eq shutdown?

[doitnow3]

Hey Guys,

I just finished a test/deca cycle. I liked the results, as far as vascularity and gains, but I experienced sexual side effects pretty bad. I was told that eq is becoming a favorite because it does not bloat you, and it will not cause deca-dick. Is this true? Are there no sexual side effects or bloating on this gear? Thanks for all responses.

 

[Mini Viper]

Here's some info on eq:

The side effects associated with Equipoise are generally mild. The structure of boldenone does allow it to convert into estrogen, but it does not have an extremely high affinity to do so. To try and quantify this we can look toward aromatization studies, which suggest that its rate of estrogen conversion should be roughly half that of testosterone's. The tendency to develop a noticeable amount of water retention with this drug would therefore be slightly higher than that with Deca-DurabolinO (with an estimated 20% a conversion), but much less than what would be expected with a stronger agent such as Testosterone. While one does still have a chance of encountering an estrogen related side effect as such when using this substance, it is not a common problem when taken at a moderate dosage level. Gynecomastia might theoretically become a concern, but is usually only heaved of with very sensitive individuals or (again) those venturing high in dosage. Should estrogenic effects become troublesome, the addition of Nolvadex and/or Proviron should of course make the cycle more tolerable. An antiaromatase such as Cytadren or Arimidex would be stronger options, however probably not indicated with a mild drug as such.

Equipoise can also produce distinct androgenic side effects. Incidences of oily skin, acne, increased aggression and hair loss are likewise all possible with this compound, although will typically be related to the use of higher doses. Women in fact find this drug quite comfortable, virilization symptoms usually unseen when taken at low doses. Boldenone does reduce to a more potent androgen (dihydroboldenone) via the 5alpha reductase enzyme (which produces DHT from testosterone), however its affinity for this interaction in the human body is low to nonexistent". We therefore cannot consider the reductase inhibitor Proscar to be of much use with Equipoise, as it would be blocking what is at best an insignificant path of metabolism for the steroid. And although this drug is relatively mild, it may still have a depressive effect on endogenous testosterone levels. A combination of HCG and Clomid/Nolvadex may likewise be needed at the conclusion of each cycle to avoid a "crash", particularly when running long in duration.

Not a rapid mass builder, instead Equipoise will be looked at to provide a slow but steady gain of strength and quality muscle mass. The most positive effects of this drug are seen when it is used for longer cycles, usually lasting more than 8-10 weeks in duration. The muscle gained should not be the smooth bulk seen with androgens, but very defined and solid. Since water bloat is not contributing greatly to the diameter of the muscle, much of the size gained on a cycle of Equipoise can be retained after the drug has been discontinued. It is interesting to note that structurally Equipoise and the classic bulking drug Dianabol are almost identical. In the case of Equipoise the compound uses a l7beta ester (undecylenate), while Dianabol is 17 alpha alkylated. Aside from this the molecules are the same. Of course they act quite differently in the body, which goes to show the 17-methylation effects more than just the oral efficacy of a steroid.

hope it helps abit

peace

 

[doitnow3]

Thanks mini viper, it does. But, in regards to the sexual problems while on this drug, does anyone have any experience?

 

[Vicious cycle]

Thanks mini viper, it does. But, in regards to the sexual problems while on this drug, does anyone have any experience?

I'm running TE and EQ, my wife won't turn her back on me.

 

[Spidey]

...Boldenone does reduce to a more potent androgen (dihydroboldenone) via the 5alpha reductase enzyme (which produces DHT from testosterone), however its affinity for this interaction in the human body is low to nonexistent"....

Good read on EQ. It fits with all the other profiles I have read about EQ but with a little more information than most. I have read also that it is considered by many as a slightly more androgenic deca. Has anyone else heard that? Does anyone know how anabolic EQ is compared to Deca?

One thing I find a little amusing though: if boldenone is reduced by 5-AR, that means the 4,5-double bond is reduced leaving the 1,2-double bond intact. That means "dihydroboldenone" is really just 1-testosterone. It amuses me that the author seems to go out of his/her way to avoid calling it 1-test, which we all know is held in low esteem by many steroid users because they think it is somehow inferior because of its legal status.

