Endocrinologists are idiots!!!

[Anakin]

I give up.
First one endocrinologist tells me that I shouldn't worry about having relatively low LH and FSH because they only influence female hormones and they have nothing to do with testosterone.

Today, another one tells me that it makes no difference if your test levels are 300 or 900 because it's all in the "normal range". I know there's a lot of factors involved, but keeping everything else constant, someone with 900 must be bigger and hornier all the time. Fucker didn't even care about free unbound test.

He said the increase from 320 to 430 ng/mL that I experienced by using avena/tribulus/flax had nothing to do with supplements because testosterone just fluctuates. Ok, I know it fluctuates, but not by 40%!!! Especially since I got both tests done under rested and overall similar conditions, and besides, the very first test was 292 (so it fluctuates between 292 and 320, but not all the way to 430!!!).

What about my elevated prolactin? He actually said: "You know, you see a needle, and prolactin just goes up, that's how it works sometimes".

Excuse me for my rant, but I'm fucking sick of these endocrinologists. Seems like all they know is how to treat: MENOPAUSE and HYPOTHYROIDISM. There's some kind of sexual discrimination going on here.

I'll just live with it, because I don't need HRT yet (that's for sure). All I wanted was to see if I could be "healthier".

 

[Zyglamail]

Docs are like any other profession, there are good bad and indifferent ones, just keep looking until you find one you see eye to eye with.

 

[jimwill911]

I'd recommend using a Urologist. They are not very well informed about test levels so, if you do your homework, you can manipulate them into getting you started on HRT.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Doctors aren't trained in health, they're trained in disease. So as long as you don't have a clinical problem, there is none as far as they're concerned.

And yes, male HRT isn't even on their list --especially the older ones. But some of the younger guys are more hip to it.

 

[majutsu]

Docs are like any other profession, there are good bad and indifferent ones, just keep looking until you find one you see eye to eye with.

Yep. There are those who know, look around. Endrocrinologists are unlikely to know much though as their fellowship focuses on Diabetes, Thyroid, and the Female Cycle. Sports medicine guys know more

 

[Zyglamail]

Yep. There are those who know, look around. Endrocrinologists are unlikely to know much though as their fellowship focuses on Diabetes, Thyroid, and the Female Cycle. Sports medicine guys know more

As a general rule of thumb I agree but in all fields there are those that think outside the box, its just a matter of finding one.

 

[Silent Method]

Docs are like any other profession, there are good bad and indifferent ones, just keep looking until you find one you see eye to eye with.

 

[boardlizard]

Doctors aren't trained in health, they're trained in disease. So as long as you don't have a clinical problem, there is none as far as they're concerned.

And yes, male HRT isn't even on their list --especially the older ones. But some of the younger guys are more hip to it.

Your right on Nelson. Helping healthy people wanting to stay healthy are not what they're "supose" to be about. scuse me for repeating what is already understood, but the med profession is about taking care of the sick and the more sick people there are....well, thats just more biz that comes walking or wheeling through the door.

However, I do have a cool doc (who, BTW, is one of the younger ones) and he sets me up with IGF-1 blood tests everytime I ask. He doesn't really know much about HRT and even set me up with an Endo, but the Endo was a pretty much an arrogant jerk that didn't want deal with someone who wanted to get his free test up or GH levels to their optimum etc. etc. So I am pretty much on my own. Just got to get up the nerve to ask my doc to write me a script for the GH so I can be completely legit.

 

[geoffgarst]

That is certainly true...there are good docs and bad ones. You would be surprised as to how many I have work with that just do not have a clue as to what is going on in medicine.

 

[Sigmund Roid]

I have seen various specialist of different disciplines about my very low test levels (<50) among which an andrologist. I have never heard so much bullshit in my life. Example: "Yes, you have the test level of a female ant, but I think it is psychological".

I showed them the finger, and gave myself HRT (and a bit above that LOL), and feel like 1.1*10^6 bucks.

 

[DrJMW]

We've had this discussion before. Fortunately, there are a few docs on the Boards with BB'ing, power lifting, and olympic lifting experience. Use your PCP for disease issues and use the Board docs for performance enhancement issues. It will be a long time before PCP docs are trained for prevention and optimal health.

