EQ Alone Question

[Malcolme]

Hi

I'm doing one gram a week of EQ. Not really intending to cut as such but seeking to harden-up a bit and maybe trim back from c.290 to about 275 lbs (6ft 3ins) very gradually. I'm now approaching 6 weeks in and was intending to go for perhaps 16 in total. I've done a number of cycles (c.7 or 8) over the last 5 or 6 years and know that I can respond well without test. Usually don't go over 750mg-ish of everything in total. I've tightened up my diet, dropping winter junk but it's definitely not "dieting". I am hardening up somewhat and getting a little veinier and the pumps are deep but it's all very, very slow and it doesn't really seem to be anything for my strength - I've read so many times that EQ is good for strength.

For those who have run highish EQ alone, what should my expectations be? (It's BD from a welll-respected source who has always been 100%) Does it take ages for the best effects to come through (or does nothing more than this light effect ever take hold)?

I would have expect a little more to be going on by now......

Malcolm

 

[krishna]

Eq alone seems to be more for strength and muscle preservation, not gain. If you stack it with something else, it will help you preserve what you've gained. Taking it alone, the effects are very gradual, and sometimes so gradual that you don't really notice much.

 

[52_21_30]

Eq alone seems to be more for strength and muscle preservation, not gain. If you stack it with something else, it will help you preserve what you've gained. Taking it alone, the effects are very gradual, and sometimes so gradual that you don't really notice much.

Very true. This is also why EQ is popular for bridging. It's low side effects and low aromatization also make it ideal for this reason. I've had some bad experiences with EQ anxiety but am giving it one final chance in a bridge and then bumping it up for a cycle. Personally I'd never use it alone in a cycle. But the again I'm a bodybuilder. It might have a use alone for some sports (cycling maybe) I'm not sure.

 

[fasteddie_212]

Heard there are a lot of BD fakes out there...just throwing it out there.

 

[52_21_30]

For those who have run highish EQ alone, what should my expectations be? (It's BD from a welll-respected source who has always been 100%) Does it take ages for the best effects to come through (or does nothing more than this light effect ever take hold)?

I would have expect a little more to be going on by now......

Malcolm

It's a crude anaology, but think of EQ as deca without the hard HPTA shutdown and water retention. It's a very mild anabolic, and even with a perfect bulkign diet and training using a gram of it pew week alone should be good for about 8-10 lbs (at best) of lean mass over 4-5 months. Even just a small amount of test (500/week) would increase your gains drastically.

 

[Magick69]

no offence guys but this is another gear that a person should experiment. Eq is very controversial as anavar

when i made my research i read people that achieved good gain with anavar at 30 mg and people who would say you are wasting gear. then decided to go for anavar and i am in the middle of a 40 mg for 8 weeks of anavr (next week is the 5) and i am up 4 kg and down 3 % of fat , sure i could have done more using other gear but for me is good enough and certainly the '30-40 mg anavar waste of gear equation' is not true.

I want to try eq as well and i will do a cycle of 400 mg for 12 weeks now they say that eq will increase your appetite so how can yield a shit result a gear that help u to eat more? (food for definition is anabolic)

in short my advice continue to use it and are u sure the eq that u use is ok? Find lots of thread that 400-600 over 12 weeks gave a good weight gain and few sides

 

[Selene]

Hi

I'm doing one gram a week of EQ. Not really intending to cut as such but seeking to harden-up a bit and maybe trim back from c.290 to about 275 lbs (6ft 3ins) very gradually. I'm now approaching 6 weeks in and was intending to go for perhaps 16 in total. I've done a number of cycles (c.7 or 8) over the last 5 or 6 years and know that I can respond well without test. Usually don't go over 750mg-ish of everything in total. I've tightened up my diet, dropping winter junk but it's definitely not "dieting". I am hardening up somewhat and getting a little veinier and the pumps are deep but it's all very, very slow and it doesn't really seem to be anything for my strength - I've read so many times that EQ is good for strength.

For those who have run highish EQ alone, what should my expectations be? (It's BD from a welll-respected source who has always been 100%) Does it take ages for the best effects to come through (or does nothing more than this light effect ever take hold)?

I would have expect a little more to be going on by now......

