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Ephedrine 150mg/day

Hey....

RIKER....tell what you said above to the families of the ones who died using regular doses!!!! You won't cause your a bitch who has no idea wtf he is talkin about!!!
 
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TheDarkSideNinja said:
RIKER....tell what you said above to the families of the ones who died using regular doses!!!! You won't cause your a bitch who has no idea wtf he is talkin about!!!

Please post evidence of a death that was the result of ephedrine used according to the directions. I'd like to see one.
 
HERE IS JUST 1 SOURCE OF THE MANY I HAVE!!! NOT TO MENTION I KNOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY USED NORMAL DOSES AND EXPERIENCED BAD PROBS SO BLOW THAT OUTTA YOUR PIPES YOU HOMO!!!


Ephedrine (Metabolife) Side Effects
Derived from an evergreen plant in Central Asia, ephedra is used as a major ingredient in sport drinks and dietary supplements. Currently, Metabolife International's diet pill is under investigation. Taking Metabolife and other ephedra products heightens alertness by stimulating the central nervous system, but products including Metabolife have been linked to deadly and serious ephedrine side effects. The FDA had been unsuccessfully trying to obtain adverse ephedrine side effects reports from the industry since at least 1997, but since the deregulation of herbal products, the figures had not been collected.

The FDA has been collecting and receiving reports of adverse ephedrine side effects since 1994, and in a September 1994 FDA Medical Bulletin, the agency reported the number was increasing. The reported reactions varied from mild ephedrine side effects to very serious conditions including:

nervousness
dizziness
tremor
alternations in blood pressure or heart rate
headache
gastrointestinal distress
chest pain
myocardial infarction
hepatitis
stroke
seizures
pyschosis
death
Since 1994, the FDA has collected reports of over 100 deaths among ephedra users such as Metabolife. Metabolife is the number one maker of ephedra supplements in the U.S. A report from the Centers for Disease Control on August 16, 1996, reported that the Bureau of Food and Drug safety, Texas Department of Health, received around 500 reports of adverse ephedrine side effects in persons that consumed the dietary supplement products. The adverse ephedrine side effects report total included reports by individuals and as identified by the Bureau of Epidemiology in a review of records from the six Texas Poison Center Network centers. The severity of the ephedrine side effects ranged, but eight ephedrine users died and reports of stroke, myocardial infarction, chest pain, and seizures were reported. The reports included patients that followed the recommended dosage.

According to a December 21, 2000 New England Journal of Medicine article, researchers consider 25 mg to be the recommended therapeutic dose that is usually given with about 200 mg of caffeine. This one dose of Metabolife quickens the heart rate, opens up the bronchial airways allowing more oxygen to become available, and constricts the blood vessels resulting in an increased blood pressure. Some Metabolife users react more strongly to ephedrine compounds whether or not they follow a recommended dosage leading to a reason why Metabolife side effects are experienced.

On October 11, 2001, Public Citizen consumer group made a statement before the National Academy of Sciences on the Framework for Evaluating the Safety of Dietary Supplements citing data collected from January 1993- February 2001 to demonstrate that ephedrine alkaloid dietary supplements have been associated with more deaths, myocardial infarctions, cardiac arrhythmias, hypertension, stroke, and seizure events than all other dietary supplements combined. The data according to the FDA analysis showed during this time frame there were:

3308 adverse events for all dietary supplements, 1398 of these (42%) for the ephedrine alkaloids
137 reports of death, 81 deaths (59%) associated with ephedrine alkaloids
38 reports of myocardial infarction/heart attack, 32 reports (84%) associated with ephedrine alkaloids
98 reports of cardiac arrhythmias, 62 (63%) associated with ephedrine alkaloids
144 reports of hypertension, 91 (63%) associated with ephedrine alkaloids
85 reports of stroke, 69 (81%) associated with ephedrine alkaloids
121 reports of seizure, 70 (58%) associated with ephedrine alkaloids
 
TheDarkSideNinja said:
HERE IS JUST 1 SOURCE OF THE MANY I HAVE!!! NOT TO MENTION I KNOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY USED NORMAL DOSES AND EXPERIENCED BAD PROBS SO BLOW THAT OUTTA YOUR PIPES YOU HOMO!!!

mods awhile ago you said that you would try to control personal insults from one EF member to the other. darksideninja has been constantly insulting other EF members.
 
