much of an effect this had, because I was hitting the diet and cardio pretty hard. Part of me feels that this actually helped me lose weight as well, but its hard to say.

Tried Andractim (DHT gel). Hard to say as well because of my weight loss.

If I had the cash and did not want lipo. I would do the following.

lose BF%

apply Yohimburn ES as directed.

use andractim for recommended duration. (if your on an AAS or PCT I would get some advice on this!)

Use nolva

the combination of these things helped me. Of course this says nothing about prolactin issues, and I really am not sure of the mechanisms involved.
 
my doctor wants to start me on low dose nolva at 20mg ed for 5 months to try and get rid of some natural gyno. I'll probably start next week.

I wanted to run an 8 week var/primo cycle (looking purely for strength gains). Should I leave it until after I'm done with the nolva or can I run it alongside. I know a lot of people run nolva throughout their test cycles so I don't see the harm... any thoughts?
 
lilleOle said:
ahh...retard
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I am not kidding, or palying around, i dont know how that makes me a retard. Personally Id think a big guy like yourself asking for advice and then insulting the ones that give it to him is considered more of a retard, but oh well....
Surgery is the most complete and effective way, and many times, the ONLY WAY, to get rid of Gyno. Sorry if it doesnt tickle your fancy bro.
Bionic
 
justaman said:
my doctor wants to start me on low dose nolva at 20mg ed for 5 months to try and get rid of some natural gyno. I'll probably start next week.

I wanted to run an 8 week var/primo cycle (looking purely for strength gains). Should I leave it until after I'm done with the nolva or can I run it alongside. I know a lot of people run nolva throughout their test cycles so I don't see the harm... any thoughts?
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Your doc is going to Prescribe you with Nolva?

What kind of Doc is that ? I need to find me a doc that will prescribe me it too. I got some natural puffy nips and have liquid nolva ready.. but much rather get pills if i can...
 
collegeguyga said:
Your doc is going to Prescribe you with Nolva?

What kind of Doc is that ? I need to find me a doc that will prescribe me it too. I got some natural puffy nips and have liquid nolva ready.. but much rather get pills if i can...
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many docs dont even think of prescribing a breast cancer drug to a man. try showing your doc the study referenced in this post (or any study proving its effectiveness). that may sway his mind.
 
ProtienFiend said:
many docs dont even think of prescribing a breast cancer drug to a man. try showing your doc the study referenced in this post (or any study proving its effectiveness). that may sway his mind.
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exactly. and my doc happens to be good friends with one of the doctors involved in the sudy at Notts. University ... I'm sure that helped.

so I take it from the lack of objections that running a var/primo cycle whilst on nolva will be no problem?
 
There is no other way - once you have gyno you need surgery to get rid of it. Some pct will prevent it from getting worse. I'm 99.9% sure you need surgery to remove it.
 
loik4 said:
There is no other way - once you have gyno you need surgery to get rid of it. Some pct will prevent it from getting worse. I'm 99.9% sure you need surgery to remove it.
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not entirely true...some guys have taken nolvadex and it has even helped w/gyno they've had since puberty. i would try the nolva for a month or so and see what happens.
 
I don't know how this thread got hi jacked to the discussion about gyno, which is a hard tissue (mamary gland) developing in the chest, when this is about soft "fatty" tissue around the nipple, keeping it from being totally flat on the chest. This is not hard tissue, but it is estrogenic fat. It can be greatly dimished to the point of it being totally gone with diet, cardio, aromatose inhibitors to "dry" the fat out and Yohimburn. This regimen worked wonders for me in the past and the loss was pretty pernmanent.
 
Try some thiomucase cream or prepH with biodine. Rub into nips every night and place a dab on overnight. Should flatten them out, if it is just puffy nips.
 