 

[ArizonaFeeds]

YOU are 100% correct. they cannot even

unfuck my wife's hypothyroid condition. You must go in there with your own good info and valid references to justify what you feel you need. And have a doc willing to think outside the box. Then find another doc. Oh BTW I feel I should be honored for my success, hahahaha look at this pic. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!

 

[guards]

Doctors aren't trained in health, they're trained in disease. So as long as you don't have a clinical problem, there is none as far as they're concerned.
it.

I can't believe that you just wrote that.....are you for real?

A doctor is a HEALTH professional. A GP's entire existence centers around health. The whole profession centers around health.

Disease is a only a minute part of a physician's interest and specialty.

 

[Anakin]

I'm glad a lot of people agree with me on this, I just felt like I needed to rant because it's ridiculous.

You guys hit the spot: they're trained in disease, not health.

No big deal anyway because I feel fine. Still, I want to find out if there's a medical condition that's affecting my low LH and FSH, cause apparently I don't have a prolactinoma.

Thanks to doc Nelson for discovering avena for the elite community. Now I'm starting to try out SAM-e, I think Nelson said it lowers prolactin... Let's see what my next bloodwork shows.

 

[guards]

I'm glad a lot of people agree with me on this, I just felt like I needed to rant because it's ridiculous.

You guys hit the spot: they're trained in disease, not health.

No big deal anyway because I feel fine. Still, I want to find out if there's a medical condition that's affecting my low LH and FSH, cause apparently I don't have a prolactinoma.

Thanks to doc Nelson for discovering avena for the elite community. Now I'm starting to try out SAM-e, I think Nelson said it lowers prolactin... Let's see what my next bloodwork shows.

 

[Generic MALE]

Doctors aren't trained in health, they're trained in disease. So as long as you don't have a clinical problem, there is none as far as they're concerned.

And yes, male HRT isn't even on their list --especially the older ones. But some of the younger guys are more hip to it.

As a 3rd year med student I would have to agree with this. They are the firemen of health care - they put out fires. This is a generalization and I know some MD's, some Nurse practitioners etc that have strong abilities in regards to health as opposed to only knowing about sickness - but by and large they are good at putting out sickness fires when there is an emergency.

A male with libido problems (as opposed to simply fluid mechanic erectile problems), with girly titties, who has all the zest of a recently spade cat is not seen as a medical emergency.

But no doubt, if your wife has pregnancy induced hypertension and might die, or you just crushed your pelvis by trying to jump across the train tracks while drunk in front of a moving train, you have a bleeding aneurysm, you just got shot in the neck, have glomerulonephritis etc - they (we?) are the best people to know.

But if you look you will find MD's that are of great help with health regardless of your concern : cardiac health, anti-aging, mental health, etc - but you really do have to do some homework or get lucky.

 

[juicin'since17]

hey, i have a dr thats real cool about that exact shit. only thing is im 2 hours north of you. he wont do anything illegal, but as long as your blood proves you need it , your gonna get it. if you want to give him a call pm me and ill give you the number. if its too far the only advice i could give you is stick with the dotheads, they are alot looser with the scriptpad

 

[guards]

As a 3rd year med student I would have to agree with this. They are the firemen of health care - they put out fires. This is a generalization and I know some MD's, some Nurse practitioners etc that have strong abilities in regards to health as opposed to only knowing about sickness - but by and large they are good at putting out sickness fires when there is an emergency.

A male with libido problems (as opposed to simply fluid mechanic erectile problems), with girly titties, who has all the zest of a recently spade cat is not seen as a medical emergency.

But no doubt, if your wife has pregnancy induced hypertension and might die, or you just crushed your pelvis by trying to jump across the train tracks while drunk in front of a moving train, you have a bleeding aneurysm, you just got shot in the neck, have glomerulonephritis etc - they (we?) are the best people to know.

But if you look you will find MD's that are of great help with health regardless of your concern : cardiac health, anti-aging, mental health, etc - but you really do have to do some homework or get lucky.

The problem with making a statement such as this is that there are people on this board who will take its connotations a little too literaly. That is to say, they now view doctor's opinions and experience as not valid because they did not recieve the answer they were looking for.

I find it very distressing how many people on these boards welcome the advice of someone who has NO accreditation or liscence yet take the word of some amateur health guru as gospel.

Please people, be critical of the information you are given.

Doctor's do, in fact, have more knowledge concerning human anatomy, physiology, and pharmacology , than the VAST majority of members on ANY of these boards.