Darkside, can't seem to get along??
 
"Blow it out your pipes homo" ...wow that insult was almost as pathetic as your attempt to answer my question.

You posted the same bullshit ephedrine propaganda that the 700 club was spouting off the other day. Its meaningless. If there are "100's of deaths" then I ask you...show me proof of one. You won't find it. The truth is there has never been a single death attributed to ephedrine used according to directions...never.


If you still don't believe me, Darksideninja, then just show me one. Find a case where someone died as a result of using ephedrine correctly. I dare you.
 
I can show you a list of "possible" side effects almost as long for everything from caffeine, to alchohol, to cigarettes, to Tylenol.

For example, any idea how fast you can ruin a liver using Tylenol that is found right in your medicine cabinet? Does that mean that this very beneficial drug should be banned? That just becuase some idiots COULD take a bunch and screw up his liver, that it should be taken off the market?

Yes, every drug of any type has SOME risks. It is a tragedy that some individuals, in rare instances, may take a drug that is otherwise safe for many many people but yet causes an adverse effect in ONE person. Thats a shame - but is it a reason to ban a potentially GOOD drug from widespread use?

One things that IS indisputable is that people being idiots and taking ridiculous doseage levels is just a train wreck waiting to happen.

In many cases where Eph seemed to be the "cause", closer investgation finds that OTHER factors were in play. Maybe the person was dehydratred, they were ill, or they took too damned much! Maybe they were a fat ass who was out of shape and popped a few and went into cardiac vapor lock.

Yeah, one could have a discussion about maybe provding better, more infoed, REAL: warnings on labels about Eph. But for anyone to take like 150 mg a day is stupid,. Just plane stupid. And I have NO sympathy for them if they croak. And I also get pissed becuase their stupdity ends up imflaming people and cuases hysteria which may take something off the market that should be available for RESPONSIBLE ADULTS to take.

By the way, for the dude who ghot personal - thats what Karma is for. I am not sayin that

everyone who reads this should now immediatley give "TheDarkSideNinja" negative karka

... for his above childish remarks, but its a thought.
 
Riker, great post. Tylenol, alcohol, and many others actually do kill quite a bit of people each year.

I'm still waiting on anyone to present one confirmed death w/ responsible use of ephedrine as the cause. They just aren't there. Ephedrine actually has a great track record for safety when used responsibly. There is a media witch hunt going on w/ E right now, so everything gets twisted around to sound like its fuckin crack....but the truth is very differnt.
 
Just to add...obviously there are quite a few risks w/ Ephdrine...as with anything...but when used responsibly...the truth is its very safe. Its probably as safe as caffeine for 90%+ of people that workout....the real problem usually comes when fat fucks try to take it to lose weight w/o exercise or diet and then get jittery. They give it a bad name.
 
Well....

Give me bad karma and see what i care. I'm not going to sit there and take shit from some people like DepressiveJuicy and his other girls who make assumptions about people. Did you all do studies on the short term and especially long term effects of Ephedra not to mention the cost versus benefit concept which obviously yall have no idea about when it comes to values that's why some of you who ignore science and work off how you feel at the time will find yourselves in the grave sooner than what should have been. And don't worry i will pull up the fukin case studies i did for a research project which show the recommended doses hurt some people. Yes alcohol, smoking, what have you I.M.O is also bullshit. I don't agree with it that's why i don't take part in it. Yes your right the govt. is fucked up but when you have friends come to you and say my heart was racing while on an Ephedra or you see some side effects such as dizziness and people passing out and having seizures then you fuckin realize the reality. And yes all them were healthy, had no prior health probs., and took recommended doses. Maybe someday it will happen to you where you see sme nice sides from this drug but im hoping it doesn't....Just remember there is no substitution for hard work and diet!!!! ;)
 
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