EQ + Test Cyp

[Lab_Wizard]

Nice post

SO, use HCG only during cycle and not after?

 

[BionicBC]

Nice post

SO, use HCG only during cycle and not after?

IMo, yes. Ill try to find more links. Do what you think best, many of the things we discuss are "up in the air" so to speak... In my opinion, though, never HCG for PCT, only during to maintain testicular function.
Bionic

 

[pursuit]

No, start HCG straight after your last shot and do it MWF 1000iu for two weeks. Yes HCG keeps you shut down but for this two week period, the gear is still in your system anyway. After the HCG period is done, continue with Nolva 20mg per day for 3 weeks.
It would also be useful to do HCG, MWF 500iu mid-cycle for one week to prevent atrophy.

 

[BionicBC]

No, start HCG straight after your last shot and do it MWF 1000iu for two weeks. Yes HCG keeps you shut down but for this two week period, the gear is still in your system anyway. After the HCG period is done, continue with Nolva 20mg per day for 3 weeks.
It would also be useful to do HCG, MWF 500iu mid-cycle for one week to prevent atrophy.

THEN HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS????

"The hypothalamus and pituitary are still in a refractory state after prolonged steroid usage, and remain this way while HCG is being used, because the endogenous testosterone produced as a-result of the exogenous HCG represses the endogenous LH production. Once the HCG is discontinued, the athlete must still go through a re-adjustment period. This is merely delayed by the HCG use."

 

[pursuit]

As I said, for two weeks after the last shot, the gear is still in your system ie your LH levels will be repressed anyway from the gear, and adding HCG will not suppress you any further but will restore testicular function. Yes, after the HCG usage (and testicular restoration) the LH levels will still need to be restored. This function is carried out by anti-estrogens.

 

[BionicBC]

As I said, for two weeks after the last shot, the gear is still in your system ie your LH levels will be repressed anyway from the gear, and adding HCG will not suppress you any further but will restore testicular function. Yes, after the HCG usage (and testicular restoration) the LH levels will still need to be restored. This function is carried out by anti-estrogens.

Okay, then I agree. I dont consider PCT to begin until all esters have cleared my system. Up until that point, ill run nolva/hcg, maybe a-dex, but never Clomid until everything is clear, and never HCG after all has cleared. I usually run a short acting AAS while longer esters are clearing, like Test Prop, Winny, exc. That way you dont have a 2-3 week 'limbo' period.
Bionic

 

[Lab_Wizard]

Okay, then I agree. I dont consider PCT to begin until all esters have cleared my system. Up until that point, ill run nolva/hcg, maybe a-dex, but never Clomid until everything is clear, and never HCG after all has cleared. I usually run a short acting AAS while longer esters are clearing, like Test Prop, Winny, exc. That way you dont have a 2-3 week 'limbo' period.
Bionic

SO, the final PCT for my cycle is:

HCG after last shot :MWF 1000iu for two weeks.
After the HCG period is done, continue with Nolva 20mg per day for 3 weeks.

HCG, MWF 500iu mid-cycle for one week to prevent atrophy.

**Use nolva throughout the cycle???You said "continue" with nolva at 20mg/day.

 

[pursuit]

With your dosage, I doubt you'll need Nolva during cycle but you'd be best to start taking 20mg per day during the HCG period (as HCG can cause surge of estrogen) , then after this, continue Nolva 20mg on its own for 3 weeks for PCT purposes.

 

[Lab_Wizard]

Thanks everyone, I am all set.

Just need that controlled delivery now LOL