Eq and Prop cycle

[richard burnett]

What's up fellas,

Stats
Age: 21
Weight: 182lbs
Height: 5'11"
BF: 7%

Goals: Lean Strength and Hardness

Wk 1-12 eq 400mgs/week, Mon/Thurs Pin
Wk 1-15 prop 300mgs/week, EOD Pin
Wk 15-19 Nolvadex 40/40/30/20

*letro on hand JIC
*Everything homebrewed
*Animal Pak ED
*Jack3d Pre-Workout

Diet: No strict diet, I'm a fitness professional who works better by planning meals for each day as they come instead of weeks in advance but I like Ori Hofmekler's Warrior Diet enough to follow it by the letter.

Workout: Eric Cressey's 16 week strength program (Google it, he's a god)

I am just coming off 4 weeks of Epistane and I am very impatient about starting this cycle. I plan on taking 20mg ED of nolva for a week or two then starting my eq/prop cycle. I've dicked around with prohormones such as Havoc, Pro-Magnon, and E-Pol for 2 years now and am ready for some real gear.

Background info: Full-time Exercise Science student and Personal trainer. Been weight training for 5 years. Blessed with great genetics. My future wife is a RN and she's excited to pin me. I am new to this forum but not to gear, I love studying it and have read dozens of threads on this forum. I respect the feedback I've read; I know I've come to the right place for knowledge.

Questions:

1. Should I wait to start this cycle after just coming off of Epistane for 4 weeks (took last cap today)?

2. Since I homebrew, should I just combine the eq and prop? I don't mind injects, in fact Im dying to get fucking pinned.

3. I've considered just doing an eq-only cycle since this is my first and am very responsive to gear; would that be a waist? I know It's hardly androgenic but I know I would gain. I've read a post stating that the point of taking gear is to do so without letting anyone notice; I have a feeling I will become a monster on this cycle because of how well I respond...any feedback on that?

4. I still have a ton of left over Havoc, any way of incorporating it into this cycle some how? I just love that compound...

5. How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

Glad to be a part of this site and hope to learn as much as I can from you guys.

*pics will be up soon

Rich

 

[axe3]

I can answer question3 for you. I have done an eq only cycle. It was very good slow steady gains - ripped as fook EXCEPT I had no libido at all. I could get it up but just didnt want the sex. I talked with others who had done eq only cycles - and I was not the only one with sex issues. Sooo I would keep test in there just so you dont run into that problem. Why are you running prop with your eq (seems like a lot of unndecessary sticks)?

 

[lartinos]

ya, why not enan/cyp?

 

[richard burnett]

I can answer question3 for you. I have done an eq only cycle. It was very good slow steady gains - ripped as fook EXCEPT I had no libido at all. I could get it up but just didnt want the sex. I talked with others who had done eq only cycles - and I was not the only one with sex issues. Sooo I would keep test in there just so you dont run into that problem. Why are you running prop with your eq (seems like a lot of unndecessary sticks)?

I am doing prop mostly because I don't trust the enanthate from China that I brewed and don't feel like waiting 2-3 weeks for some cyp to come in...Also I like the option of being able to lower Test dosages and stick frequencies ASAP if I were to get too many sides. I'm not looking forward to getting pinned 75 times but what the hell.

Interesting feedback with the EQ only cycle...I will look up some more journals and see what other people are experiencing. I got ripped to shreds and gained 8 pounds of muscle just being on Epistane for 4 weeks so I can imagine what EQ would do for me...

 

[ChangNam]

Know u want to look lean. Why not try masteron and prop ? I realy think eq is waist of $ Not expect to see to much from it...

 

[thelocal]

if you had the $ i say primo and prop

 

[richard burnett]

if you had the $ i say primo and prop

Both of you guys are right in your suggestions but I don't have either of those on hand...I just hear so many good things about EQ that I am dying to try it at least once. Lubricated joints, red blood cell count, appetite, and little to no androgenic sides.

 

[lartinos]

The reason for Eq killing sex drive is because it only has only moderate to low androgenic effects. This is one reason most people like to have one steroid with androgenic properties in their cycle.

 

[thelocal]

yea dont do an eq only cycle youll regret it

 

[ChangNam]

To be honest EQ is nothing but waist of $. So to all u EQ lovers i am sorry to say this. but i never ever realy understand the act of EQ. I have used it 2-3 times and i sucks big time. I will never use it again eaven if i get if for free.

 

[d_rson]

Everything I've read from people who have had success with EQ, it really starts to show its stuff in week 10 and on. So I think you should run it for 14 weeks atleast.

Also since prop kicks in so quickly, and EQ so slowly, you probably could get away with starting prop a little later in the cycle (and have less pins).

 

[eClenbuterol]

You're going to be miserable using prop thruout that cycle,sure it will be fun at first but believe me the novelity will wear off fast, EQ at dosages of 400mgs up will make you vascular as hell!

 

[d_rson]

Also, I think you need to strengthen up your PCT plan, that's a long cycle, you're going to need more than nolva.

 

[richard burnett]

Everything I've read from people who have had success with EQ, it really starts to show its stuff in week 10 and on. So I think you should run it for 14 weeks atleast.

Also since prop kicks in so quickly, and EQ so slowly, you probably could get away with starting prop a little later in the cycle (and have less pins).

I've definitely thought about doing that, starting the Test at week 3 or so. I've got some other feedback saying that I should just cut out EQ since it will be my first Test cycle but I want to keep the lean/anabolic component that EQ provides...what do you think about just doing Test P first to test my responsiveness?

 

[richard burnett]

You're going to be miserable using prop thruout that cycle,sure it will be fun at first but believe me the novelity will wear off fast, EQ at dosages of 400mgs up will make you vascular as hell!

I know prop will suck and I'm thinking of changing my pins to this:

Wk 1-12 EQ .5cc EOD w/Prop (350mg) or .75cc EOD (475mg)?
Wk 4-15 TEST P 1cc EOD w/EQ (350mg) or 1.25cc EOD (425mg)?
Wk 15-19 Clomid 150/125/100/100
Wk 15-19 Nolvadex 40/30/20/20
Arimidex?
Clenbuterol?

I'd be content with running Prop only but I really am dying to try some EQ...I have a feeling I'll respond so well to it since I have such a low BF%.

Appreciate any feedback.

 

[axe3]

I've definitely thought about doing that, starting the Test at week 3 or so. I've got some other feedback saying that I should just cut out EQ since it will be my first Test cycle but I want to keep the lean/anabolic component that EQ provides...what do you think about just doing Test P first to test my responsiveness?

I've run a number of cycles. I personally am a huge fan of understanding how my body responds to a certain compound (test) before stacking. So I like it.

So many guys want to run huge stacks for their first cycle - this seems foolish to me b/c they have no idea how their body is responding to what.

 

[d_rson]

I've definitely thought about doing that, starting the Test at week 3 or so. I've got some other feedback saying that I should just cut out EQ since it will be my first Test cycle but I want to keep the lean/anabolic component that EQ provides...what do you think about just doing Test P first to test my responsiveness?

I'd do test p for 8 weeks first time. Trust me, test will give you a lean/anabolic run. If you get a little bloat, throw in 12.5mg aromasin EOD to lean you back out. But get to know test first.

 

[richard burnett]

I'd do test p for 8 weeks first time. Trust me, test will give you a lean/anabolic run. If you get a little bloat, throw in 12.5mg aromasin EOD to lean you back out. But get to know test first.

Sounds great, lean/anabolic is definitely what I want from my first cycle.