1/2 tab of dost 2x wk isnt that expensive and i dont feel any sides other than the puffyness around my nips from progestin has completely gone away since i started using dost. just because one person has an 'opinion' about soemthing doesnt make it right. im talking from experience of using the stuff....... the 500iu hcg 2x per week during the cycle is a well documented way to keep your nads from shrinking and alot easier pct. using proviron is a great way to add in an androgen without the sides of test, ie. water bloat, fat gain, and keep your boy up and working. im not a rocket scientist so i dont see the complication of this, ive just been at this for awhile so i know what works when you want get ripped, especially since i have such a hard time of it.