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Estrogen and Ai's

MercDD said:
Thanks .....



Merc.

I believe the thing of it is, as alot of things, you want to strike a balance between having some estrogen but not too much.. Honestly, for me, I'd rather sacrifice gains, and have them be more qualitative, then deal with gyno and all of the terrible side effects of extremely high estrogen levels attained by improper PCT or lack there of..
 
MercDD said:
Thanks .....



Merc.
Well you came in w/ abang, Way to go ! To many bro's come on here (me included at one time) without doing any research, nice to see you got brains w/ that muscle talk,LOL. k to ya!
This is acually an answer to an thread i posted this morning about my itchy nips, thanks, i was almost going to start runing some AI"s but i needed to chill and relax..sure enough it stopped and was just my hair growing, LOL !
 
chris69 said:
Well you came in w/ abang, Way to go ! To many bro's come on here (me included at one time) without doing any research, nice to see you got brains w/ that muscle talk,LOL. k to ya!
This is acually an answer to an thread i posted this morning about my itchy nips, thanks, i was almost going to start runing some AI"s but i needed to chill and relax..sure enough it stopped and was just my hair growing, LOL !


:)
 
MercDD said:
ESTROGEN AND AI's
Will taking AI's effect my gains ?
By Merc.


When you talk about testosterone you also usually hear words like estrogen and aromatase ..

Most people that use AAS ( anabolic androgenic steroids ) understand that testosterone converts to estrogen (via aromatase enzyme) and this causes problems like bloating, gyno, and other side effects. People have been posting on message boards, lately, inquiring as to how AI's ( aromatase inhibitors) and estrogen relate to muscle gains.

Estrogen is important to the muscle-building process. Estrogen has been linked to increases in GH and IGF-1. Therefore, in essence, some of testosterone's effects are dependent, to a degree, on the aromatization process..

For instance, cattle are given estradiol in order to "beef" them up. And when cattle ranchers choose a single drug treatment, they always pick estrogen. This is because estrogen's role is important. Think about it, how many people report that when using AI's their gains are diminished? AI's reduce estrogen levels which, in turn, reduce GH and IGF-1 levels.

I have a buddy that has done 2 cycles. The first he used Testosterone enanthate at 500 mg per week with Arimidex at 0.5 EOD. His second cycle consisted of 600 mg of testosterone cypionate per week with 40 mg of Dbol per day (with .5mg Arimidex per day). He ate well and trained intensely yet he wasn't making the gains he expected to make considering the drugs he was using. This friend made an appointment with his doctor and the doctor ordered a total testosterone and total estrogen blood test. It turned out, his estrogen was extremely low.. He then finished his cycle and did a proper pct and took time off to recover ..

Than he did another cycle using Dianabol, testosterone enanthate at 600 mg per week, and no AI. This time his body responded incredibly. People that didnt see him for a few months didnt even recognize him. He went beck to the doctor and asked for blood work while he was on cycle (7 weeks into the latest cycle). This time around, his estrogen was high (around 300 ng/ml with 120 ng/ml or less being considered norma. Likewise, his strength was through the roof and he reported a great sense of well being and energy associated with what he was doing. There were no real side-effects that were where experienced. He also never looked real bloated.


Let's not forget, gynecomastia (bitch tits) thrive on high estrogen levels so you are never to let that hormone climb too high. Remember, minimize the breast's exposure to estrogen; but don't get rid of it completely

GREAT POST!!!
 
If someone is stuggling with gyno and other E related side effects wouldn't the smart choice be to lower the amount of test and anabolics going in rather than using anti E's which can cause more problems???
 
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