BTW, all you 1-test haters (LOL) the article acknowledges that DHB(=1-test) is more androgenic than EQ.

 

[thx9000]

For me, anything that is predominantly anabolic will have a pretty impressive impact on libido and test doesn't seem to fix this.

EQ really killed my desire to have sex, VAR did the same thing, and 1-TEST was the worst.

I was running EQ/ENAN at 600/500/wk and was pretty much disinterested and/or had a very hard time getting off. Doing VAR at 37.5mg ED along with 500mg CYP/WK was too much too as I was occasionally horny, but I couldn't stay interested in sex long enough to complete the act. I would just go on forever and just decide to quit. It's weird/embarrassing when a girl asks you, "did you just fake it?"

I dropped the VAR entirely and basically felt uncontrollably horny in just 36hrs so I know it was the VAR. As for 1-Test, I used that and wasn't only disinterested, but physically incapable of becomming interested that was definitely the worst...

Strange thing that I haven't figured out...When I included just a little HCG (like 500iu EW) I was completely "normal" for most of the following week. Doesn't make sense to me since this inclusion would just result in more natural test, but the exo test wasn't doing me any good so I don't know what the natural test was doing "better" than the CYP or ENAN was doing.

 

[doitnow3]

so far, this is really good info...thanks......basically, I am searching for something that will give me nice effects, but not interfere(negatively) with my libido....how about some suggestions? Maybe winny?.fina?........what do you guys think???

 

[DeepZenPill]

You could either do EQ/test or run EQ and Proviron together if you're afraid of sexual sides. EQ doesn't shut you down hard like deca. And don't bother with Fina because that is also terrible when it comes to sexual sides.

 

[majutsu]

nice post minivip thx

 

[DeepZenPill]

One thing I find a little amusing though: if boldenone is reduced by 5-AR, that means the 4,5-double bond is reduced leaving the 1,2-double bond intact. That means "dihydroboldenone" is really just 1-testosterone. It amuses me that the author seems to go out of his/her way to avoid calling it 1-test, which we all know is held in low esteem by many steroid users because they think it is somehow inferior because of its legal status.

BTW, all you 1-test haters (LOL) the article acknowledges that DHB(=1-test) is more androgenic than EQ.

I'm sure the article was written way before 1-test was released on the "pro-steroid" market. The 1-test name was basically chosen as a marketing strategy to associate it with testosterone.

And the fact that dihydroboldenone is a stronger androgen than boldenone is irrelevant. People take EQ because it is a mild androgen and a great anabolic. Being more androgenic doesn't necessarily mean "better."

 

[Spidey]

I'm sure the article was written way before 1-test was released on the "pro-steroid" market. The 1-test name was basically chosen as a marketing strategy to associate it with testosterone.

And the fact that dihydroboldenone is a stronger androgen than boldenone is irrelevant. People take EQ because it is a mild androgen and a great anabolic. Being more androgenic doesn't necessarily mean "better."

I didn't know the article was written before 1-test came out. Hell, I don't even know when 1-test did come out, LOL. It makes sense that the name was chosen as a marketing ploy though; sounds like something they would do.

I know that stronger androgen doesn't necessarily mean better. I was kind of jerking the chain of all the 1-test haters, LOL.

I have heard a couple people now report sexual dysfunction when taking 1-test. I find that very interesting given the androgenic nature (reportedly twice as androgenic as test). It makes me wonder if the problems a few people are having on EQ may be due to the small quantities of 1-test being created via 5-AR reduction of boldenone. Food for thought......

Can anyone tell me how anabolic EQ is in comparison to test? Is it more or less anabolic than test and by how much?

 

[b1ewsw32]

Strange thing that I haven't figured out...When I included just a little HCG (like 500iu EW) I was completely "normal" for most of the following week. Doesn't make sense to me since this inclusion would just result in more natural test, but the exo test wasn't doing me any good so I don't know what the natural test was doing "better" than the CYP or ENAN was doing.