GREGORY said:
I don't know how this thread got hi jacked to the discussion about gyno, which is a hard tissue (mamary gland) developing in the chest, when this is about soft "fatty" tissue around the nipple, keeping it from being totally flat on the chest. This is not hard tissue, but it is estrogenic fat. It can be greatly dimished to the point of it being totally gone with diet, cardio, aromatose inhibitors to "dry" the fat out and Yohimburn. This regimen worked wonders for me in the past and the loss was pretty pernmanent.
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well said.

though the topic of gynecomastia is one that is "confusing" because that blank label is used to describe a host of conditions by both lay observers and professionals. The fatty tissue condition is actually known as pectoral feminization. Though doctors often call it gynecomastia (which is as stated above not accurate)
 
would GH injected into man boobs reduce them? :)
 
Since everyone skimmed over my and macro's post on this thread i would like everyone to re-read what was said. Then as DT poijted out in a joking manner, you can inject GH into "man boobs". Dan Duchaine wrote on occasion that localised areas where the GH was injected caused a depression in the fat surface. So IMO yes it should be injected under the nipple if desired and make sure the sites are rotated regularly.
 
I think I'm gonna try the YES at the af store later on.

Hopefully that will get rid of the e fat around my nips.
 
BigpoppaBulk said:
Try some thiomucase cream or prepH with biodine. Rub into nips every night and place a dab on overnight. Should flatten them out, if it is just puffy nips.
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I have tried the preph with biodyne from canada. I thought it was only for temperorary relief. I did not notice any immediate relief. Is it to be applied for a length of time?

thx
 
macrophage69alpha said:
it should help with fatty tissue, but it may also greatly increase the risk of exacerbating existing gyno tissue (if there is such).
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Exactly...the localized injection might increase IGF levels to the extent where cell proliferation occurs and gyno increases.BTW I'm sure most of us are aware that HGH injected anywhere has been known to cause Gyno due to the breeding grounds of increased IGF levels.

Tamoxifen citrate@20-40mgs/day or local application of a DHT gel ie.Andractim would be efficacious.

B32
 
GREGORY said:
I don't know how this thread got hi jacked to the discussion about gyno, which is a hard tissue (mamary gland) developing in the chest, when this is about soft "fatty" tissue around the nipple, keeping it from being totally flat on the chest. This is not hard tissue, but it is estrogenic fat. It can be greatly dimished to the point of it being totally gone with diet, cardio, aromatose inhibitors to "dry" the fat out and Yohimburn. This regimen worked wonders for me in the past and the loss was pretty pernmanent.
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good reply, im with you. I've gotten rid of the real "gyno" which is hard not soft and puffy, with NOLVA 60mg ed, and also am using aromatose inhibitors to do the drying out... :supercool
 
Bro's:

I tried the GH method (read the same Dan D articles) it worked for me - but I only injected along the edges of my chest where I had a lot of fat. After a month or so there was a permenant decrease in fat tissue. I was worried about injecting behind the nipple incase it caused real gyno (mine was only puffy nips & fat since puberty, not hard glandular tissue).

For prolactin induced gyno try bromo or dostinex. I read an article on elite years ago about a bro who injected a special form of L-carnitine (cardispan???) and alteranted with yohimbine injections and supposedly got good results. I think some others have also injected Lutalyse (Pgf-1a??) and dropped a lot of chest fat. - search the archives.

Later!

S :supercool
 
This is a great thread. It does seem guys on here obsess about their gyno a little too much though- its not even noticable on some of the guys who have posted their photos.
 
SanFrancisco said:
This is a great thread. It does seem guys on here obsess about their gyno a little too much though- its not even noticable on some of the guys who have posted their photos.
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small imperfections on a relatively perfect physique can be more daunting than larger imperfections on a relatively imperfect physique.

it is worth noting that pectoral feminization is an issue for many due to external comments as well as the implication of femininity. it is an estrogenic expression.

and keeping in that vein of thought... "chest" and "biceps" are often considered the "man muscles"- not agreeing just noting a general perception. Hence they are viewed more critically by the "self" and others.
 
Oh i totally agree. The feminen or estrogenic expression equates to weakness among the machismo culture. The strange thing is though that most guys on here given their drive to become hypertrophied male archetypes don't seem to hung up on these issues, especially in the chat board though it could just be my perception. Sorry to get way off topic here.
 
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