Endurance freak needs help... from bodybiulders

[crider]

I have been reading and reading and I really want to find what I am looking for... set me straight...

I looking for strength and lean mass, I train for an endurance sport (road cycling)

what do u think about below?

W1-6 Dianabol 30 mg/day
W3-8 Winny 25 mg/day
W6-8 Anavar 30 mg/day

W4-7 5000 IU/week HCG

W9 PCT Nolva 40 mg/day
W10 PCT Nolva 20 mg/day
W11 PCT Nolva 20 mg/day

it an all oral from a cite everyone has probably seen...

 

[crider]

If anyone has any cycles I can research for myself mabye that they might think work... send it my way.

 

[fcfmuaythai]

I think you're liver would not like that one so much. You will get people flaming you for that one. Dbol is not going to put ANY lean mass on you. As a cyclist, winstrol will most likely kill your joints. Anavar is good, but not for what you're looking for.

The only oral that I can think of for your purposes MIGHT be tbol. But, I think EQ would be much better suited for your goals. But then you'd have to take your skirt off and actually inject Hope this helps.

 

[MTS]

did you ever try lifting and eating right?

My bets are that you havent...

Try cutting down on the aerobics a bit, eatting 2.0 g protien per pound of body wieght, train with basic exercises (bench, deadlift, squat, military press), Train heavy with low reps (8-10 reps), Train one body part at once pre day (back and bis monday, chest and tris tuesday, skip wednesday, legs thur, shoulders and traps friday, skip saturday, skip sunday),
eat more, get more sleep

if you didnt do even one of thoughs things yet, you didnt reach your potential, I'll guranttee you'll start packing on the pounds so fast that people will think you are doing steroids

 

[Ulter]

You should bag the dbol idea. You're using oral steroids that are used to enhance a cycle not build one out of BTW

 

[crider]

you guys are awsome

If I don't go into my entire history you flame me.

I am in my 5th season at an elite level. and my 2nd pro season of the five.

Hieght 5'9"
66.6 Kg
Annual Avg Hour / week 23.2
Base training Avg Hour 25
Peak race season avg / week 22.1

I am looking at AAs simply to counteract the catabloic effect of loosing Body weight (hopefully fat) and mainting heavy training... we simply can't eat like a bodybiulder. the constant power to weight...

I am looking for people who now more than me about what they do. I would answer your questions and be as helpfull as possible if it had to do with training for 4-6 hour events.

thanks to those that helped.

 

[crider]

also the only reason for no injections was becuase it would be hard to maintain a discreet use of AA's.

b/c of injections every night for 12 weeks.

 

[Ulter]

You can't ask for an informed opinion without supllying all the data necessary to form such an opinion.

You only need one injection every 5 days if that's your problem. Just use the anavar/winny. You're not going to be very impressed with your results though. At least double the anavar.

 

[Silent Method]

Dbol is not going to put ANY lean mass on you.

<COUGH! KAK KAK KAK!>

crider

I don't think that cycle is going to make you completely happy. Have you ever used any of these drugs/done any cycle, or are you looking to cut your teeth? If for no other reason than this being a multi-compound all oral cycle, I'd dump it.

D-bol pumps really can be rediculous and may hamper endurance training. This may be controlled to some extent by adjusting the dose. Great drug, d-bol will build real muscle, and it can give great results alone.

Honestly, I believe that you would experience quite a boost from the cycle you proposed. Hell, imo 6 week of d-bol alone, at half the dose you mentioned, will give you some decent results. (OMG! silent method is sooo full of shit!) No really. Especially if you are an elite leve athlete, your body is primed to take advantage of the drugs. However, you can do better.

If you stick with oral only I'd follow ulter's advice, winny and var, double the var. Sure you won't consider injecting?

 

[OMEGA]

hmm maybe

EQ at 300 a week
Test at 200 a week
Deca at 200 a week

 

[crider]

Ok so thanks for the help guys...

so what I am hearing (reading) is...

Being a first timer I don't need a full stack.
I already am getting lots of rest and good training time in with quality so I can take full advantage of what I take.

I am nervouse about these pumps for two reasons

I don't have anyone to ask if what I am feeling is ok when I am on cycle
And I don't want to be out training unable to push the pedals... But I do know that as a cyclist at least its not as high impact as running...

so mabye a test and winny cycle... oral winny and injectable test susp... becuase it is out of my system fast?

 

[crider]

what do you guys think about test susp and winny oral?

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

fuck all orals...inject buddy....eq for you

 

[sparetire]

i thought we already discussed this one for ya crider Weren't you the one who was asking for which drugs would be best for you due to testing? If you want to have an awesome cardio experience, EQ alone at 500mgs a week should suffice for 1-12 weeks, with no need of hcg and little pct. If you are looking to put on a lot of muscle, go with the test, etc. but just for cardio alone, EQ is great brotha. Your stamina, endurance will go up 100%. You add dbol to the mix and your gonna get some hellish back pumps, and I don't think you want that 20 miles into the game. Plus, since you are a bicyclist, your liver and kidneys are going to be taxed from dehydration, why risk injury to your kids-liv by being on 2 orals at the same time? Trust bro, I'm a small guy and dbol will bloat you like no man's biz. I was only taking 20mgs a day for 5 days and I put on almost 5-8 pounds, and I lost all of it after I stopped.