As I explained before, I believe natural test to be much more potent for libido than synthetic(exogenous) test. Possibly through it's libido stimulating properties centered around various brain areas..hypothalamus or certain dopamine pathways in the limbic system.
There is also the possibility of LH posessing pro-sexual attributes,as mostly everyone including yourself had noticed a marked increase in libido with HCG despite having supraphysiological levels of exo. test floating around, which can be counter-productive due to excess aromatization and excessive test causing supression.

The more the better aproach must be avoided here as well for sexual indications, as I believe you may be causing dysfunction in the parasympathetic and sympathetic branches of the autonomic nervous system, possibly by weakeaning parasym. stimulation, which relaxes the trabecular muscle and allows the heceline and dorsal arteries in the penis to dilate and create an erection or there is constant firing of the sympathetic nerves,holding the arteries in constriction. Or a combination of the two as they work in concert.

Overkill with test can cause increase BP-anxiety or chemical imbalances as despite what some believe, some serotonin is needed to facilitate errection.It is only after long term re-uptake inhibition(ssri's) where it becomes supressive to libido and errection.This has been evidenced with studies showing serotonin(5-HT) to have veno-occlusive properties on the deep dorsal vein. This is the main drain vein for blood outflow. This is why some ssri's can cause priapism, not from constant arterial flow but from restricted out-flow.

Remember, the synchronization of the brain's sexual areas and hormonal regulation(thermostat) is very delicate!
I've had my best erections with 100mgs test/week,2000i.u of HCG/wk, 50mg of viagara before the deed and 50 mg/day of zoloft. It was like a spike
Just remember to keep some ephedrine or pseudephedrine in case you have to diflate if it doesn't go down after 4 hours

B32

 

[b1ewsw32]

Good read on EQ. It fits with all the other profiles I have read about EQ but with a little more information than most. I have read also that it is considered by many as a slightly more androgenic deca. Has anyone else heard that? Does anyone know how anabolic EQ is compared to Deca?

EQ's derivative( Dihydroboldenone) is 7x as anabolic as test gram for gram.

Deca-Durabolin is 2.4x as anabolic as test gram for gram

Dihydroboldenone is nearly 3x as anabolic as deca-durabolin gram for gram.

B32

 

[doitnow3]

hmmm........ok, so here is a question for ya......what kind of effects on body composition and libido could be achieved from using ONLY hcg?.........can this be done for long periods?....What could be expected??

 

[Deleted member 33117]

hmmm........ok, so here is a question for ya......what kind of effects on body composition and libido could be achieved from using ONLY hcg?.........can this be done for long periods?....What could be expected??

The ability fo HCG to elevate testosterone production reduces over time, and actually every time you use it post-cycle. While you might make some gains on it until it begins losing its effectiveness, you'll have to take great efforts to deal with the elevated estragen levels it causes as well. Test is much cheaper, and easier to deal with.

 

[pharmguy]

Eq when taken with test will not interefer with your libidio, and may increase it.

It does mine

 

[b1ewsw32]

hmmm........ok, so here is a question for ya......what kind of effects on body composition and libido could be achieved from using ONLY hcg?.........can this be done for long periods?....What could be expected??

To be honest with you, I've done a few HCG only cycles for 4 weeks at a time with 20mgs. of nolva/day. I respond really well to HCG and my strength went up considerably, as my jewels were cranking out considerable test , more then I would ever produce via hypothalm-pituitary-leydig cell-test.Libido was also through the roof.
However this starts to decrease after the 3rd week and is ill-advised.
Although there are certain patients who need to be treated for several months and up to 18mos. for medical conditions like prepubertal cryptorchidism, delayed adolescence,hypogonadotropic eunuchoidism,prader-willi disease and Kleinfelter syndrome, they still adhere to a regimen of 6-8 wks with 2-3wks down time.
Your body composition will resemble that of the michelin man bro as you will produce excessive estrogen and you run the risk of de-sensitizing your leydig cells to HCG when you truly need it for post cycle, and not for anabolic/ergogenic use.
Plus as already stated by BBfinaplex test is a lot cheaper

B32

 

[geoboy]

EQ's derivative( Dihydroboldenone) is 7x as anabolic as test gram for gram.

