EQ X PRIMO . Is there really a big difference ?

[VictorBR]

I have used both with very similar results . But I really thought that my recover was a bit more slow with primo than with EQ .

In terms of muscle gain , density , fat loss I would say they are pretty the same .

Eq being much cheaper is a plus , but I still love primo .

And I really can't decide which route to go on my next cutting cycle .

some people say that EQ over 400 mg would convert to estrogen and make you hold a bit of water , and you might risk some gyno of course since I used 400 mg only it never happened to me .

So , I want opinions on what would you choose if money was NOT an issue .

week 1-12 - Primo 600 mg / week OR EQ - 500 mg / week
week 1-6 - turanabol - 40 mg ED
week 1-6 - win 75 mg ED
week 6-12 - Var 40 mg ED
week 6-12 - Masteron - 150 mg EOD
week 6-12 - proviron - 50 mg ED

So either primo or EQ would be my base compound . Can you guys help on the decision .


thaaaaanks


Victor

 

[Tux]

Careful with all those orals bro, but having never tried primo, I'd go with that. If money isn't an issue, and you get the same relative gains per mg, go with the higher mg's. HCG will make recovery problems not really an issue I think, so hit the primo. You know Satch will love you for it

 

[CENTURION44]

where did you come up with 500mg EQ...run 400 or 600mg....normal for experienced EQ users is 800mg ....looks like you have a lot of compounds..simplify the cycle a bit. I dont see the point in running var and primo together...

 

[Indy]

where did you come up with 500mg EQ...run 400 or 600mg....normal for experienced EQ users is 800mg ....looks like you have a lot of compounds..simplify the cycle a bit. I dont see the point in running var and primo together...

Var and primo together is the best stack I have seen yet !! I love the results from var and primo more than anything else, and I have tried nearly everything.

 

[black sheep]

Var and primo together is the best stack I have seen yet !! I love the results from var and primo more than anything else, and I have tried nearly everything.

What were your dosages / results?

I hear no many mixed reviews. I was just about to go the primo route, then you hear many Vets say that EQ gave the same results, or that Tren/Winny gave same result as Primo/Var. I have taken Tren/Winny and liked the results. The sides were not too bad for me either.

The main reason I am thinking Primo/Var is I am pretty confident it is better for my body (LEss toxic) than Tren/Winny, or even EQ for that matter.

I also don't want to have to run a Gram of Primo a week to get results either.

 

[satchboogie]

a few advantages to primo over eq and a few disadvantages.

advantage 1- schering primo is human grade gear.. eq is not!
advantage 2 - primo has little to no sides.
advantage 3- primo wont increase appetite like eq.
advantage 4 - primo is one of few steroids thats for cutting on very low cals.
advantage 5 - low doses will not affect hpta.

disad 1 - primo is more expensive than eq
disad 2 - primo is harder to find (but very attainable)
disad 3 - wont give you the famous eq pump (due to increaesed red blood cells)

 

[VictorBR]

where did you come up with 500mg EQ...run 400 or 600mg....normal for experienced EQ users is 800mg ....looks like you have a lot of compounds..simplify the cycle a bit. I dont see the point in running var and primo together...

what is the matter with 500mg / week EQ ?!?!? Can't you use 2.5 ml a week instead of 2 ml ( 400 mg ) or 3 ml ( 600 mg ) ???

800 is way too much , I would rather take 3-4 compunds at low doses than ONLY 1 compund at ultra high doses .

I am swithcing compounds in the middle of the cycle , which will also boost my gains .


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

a few advantages to primo over eq and a few disadvantages.

advantage 1- schering primo is human grade gear.. eq is not! - good point
advantage 2 - primo has little to no sides. - same as eq
advantage 3- primo wont increase appetite like eq. - it doesnt happen to me at all
advantage 4 - primo is one of few steroids thats for cutting on very low cals. - i have used eq for cutting in low cals and got great results
advantage 5 - low doses will not affect hpta. - low doses will also not help .

disad 1 - primo is more expensive than eq
disad 2 - primo is harder to find (but very attainable)
disad 3 - wont give you the famous eq pump (due to increaesed red blood cells)

disad 4 - 100 mg /ml , against 200 mg/ ml or even 400 mg /ml EQ .


STILL , the great advantage is that it is human grade gear . I will always choose stuff that is designed for humans instead of horses , or cows lol .
AND ALSO one great advantage of PRIMO over EQ is that it won't convert to estrogen even in ultra high doses , so zero risk of water retention / gyno .

I will probably go with primo .

Victor

 

[Bruce]

600 a week of eq keep it simple and that will yield the best results. you can't go wrong with primo, primo and var is fucking dream cycle btw. give me 800mg of primo for 14 weeks with 75mg ed of var for last 6, am would never get anything but that if i could afford it

 

[VictorBR]

bump for more inputs ?


Victor

 

[satchboogie]

disad 4 - 100 mg /ml , against 200 mg/ ml or even 400 mg /ml EQ .


STILL , the great advantage is that it is human grade gear . I will always choose stuff that is designed for humans instead of horses , or cows lol .
AND ALSO one great advantage of PRIMO over EQ is that it won't convert to estrogen even in ultra high doses , so zero risk of water retention / gyno .