Plain and simple, the best steroid for cardio = EQ.

 

[crider]

thanks
you think it is ok for eq only? with a short PCT...

i thought we already discussed this one for ya crider Weren't you the one who was asking for which drugs would be best for you due to testing? If you want to have an awesome cardio experience, EQ alone at 500mgs a week should suffice for 1-12 weeks, with no need of hcg and little pct. If you are looking to put on a lot of muscle, go with the test, etc. but just for cardio alone, EQ is great brotha. Your stamina, endurance will go up 100%. You add dbol to the mix and your gonna get some hellish back pumps, and I don't think you want that 20 miles into the game. Plus, since you are a bicyclist, your liver and kidneys are going to be taxed from dehydration, why risk injury to your kids-liv by being on 2 orals at the same time? Trust bro, I'm a small guy and dbol will bloat you like no man's biz. I was only taking 20mgs a day for 5 days and I put on almost 5-8 pounds, and I lost all of it after I stopped.

Plain and simple, the best steroid for cardio = EQ.

 

[Big_Joe]

i thought we already discussed this one for ya crider Weren't you the one who was asking for which drugs would be best for you due to testing? If you want to have an awesome cardio experience, EQ alone at 500mgs a week should suffice for 1-12 weeks, with no need of hcg and little pct. If you are looking to put on a lot of muscle, go with the test, etc. but just for cardio alone, EQ is great brotha. Your stamina, endurance will go up 100%. You add dbol to the mix and your gonna get some hellish back pumps, and I don't think you want that 20 miles into the game. Plus, since you are a bicyclist, your liver and kidneys are going to be taxed from dehydration, why risk injury to your kids-liv by being on 2 orals at the same time? Trust bro, I'm a small guy and dbol will bloat you like no man's biz. I was only taking 20mgs a day for 5 days and I put on almost 5-8 pounds, and I lost all of it after I stopped.

Plain and simple, the best steroid for cardio = EQ.

I agree with the use of EQ only. In my twenties I was an endurance athlete. I would wake up before 5 am and do a 15 mile run every day. In the evenings I would do 100 post squats on each leg, and other body weight exercises, and then help teach a martial arts class. Now I'm in my fifties and lift a lot, as well as do some martial arts. So I have seen both endurance as well as strength aspects of muscular growth. The experence I have had with EQ has been great. EQ helps with endurance a great deal. When I was doing EQ I could lift for hours. I went from two hours in the gym to three and a half to four hours. This is, most likely, from an increase in red blood cells from EQ but I was also running sustanon-250 with it. But EQ has a five month detection time, sustanon has a three month detection time. If you are tested stay away from the nandrolones and expect to have a five to six month time period that you will fail the test after you stop you cycle. Also EQ takes a cycle of three to four months to be affective. So we are talking ten months from your first injection until you might have a hope of passing a drug test. Now if you can drop out of testing, and competing, for a year you might get away with it. And train your ass off in that year of course.

Now if you are going to get your balls cut off and handed to you if you fail a drug test I don't know if it is worth it. You have worked very hard to get where you are. If failing a drug test will take all that away you might want to rethink what you are doing.

 

[bigcountry61]

EQ is great but has a long detection time !! 5 months or so !!

i think a anavar and a low dose of winny/primo would do him alot. goodstrength minamal wieght gain and all lean muscle plus wit a nice lil pct he will keep 90% of gains.

winnyis a lil tough onthe joints but remeber he is a cyclist not a marathon runner it is a little less stressful on his joints. plus at low dosage of winny he should not have a problem. take supps for liver and joints

 

[sparetire]

thanks
you think it is ok for eq only? with a short PCT...

I ran 12 weeks with only nolva for pct. I personally, would say, if you can get hcg, get it and start that 16 days after your last injection and your recovery will be great. Also, if your nutties start shrinking like mine around week 8, you could run light doses of hcg to keep them big , 3 x a week at 1000mcg for 3 weeks and run normal pct.

Here's another suggestion: If you are looking for extra strength, not to much, but lean quality mass, why not run Oral Turinabol? You could run OT 40 mgs a day, 20 in the morning and 20 at night for 6 weeks. It's in an out of your system and you'll get the same muscle gain, about 10-12 pounds, and nice hard muscles - almost like eq? I mean, by no means, it will give you the vascularity like eq, but it's def. a great lean mass steroid with low, LOW sides and very minimal bloat. I ran it in a cycle like this:

weeks 1-5 OT 40mgs a day
weeks 1-12 eq 500 mgs a week
weeks 6-12 masteron 300mgs a week.

Needless to say, I was pretty hard by the end of my cycle. I'm sort of like you in a way crider, I love endurance training, high intensity - whether its riding 30 miles on a bike (real bike that is..) or in the gym stair climbing or my usual and favorite machine, the eliptical trainer. When i am on eq only, or with something else, it's extremely easy to find myself working out on the eliptical trainer for 2 hours!