B32

but at what rate does EQ reduce to DHB?

 

[doitnow3]

Great info guys...thanks!!!

 

[gtrcivic]

last cycle was ttko EQ .. gained about 6 lbs of lean mass. Side effects were increased sex drive and acne post cycle.

 

[Spidey]

EQ's derivative( Dihydroboldenone) is 7x as anabolic as test gram for gram.

Deca-Durabolin is 2.4x as anabolic as test gram for gram

Dihydroboldenone is nearly 3x as anabolic as deca-durabolin gram for gram.

B32

Thanks for the information. I knew that 1-test was 7 x anabolic than test but I didn't know how anabolic deca was compared to test.

My question though was how anabolic is EQ (not dihydroboldenone) compared to test. Does anyone know?

 

[b1ewsw32]

but at what rate does EQ reduce to DHB?

Dont know exactly but it shows very little affinity for the 5-alpha reductase enzyme. A large part of the anabolic effect boldenone exerts is from the hormone binding to the androgen receptor.
If it resembles test in any way, then hopefully boldenone is more anabolic than DHB, similarily how test is much more anabolic than DHT, where DHT has very little anabolic properties.
I couldn't find any exact information in regards to boldenone's exact anabolic activity. Perhaps some mods could chime in.Also if someone has access to vetrinary journals, you may find some exact numbers.

B32

 

[IHateCrunches]

do you think you would have more side effects from a EQ only cycle at 500ml/wk for 10 weeks or a Deca cycle for same time span. In your opinion which is the best post cycle therapy for the EQ?

 

[pharmguy]

EQ's derivative( Dihydroboldenone) is 7x as anabolic as test gram for gram.

I was wondering where you came by this info

 

[Spidey]

I was wondering where you came by this info

I read the same study somewhere. If memory serves,it was tested in rat leviator (sp?) muscle and was concluded to be 4 to 7 times as anabolic as test.

 

[b1ewsw32]

do you think you would have more side effects from a EQ only cycle at 500ml/wk for 10 weeks or a Deca cycle for same time span. In your opinion which is the best post cycle therapy for the EQ?

I'm assuming you were refering to 500mgs/wk for 10wks.
If the deca dose is the same@500mgs/wk. you'll experience more sides with the deca...more bloat,deca-dick and a much longer, more agressive post-cycle protocol will be required.
Although if you're one of the few people who experience heightened anxiety or panic attacks with EQ , then go with the deca if you have no other options. However make sure you add in some test,even 100mgs/wk with your deca and if you have access proviron@50mgs/day for pro-sexual purposes.
For that dose/duration of EQ...500i.u fo HCG/day sub-Q for 10-20 days tops with 20mgs.tamoxifen/day then follow with 50mgs.of clomid and 20mgs.tamoxifen for another 20 days.
Or 50mgs of clomid and 20mgs of tamoxifen for 30 days. Remember you must wait 15-20 days after your last EQ shot before comencing option 1 and 21 days for option 2.

Bear in mind that the younger you are and the fewer high-dose/long term androgen cycles you've done the easier it will be for you to recover your HPTA.
If this is your first cycle of EQ you may regain normal endocrine function within 3-5wks after your last EQ shot without any post-cycle ancillaries. I see that you just turned 21 in may.Try recovering on your own Bro. It wont be difficult. Save the post-cycle protocols until they're necessary.

B32

 

[bicepts101]

I read the same study somewhere. If memory serves,it was tested in rat leviator (sp?) muscle and was concluded to be 4 to 7 times as anabolic as test.

i believe the 7x stronger thing is just marking scam. it works but not 7x as strong. complete lies.

 

[b1ewsw32]

I was wondering where you came by this info

Once I tell ya, I'll have to kill ya! J/K
Actually Spidey's on the right track.