Malcolm

you will get many different answers, some will say they did not get good results, others will say they found they had very good results and some in the middle. This is good test for how your body responds to this product. From what you say it sound like you are responding well

Good luck to you

 

[52_21_30]

Selene makes a good point. If a gram of EQ by itself works for you then by all means keep at it. What works for some will do shit for others and vice versa. Just keep your diet and training on point so you can get an accurate picture of what the boldenone is doing for you.

Good luck!

 

[Malcolme]

Thanks for the various points of view. I'll keep at it as it is, one gram of EQ alone, up to about 8 or 9 weeks and update on here (the temptation is always - for me at least - to chuck an extra gallon of test into the mix the second I start any cycle!!) but I'm keen to run this to some kind of conclusion. I just hope the almost complete lack of any sides is not an indication of an almost complete lack of any serious efficacy!
Malcolm

 

[aleksis]

i've tried EQ alone and i tell u one thing guys i gain 15 pound on that stuff (i did 600mg/w ) And i was very happy whith that!!!

 

[52_21_30]

i've tried EQ alone and i tell u one thing guys i gain 15 pound on that stuff (i did 600mg/w ) And i was very happy whith that!!!

Was it your virgin cycle?

 

[beachstud]

I just started week 9 of a 500 Test-E/800 Eq cycle and I can tell you the effects of the Eq are very gradual. I only have one other cycle to compare it to, a 500 Deca/500 Test-E 12-weeker (my 1st) where I put on like 15 lbs of weight inside of two weeks.

Here I am in week 9 and only last week did I start to notice the increased strength and size. It weird, I waited 4 weeks to add in the test. Once I added the test, I felt those effects but overall it wasn't what I expected. I thought something was wrong with the gear, etc. and then as of a week or two ago, my strength has skyrocketed and people are making uncomfortable comments again (he he, the best kind!!).

Camp out for a bit, give the Eq a chance, and don't run the Eq for less than 16 weeks total to get the real effects out of it. Just my .02

 

[52_21_30]

I just started week 9 of a 500 Test-E/800 Eq cycle and I can tell you the effects of the Eq are very gradual. I only have one other cycle to compare it to, a 500 Deca/500 Test-E 12-weeker (my 1st) where I put on like 15 lbs of weight inside of two weeks.

Here I am in week 9 and only last week did I start to notice the increased strength and size. It weird, I waited 4 weeks to add in the test. Once I added the test, I felt those effects but overall it wasn't what I expected. I thought something was wrong with the gear, etc. and then as of a week or two ago, my strength has skyrocketed and people are making uncomfortable comments again (he he, the best kind!!).

Camp out for a bit, give the Eq a chance, and don't run the Eq for less than 16 weeks total to get the real effects out of it. Just my .02

Great points. Nothing wrong with gradual gains. After all, easy come, easy go.

 

[Malcolme]

Hi, thanks again for the opinions. As for patience (and avoiding the temptation to stick myself with a quart of Test E!), things are actually picking up as we enter week six and another weekly gram taken. Doing my back today, intending to move on to biceps, I got so spectacularly pumped doing heavy rows and pullldowns that I could barely make a fist, never mind continue on with curls. I also think I am beginning to look quite a bit "bumpier" - not necessarily much bigger but definitely more shapely. This is really what I want a lot more of at my size - not cutting as such but a qualitative shift of body sculpture. I'll stick at it and keep you informed - by the way I've tried the high dose Primo (800mg pw) thing alone in the past and that really didn't do a great deal for me at alll. People do say that gm for gm EQ is stronger so I'll persist with both the higher dose and the allegedly stronger med. Sides remain next to zero.
Malcolm

 

[beachstud]

Hi, thanks again for the opinions. As for patience (and avoiding the temptation to stick myself with a quart of Test E!), things are actually picking up as we enter week six and another weekly gram taken. Doing my back today, intending to move on to biceps, I got so spectacularly pumped doing heavy rows and pullldowns that I could barely make a fist, never mind continue on with curls. I also think I am beginning to look quite a bit "bumpier" - not necessarily much bigger but definitely more shapely. This is really what I want a lot more of at my size - not cutting as such but a qualitative shift of body sculpture. I'll stick at it and keep you informed - by the way I've tried the high dose Primo (800mg pw) thing alone in the past and that really didn't do a great deal for me at alll. People do say that gm for gm EQ is stronger so I'll persist with both the higher dose and the allegedly stronger med. Sides remain next to zero.
Malcolm

You're dead-on with the 'bumpier thing. That's the best way to describe it. Eq is more of a shirt-off roid than test or deca. With those two there's just mass everywhere. With eq, the effect is most noticeable with your shirt off/tank top, etc.