If you're not being tested for a while, you know atleast a year, then go with eq and even toss in some ot. If you will be tested, then maybe you should go with a short acting steroid like ot. I'm not sure how long primo stays in your system, but primo is another steroid. Although, I never noticed an increase in my cardio, but it does add quality muscle.

 

[JohnnyWest]

I fall you want is to counter act the catabolic effects of training, primo is most likely the AAS for you. I'm pretty sure it'll be undetectable in 4-5 weeks. When i ran it i gained a few pounds of lbm, zero side effects, and cardio increased better then on test for me. I only ran it at 300mg/w, I suggest 500, it's know tobe a good anti catabolic rather then a good anabolic in my experience and works well on a low cal diet which is exatly what you need. That and anavar because anavar is good for strength.

 

[Big_Joe]

I fall you want is to counter act the catabolic effects of training, primo is most likely the AAS for you. I'm pretty sure it'll be undetectable in 4-5 weeks. When i ran it i gained a few pounds of lbm, zero side effects, and cardio increased better then on test for me. I only ran it at 300mg/w, I suggest 500, it's know tobe a good anti catabolic rather then a good anabolic in my experience and works well on a low cal diet which is exatly what you need. That and anavar because anavar is good for strength.

Primo has the same detection time as EQ. But you could include it with EQ.

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

yeah..i like var for a little boost in cardio ass well

 

[jokerswild]

Halo, Tren and cheque drops, you will mow people down on your bicycle, you will have MOFO's wrapped up in your spokes.......

 

[instant.muscle]

EQ is great but has a long detection time !! 5 months or so !!

i think a anavar and a low dose of winny/primo would do him alot. goodstrength minamal wieght gain and all lean muscle plus wit a nice lil pct he will keep 90% of gains.

winnyis a lil tough onthe joints but remeber he is a cyclist not a marathon runner it is a little less stressful on his joints. plus at low dosage of winny he should not have a problem. take supps for liver and joints

5 months my ass, on paper its detectable for 18 months but im guessing its really 13 months, anyway hows ur cycle treating u country? gotta love them anadrols

 

[sparetire]

5 months my ass, on paper its detectable for 18 months but im guessing its really 13 months

i heard it can be detected def. up to 6 months and it can also be detected as long as a year also for eq.

 

[crider]

WOW

Talk about awesome...

I go away and come back and I got some major thinking done for me...

After looking at what everyone has said my two major goals are to first: stop the catabolic effect during weight loss and heavy training...

and two if I can actually increase muscle mass in the trained areas (b/c I am a flat lander, I don't need to worry about a little core and upper body if it comes on through heavy training)

I notice that Winstrol oral has been known to effect joints but increase lean mass, and gains stay well (9 out of 10) also it is only detectable for 5 weeks... so it is going on my list

I have Anavar their too for mostly the same reasons (plus it works well with Winstrol) but I will put it higher on my list for not effecting joints at least in normal doses...

and then their is Oral Turinabol that goes in and out quickly and has been used by runners before…

this coupled with well planed diet and specific training sessions should put together a very good stack…

just remember I am a little guy, I don’t need lots of mass so when I post my stack for review in the coming days it might not need the doses that a 250 lbs might need…

thanks for the pointers

 

[crider]

what are cheque drops?

 

[jumpshot]

he was being sarcastic

 

[crider]

Alright so this is the stack for review:

remember from before the athlete is 145 lbs, main goal is to stop the catabloic effect of heavy long trianing (cyclist). secondary goal is to gain lean muscle mass favorably in the trained muscle... and therefore increase strength and power while staying lean.

I do not think I need any PCT, but tell me if you think otherwise.

This is all oral to circumvent the obvious problems...

Week 1 & 2
4 x 25 mg tabs / day (100 mg) Winstrol (2AM & 2PM) (56)

Week 3 & 4
2 x 25 mg tabs / day (50 mg) Winstrol (2AM) (28)
4 x 10 mg tabs / day (40 mg) Turinabol (2AM & 2PM) (56)

Week 5, 6, 7 & 8
2 x 25 mg tabs / day (50 mg) Winstrol (2AM) (56)
3 x 10 mg tabs / day (30 mg) Turinabol (2AM & 1PM) (84)

Most of this stack will be run durring a 4 day block schedule of training... 3 days on one day off first two days will be double days with the second session intervals, the third day is long with intervals.. the inervals and hours are periodized to increase over 12 weeks.

I thought about the addiction of 35 mg anavar liquid 1 time daily for the last 2 weeks but dropped it becuase this looks good. I don't need 12 lbs honestly 7 or eight would be awsome if in the lower body, If I were still able to loose fat while doing so becuase that is virtually impossible otherwise.

so review away...

 

[solidspine]

what do you guys think about test susp and winny oral?

Take test e instead of sus, and winny is about the only option available
to you under your current circumstances.

Test e- and winny about your best bet for cycling

 

[jronimoe15]

thought you liked Var cauliflower???

fuck all orals...inject buddy....eq for you