Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below
napsgear
genezapharmateuticals
domestic-supply
puritysourcelabs
UGL OZ
UGFREAK
napsgeargenezapharmateuticals domestic-supplypuritysourcelabsUGL OZUGFREAK

Enlarged Left Ventricle......Any Docs here?

Here are two (of many) articles available on Medline. They are both similar in that they report ventricular hypertrophy in both aas and non-aas strength athletes, but the aas-linked hypertrophy is greater. This effect persists, even after several years of abstinence from aas.

There is no evidence that cardiac function per se is affected, only that there is increased cardiac muscle mass in aas users.

Hope these help,

Tholdren

Source
Heart (British Cardiac Society). 90(5):496-501, 2004 May.

Abstract
OBJECTIVE: To investigate the reversibility of adverse cardiovascular effects after chronic abuse of anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS) in athletes. METHODS: Doppler echocardiography and cycle ergometry including measurements of blood pressure at rest and during exercise were undertaken in 32 bodybuilders or powerlifters, including 15 athletes who had not been taking AAS for at least 12 months (ex-users) and 17 currently abusing AAS (users), as well as in 15 anabolic-free weightlifters. RESULTS: Systolic blood pressure was higher in users (mean (SD) 140 (10) mm Hg) than in ex-users (130 (5) mm Hg) (p < 0.05) or weightlifters (125 (10) mm Hg; p < 0.001). Left ventricular muscle mass related to fat-free body mass and the ratio of mean left ventricular wall thickness to internal diameter were not significantly higher in users (3.32 (0.48) g/kg and 42.1 (4.4)%) than in ex-users (3.16 (0.53) g/kg and 40.3 (3.8)%), but were lower in weightlifters (2.43 (0.26) g/kg and 36.5 (4.0)%; p < 0.001). Left ventricular wall thickness related to fat-free body mass was also lower in weightlifters, but did not differ between users and ex-users. Left ventricular wall thickness was correlated with a point score estimating AAS abuse in users (r = 0.49, p < 0.05). In all groups, systolic left ventricular function was within the normal range. The maximum late transmitral Doppler flow velocity (Amax) was higher in users (61 (12) cm/s) and ex-users (60 (12) cm/s) than in weightlifters (50 (9) cm/s; p < 0.05 and p = 0.054). CONCLUSIONS: Several years after discontinuation of anabolic steroid abuse, strength athletes still show a slight concentric left ventricular hypertrophy in comparison with AAS-free strength athletes.


This next one demonstrates my point nicely, but they propose a mechanism for the hypertrophy:

Source
Cardiology. 90(2):145-8, 1998 Oct.

Abstract
Reports on the occurrence of left ventricular wall thickening in resistance-trained athletes have rejected the possibility for this physiological adaptation to occur without concomitant anabolic steroid abuse. Others have concluded short bursts of arterial hypertension that occur with maximal weight lifting are not sufficient to induce left ventricular wall thickening, and left ventricular wall thickness >/=13 mm should not be found in pure resistance-trained athletes. Therefore, we examined 4 elite resistance-trained athletes by two-dimensional echocardiography. In addition, we retrospectively examined the individual left ventricular dimensions of 13 bodybuilders from our previous echocardiographic studies. All 4 elite resistance-trained athletes had left ventricular wall thicknesses beyond 13 mm. One of the elite bodybuilders has the largest left ventricular wall thickness (16 mm) ever reported in a power athlete. Retrospectively, 43% of the drug-free bodybuilders and 100% of the steroid users had left ventricular wall thickness beyond the normal range of 11 mm. In addition, 1 drug-free subject and 3 steroid users were beyond the critical mark of 13 mm. No subjects demonstrated diastolic dysfunction. In contrast to previous reports, we have demonstrated that left ventricular wall thicknesses >/=13 mm can be found routinely in elite resistance-trained athletes. The use of anabolic steroids concomitant with intensive resistance exercise does appear to augment left ventricular size without dysfunction. Anabolic steroids may accelerate left ventricular wall thickening indirectly by increasing strength, thus augmenting the pressor response.
 
Hey I had this happen back in March due to GH + juice - i managed to pull thru after a nite of partying which landed me in the ER. Now I just tried to go back on a juice only diet only too feel it comming back on with a fury. My echo showed enlarged left ventricle as well which means leakage heart pumps blood leaks backwards. Im going to cut this cycle short at 2 weeks and go get more images taken and then try to low for 4 or 5 months and get re-imaged.. does anybody know how long it takes for this condition to reverse itself? my stats are 6'2 205 and about 8% bf
 
I bet if you stop taking that dbol, your blood pressure will come down a bit. I was taking dbol for a little while and it was messing with my blood sugar levels something fierce, not to mention the other common side effects.
 
hairlossguru said:
Hey Bros. I just got back from the doctor. She said my chronic high blood pressure has slightly enlarged my left ventricle in my heart. This is crushing news to say the least.

In short.....i guess im done with steroids for awhile. However, she said that if I keep my blood pressure under control, the ventricle will shrink back down to normal size. BTW, my bp has been 140/80 for about 2 months. The last cycle i took was 40mg/day of dbol and 600mg/week of Equipoise. That was the cycle that brought my blood pressure up..........and it just never came down. Its been about two months since the cycle ended.

Does this mean Im done with the juice forever? I hope not. What about sticking to steroids such as low dose test and anavar?

Any thought wouls be much appreciated!

Don't freak out yet. An EKG alone is not a very specific test for LV hypertrophy. You need an echocardiogram with doppler in order to measure the ejection fraction. This is the important thing . It doesn't matter if it's enlarged if the ejection fraction is normal then your function is normal. Fluid retention is a common cause of increased BP and is easy to address or you may need to go on an antihypertensive. How old are you? I wouldn't say that AAS's are out of your future will just need a different approach.
 
mrdavidn said:
Hey I had this happen back in March due to GH + juice - i managed to pull thru after a nite of partying which landed me in the ER. Now I just tried to go back on a juice only diet only too feel it comming back on with a fury. My echo showed enlarged left ventricle as well which means leakage heart pumps blood leaks backwards. Im going to cut this cycle short at 2 weeks and go get more images taken and then try to low for 4 or 5 months and get re-imaged.. does anybody know how long it takes for this condition to reverse itself? my stats are 6'2 205 and about 8% bf

Bro, this night of partying... did it involve coke or other rec drugs? I'm only asking out of curiosity. Coke will shoot your bp right up and it's effects are intensified in steroid users. The addition of GH makes the problem even worse. It's been the cause of death of many wrestlers, (recently Kurt Henning, Brian Pillman and Davey Smith.)

To help your recovery, taking 5g of Actyl L-Carnitine and 2g of ALA per day will aid your cardiac function.


:bat: DMI :bat:
 
brianzganjar said:
Don't freak out yet. An EKG alone is not a very specific test for LV hypertrophy. You need an echocardiogram with doppler in order to measure the ejection fraction. This is the important thing . It doesn't matter if it's enlarged if the ejection fraction is normal then your function is normal. Fluid retention is a common cause of increased BP and is easy to address or you may need to go on an antihypertensive. How old are you? I wouldn't say that AAS's are out of your future will just need a different approach.


An EKG is pretty specific when looking for LVH, just add up V1 and V6, if they're larger than 5-6cm (I think...it's been a while;)) you got some LVH goin on. But everything else you said was right on!:)
 
Turns out the doc misdiagnosed. He didnt know i was into bodybuilding and thought i was an average joe.. The ejection effeciency was about 60% which is good. Problem is the party drugs.. apparently my body doesnt tolerate them anymroe at all.. even the smallest amount cause palpitations
 
Top Bottom