And I'm with you. No sides at all for me. (with AIFM and Proviron of course).

 

[Malcolme]

Hi - another update on the gram of EQ a week thing (because I've struggled to find other case studies of EQ-alone cycles at higher doses).
It's now seven and a half weeks - and things are starting to really happen. I've moving past the hardening up phase which really started after about five weeks and am beginning to experience some growth as well, particularly in my arms. This is not bloat, but tight, veiny development, although accompanied with some definite size as well.
Still no sides - apart from some increased restlessness at night, though I think I am very sensitive to this always on-cycle as I sleep fairly awfully at the best of times.
As for shutdown, well, get this - I am at JH2 on the JHS!!*

* Juice Horniness Scale:-

JH1: passers-by look out!
JH2: check afterwards to see if human, breathing and female!
JH3: mounds of exploded small animals in back garden!

- I'll do another update in a couple of weeks.

Malcolm

 

[krishna]

Does a gram make your heart pound heavy? I'm sure you'll get some good/quality gains off of a gram. Any shedding? Eq makes me horny too.

 

[Malcolme]

.....Maybe just a little bit of extra "awareness" in the heart area - about the same as from moderate test (eg. 500mg pw), nothing like the impact of a major dose of androgens. I'm funny as regards hair - I've been slowly thinning for many years (still have a reasonable amount for my age - but AAS over the last five years don't seem to have accelerated the process at all).

 

[beachstud]

Hi - another update on the gram of EQ a week thing (because I've struggled to find other case studies of EQ-alone cycles at higher doses).
It's now seven and a half weeks - and things are starting to really happen. I've moving past the hardening up phase which really started after about five weeks and am beginning to experience some growth as well, particularly in my arms. This is not bloat, but tight, veiny development, although accompanied with some definite size as well.
Still no sides - apart from some increased restlessness at night, though I think I am very sensitive to this always on-cycle as I sleep fairly awfully at the best of times.
As for shutdown, well, get this - I am at JH2 on the JHS!!*

* Juice Horniness Scale:-

JH1: passers-by look out!
JH2: check afterwards to see if human, breathing and female!
JH3: mounds of exploded small animals in back garden!

- I'll do another update in a couple of weeks.

Malcolm

JH2... LMFAO

 

[Malcolme]

Hi
It's now coming into the tenth week of 1gm of EQ alone. I think I am beginning to change shape quite noticeably - two people asked me in the gym tonight what I was doing - it was more in puzzlement than a "God, you've got huge overnight" kind-of-a-way.
Sides are beginning - roid tension and anger has built up over the last two weeks but is still sub-critical and pushed rationally to one side.
Strength has finally begun to move up - this took two full months to register at a level beyond what could be explained away as the typical AAS psychosomatic quick boost. Not a lot - about 10% or so and, just in the last week, extra reps. are going up. I get the expectation that things are going to move on quite quickly - you know, that kind of jet-powered buzz you start to get in your muscles when gear kicks in?
I feel much tighter all round than I have ever done.
My question is how long do you think I can run this for reasonably - 10 weeks tomorrow and I think I'm now in the fabled EQ "money zone" - that's quite a long time already......how far would you go?
Cheers
Malcolme

 

[thezan]

Good log, sounds like it's comming good. Id keep er going another 6 weeks fersure, but make sure you keep checking your blood pressure, 1 gram a week of EQ could elevate it.

Id throw some winny in with it.

 

[digit0x]

sounds good man glad to hear its working out... i keep going back and forth between eq only and eq + test. let me know how your PCT goes and such.

 

[52_21_30]

Don't mean to hijack the thread, but it's relevant to anyone using EQ. I'm in week 4 of 600 mg/week and finally got my first full blown anxiety attack last night. I can't say for sure if it was the EQ. I had taken t-rex and Red Blast prior to my workout, and the session was amazing. I've been taking those supps for weeks now and no such problems. The other variable is that all the treadmills at the gym were taken so my post-workout cardio was on an elliptical. It was great, but may have vasodilated the piss out of me because when I got home my entire body was warm and my heart rate was between 100 and 116 for about an hour.

So there were many variables here, but i'll keep you all posted if it happens again, and if I begrudgingly have to stop the EQ. I'll be super pissed if I have to. I was really enjoying it thus far.