Peace out...B32

 

[IHateCrunches]

good read on EQ.. helps alot. and thanks b1ewsw32

 

[Deleted member 33117]

i believe the 7x stronger thing is just marking scam. it works but not 7x as strong. complete lies.

Its total hype. 1-test does not increase protien synthesis 7X a similar dose of testosterone. If this were the case, some 170 ibs jackass could eat 1000 g of protien a day, and use 1-test for 6 moths and weight 300 ibs without a gain in bodyfat.

For those who wanted to know the anabolic activity of boldenon compaired to test. Its anabolic effect is roughly equal to that of testosterone, with an affinity for the androgen receptor that is roughly 50% of what which testosterone possess. It is a substrait for the aromatase enzyme, with an affinity for the enzyme that is roughly half that of test. In other words, boldenon is a reduced testosterone, with the same level of anaboli activity.

 

[Spidey]

Its total hype. 1-test does not increase protien synthesis 7X a similar dose of testosterone. If this were the case, some 170 ibs jackass could eat 1000 g of protien a day, and use 1-test for 6 moths and weight 300 ibs without a gain in bodyfat.

For those who wanted to know the anabolic activity of boldenon compaired to test. Its anabolic effect is roughly equal to that of testosterone, with an affinity for the androgen receptor that is roughly 50% of what which testosterone possess. It is a substrait for the aromatase enzyme, with an affinity for the enzyme that is roughly half that of test. In other words, boldenon is a reduced testosterone, with the same level of anaboli activity.

Isn't dbol several times as anabolic as test? Can some "jackass" eat 1000 g protein a day, use dbol for 6 months and gain 300 lbs with no BF? DAMN, I GOTTA TRY THAT!! I wonder how I would look at 460 lbs and 5'8", LMAO.

Thanks for the EQ to test comparison. So deca is more anabolic than EQ? Where did you find this info?

BTW, technical error: boldenone is actually an OXIDIZED testosterone, not a reduced test (it has one more double bond and is therefore at a higher oxidation state).

 

[IHateCrunches]

But EQ doesnt aromatize i thought, its safe. I dont have any post cycle recovery for it. I htought i can deal with just natural herbs.

 

[bicepts101]

Its total hype. 1-test does not increase protien synthesis 7X a similar dose of testosterone. If this were the case, some 170 ibs jackass could eat 1000 g of protien a day, and use 1-test for 6 moths and weight 300 ibs without a gain in bodyfat.

thankyou BBF

 

[Spidey]

But EQ doesnt aromatize i thought, its safe. I dont have any post cycle recovery for it. I htought i can deal with just natural herbs.

Actually, EQ does aromatize somewhat, just not as much as test (half as much according to bodybyfinaplix).

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Isn't dbol several times as anabolic as test? Can some "jackass" eat 1000 g protein a day, use dbol for 6 months and gain 300 lbs with no BF? DAMN, I GOTTA TRY THAT!! I wonder how I would look at 460 lbs and 5'8", LMAO.

Thanks for the EQ to test comparison. So deca is more anabolic than EQ? Where did you find this info?

BTW, technical error: boldenone is actually an OXIDIZED testosterone, not a reduced test (it has one more double bond and is therefore at a higher oxidation state).

No, trenbolone is the most anabolic steroid currently in existance. Its level of anabolic activity is roughly twice that of testosterone. D-bol is not really much stronger than testosterone. The molecule itself is actually considerably weaker and less androgen receptor binding ability than test, however the fact that it is 17aa changes this. It allows it to stay in the bloodstream much longer once free, thus giving it more time to bind to a receptor. This is part of the reason it seems to exhibit such strong estragenic activity as well, despite only being a substrate for the aromatase enzyme at roughly 44% (if my memory serves me correctly) of the rate of testosterone. The 17aa nature of the drug remains intake once converted, thus is ia not regular estragen. The estradoil it converts to stays in the bloodstream much longer than regular estragen, thus again has more time to bind to a receptor.

I still stand by my regular statement concerning 1-test.