I will probably go with primo .

Victor

yes youre so right bro..
the low concentration of schering primo at 100mg is a disadvantage.

 

[VictorBR]

yes youre so right bro..
the low concentration of schering primo at 100mg is a disadvantage.

yeah , specially for me I only hit my glutes and shoulders so high volume all the time .....not good at all ...

But still 5 cc a week is no problem , I will do 2 cc right glute , 2 cc left glute and 1 cc shoulders.


Victor

 

[nishnish]

i have a question- why is primo always made at 100mg/ml???

even the UG lab stuff like BD is 100mg/ml.

is there some limitation with how much can be put in 1cc or are people just trying to make as much money as possible? i would think it is the latter.

 

[VictorBR]

i have a question- why is primo always made at 100mg/ml???

even the UG lab stuff like BD is 100mg/ml.

is there some limitation with how much can be put in 1cc or are people just trying to make as much money as possible? i would think it is the latter.

LOL very good question , and I agree with you . I think it is all about the paper .


Victor

 

[cornfish]

i have a question- why is primo always made at 100mg/ml???

even the UG lab stuff like BD is 100mg/ml.

is there some limitation with how much can be put in 1cc or are people just trying to make as much money as possible? i would think it is the latter.

No you can get primo at 200mg/ml from some UG labs, but it's about a 50/50 shot that you will have some pretty fantastic pain from what I hear. Some people were doing this fine, and some people were down for the count at that concentration. Leaving it at 100mg/ml ensures that dosage as the most highly tolerated one.

 

[VictorBR]

No you can get primo at 200mg/ml from some UG labs, but it's about a 50/50 shot that you will have some pretty fantastic pain from what I hear. Some people were doing this fine, and some people were down for the count at that concentration. Leaving it at 100mg/ml ensures that dosage as the most highly tolerated one.

good point , but still if you wanna do 800 mg primo week and you only hit your glutes and delts , you are kinda screwed .

I am glad I am going with 500 - 600 and basically all the rest of my gear is oral .


Victor

 

[nishnish]

No you can get primo at 200mg/ml from some UG labs, but it's about a 50/50 shot that you will have some pretty fantastic pain from what I hear. Some people were doing this fine, and some people were down for the count at that concentration. Leaving it at 100mg/ml ensures that dosage as the most highly tolerated one.

ahh ok; i forgot to ask if it was the pain that kept it being manufactured at low doses.

i once did 2ml of the schering stuff in the glute and it hurt pretty damn bad; both during the injection and for a few days afterwards.

 

[VictorBR]

ahh ok; i forgot to ask if it was the pain that kept it being manufactured at low doses.

i once did 2ml of the schering stuff in the glute and it hurt pretty damn bad; both during the injection and for a few days afterwards.

It didn't hurt my ass that much , but try 2 cc of primo in your delts and be prepared to scream in pain . It simply looks like someone shot you with a shotgun . Yes , it is that bad .

SO yeah , I think we guessed wrong , it is not a money issue and probably a pain issue .


Victor

 

[nishnish]

i wonder what makes it hurt so bad?

 

[VictorBR]

i wonder what makes it hurt so bad?

I don't know , ...satch ???


Victor

 

[Guvna]

some people say that EQ over 400 mg would convert to estrogen and make you hold a bit of water , and you might risk some gyno of course since I used 400 mg only it never happened to me .

EQ always aromatizes. There isnt some magic number at which EQ decides to convert to estrogen when exceeded. 1mg converts to estrogen. 1 gram converts to estrogen. Its just how much you have at the end.

 

[VictorBR]

are you sure about that ?

Because I am prone to gyno and used at 400 mg /week , and HAD zero gyno and ZERO water retention .... and I didn't use any nolva or AI .

I dont think EQ aromatizes at low dosages that is why people use for cutting ..


Victor

 

[Tux]

Guvna's right. There is NO magic number at which EQ aromatizes, or any drug for that matter. There very well MAY be a specific estrogen concentration though where you begin to experience side effects, and 400mg/week isn't enough to get you over that barrier. That 400/week was aromatizing bro, my bet is that since it aromatizes only mildly, you just didn't get enough estrogen to raise your levels high enough to cause you any sides.

 

[Guvna]

Guvna's right. There is NO magic number at which EQ aromatizes, or any drug for that matter. There very well MAY be a specific estrogen concentration though where you begin to experience side effects, and 400mg/week isn't enough to get you over that barrier. That 400/week was aromatizing bro, my bet is that since it aromatizes only mildly, you just didn't get enough estrogen to raise your levels high enough to cause you any sides.

 

[VictorBR]

very good point .

But when I say it doesn't convert , I mean that it doesn't convert to the point where it is gonna give you sides .

If even 100 mg / week will convert but still doesn't convert enough to give you sides , imo , it is the same thing as not converting

but I see what you guys mean ...

I think that as long as I keep the doses BELOW 500 mg / week I am not gonna feel any sides , like you said , it is still gonna convert to estrogen but won't be enough to feel any sides , so it is all good


Victor