Endocrinologist..Today...!!!!

[Big O]

Well after years of cycling..over 20 and I'm almost 48...

A list of problems,gall bladder removed recently,no natural test production..4.7 on the free test,diabetes in the begining stages or possibly worse,severe joint pain,lack of drive...glaucoma ...to name a FEW

Im 3 weeks off cycle so my test levels are dropping as we speak....

And yes Im going to tell him everything i did recently and from the past...I know I need HRT...but Im stuborn...its injectable from him or i'll get my own shit...I aint doing the patch...I think its fucking ridiculous and rubbing gel every day is not me..

I'll post later on the advice from the Endo man..if anyone is interested

 

[silverbackn]

I would be interested in hearing his take on it, keep us posted bro. This is something we should all be paying attention to.

 

[SwolK]

hope all goes well.
keep us updated

 

[solidspine]

Doesn’t sound like there is any thing wrong with you, which is good, you just have the mileage of a normal 48 year old,

When it comes to your Endocrinologist, he should take notes from you on HRT, gear, and how to use prescribe gear.

I will bet you a cycle, he doesn’t know half as much as you about gear and growth, and the real world would but his undies in a bundle.

Any way, I rant, hope all goes well,

And yes I am interested in what he has to say to you.

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Quadsweep]

I am curious, does your families medical history have many of these issues?

Quad

 

[Big O]

Well it didn't go well at the Dr.'s office at all....I wore loose clothing too..to The scale 246 at 5'9" probably somewhere low teens in BF...

He came in and kept sizing me up...He knew..He said whats the problem I said proably diabetic and like my referral said...hypogonadism diagnosed from my primary care Dr..

I told him ive cycled for a long time as if he couldn't already see...and basically he compared me too a coke head and an alchoholic...no shit..

He looked me straight in the eyes and said I was very dangerous man and that he was afraid of me....He wont treat my hypogonadism for fear that I would boost when he would treat me....

He asked me If i saw anything wrong with using illicit drugs....I said no....He said I was an addict...I was like a junkie always looking for another fix...seriously...

then he used the alchoholic who would only have 1 drink a day sooner or later he would be drinking like he usaully does...Its illegal and its a class 4 substance and its a felony and it causes prostate cancer and this cancer.....I stopped him dead in his tracks and said rather loudly....that those people were already pre-disposed for cancer and it would have started sooner or later without the steroids....he said yea your right...

So he wants me to clean out for 1 year....I told him that my body is low in test and even though he had blood work with the free test level at 4.2 he wouldnt do anything for me....I told him you want me to go a year in pain, no sex drive,mood swings and all the other shit related to extremely low test.....I told him Id see someone else for that just treat the diabetes....

Thank You Dr Hein...He said he wouldn't jepordize his license for anyone....

 

[KD1]

That sucks man. Have you ever tried a really rigourous PCT to try and get your test back? Some people here have posted a super aggressive PCT that has helped out a bunch of people. If I was plat I would search and find it for you.

 

[bilter]

I don't see how treating you would jeprodize his liscense. You have the data (as does he) to back up your condition. He sounds like a jusgemental fuck anyway...........you can do far better finding another Dr.

 

[Quadsweep]

If the case were that he felt the AAS would further intensify your diabetes or other ailments then I can see him not wanting to treat your hypo-gonadism. But being that it left untreated could also cause other ailments or distress is assinine. Was he older. Find a younger doc...they seem to be more open minded.

Quad

 

[Big O]

Hey Bro...Im 48 and have been cycling for20 + years...according to my primary care Dr.. he said that Ive just burnt everything out....and its not the pct being the answer...I believe it to be more HRT...
Im 3 weeks off now and probably will do 250 today if not 500....its the joints and sex drive that needs to be addressed.....Ive tried everything except afluetops and alin is the only one io know has them

 

[silverbackn]

I would think him not having your best interest in mind would be putting his license in jeopardy. What an ass. I went to my gastroenterologist yesterday because I have ulcerative colitis and it's been bad of late. He knows that I compete and he asked my if I had used any "medicines" and I responded with "test". He said, "what is that?". I said, "testosterone". He then asked me if it was legal or not. He's a fucking doctor and has absolutely no idea what is going on!

 

[Big O]

I was really upset yesterday...Id say he's mid to late 40's...

he also said that hgh is the same as steroids were in the 80's...the idiot dr.'s prescribed them and then they found out that the medical community didnt aprove there use.....and now the fight is on to make hgh an illicit drug also...

Thats the mentality of this Dr...and now my wife thinks that im wrong in thinking the way i do because im not a medical dr.. so i dont know shit....

I also told him my pct and all he did was just shake his head...I honestly dont think he had a clue...

Im thinking that because of my size he just didnt want me coming to his office for the sake of people thinking that he juiced me....Thats the only thing that makes sense to me...Im shaking my head on this one guys....It must be my appearance.....I dont consider myself big but my wife sure as hell disagree's with that statement...

What am i supposed to do...Get off ,stop training ,loose all my size..shrivel down to below 200 and then go see a dr for gear that i can get form the 20 or so sources that i know....and i can even get the transdermal patches in not only test but deca,eq and a few others....can i say endocrine supply here

 

[SwolK]

sorry to hear about that. Find a new doc

 

[Big O]

I know...I'm just an illicit drug user...he also refers it like this....

...."thats means you'll revert to the needle again"...like a heroin addict would ..

I went to him for help and now i dont know what to think...I'm thinbking there all the same...shit back in the 80's I'd walk out of my Dr.'s office with upteen scripps and 5 refill's on everything....

Fuck ...now I cant even get a patch....LOL...a fucking patch...now thats pretty funny when you sit down and think about....

I sent an e-mail to South Beach I remember Oasis getting busted some time back if I remember right...

 

[Big O]

He guys I really and truly appreciate the support here...hopefully none of you guys get your self in that situation....

Perhaps Ive been doing this for too long...Im second guessing myself...The junkie comment really bothered me....are we really just junkie's..? and were all in denial..LOL

Gotta go get my blood work for 9...Im hungry and had no coffee this morning...

Looking forward to reading some more posts...
Peace and Be Safe..!!

Oscar

 

[njmuscleguy]

Hey bud, I feel your pain.... I've seen countless doctors for numerous problems, I'd safely say that better than 50% of them have been worthless and clueless... and not just regarding AAS... and before any MD's out there retaliate, there are a few good doctors...very good even... I've just yet to find most of them...

Anyhow, l wonder if it's better that you don't even mention your AAS use to the next endo you see? Just give him your medical history, your ailments, explain that your test levels are shot... your size is probably working against you though, so they may not believe you... and if a doctor does decide to put you on HRT, you'll have to get bloodwork regularly and they will likely have you sign something stating that if at any time your levels are found to be "above normal", they'll stop treating you

Maybe an anti-aging clinic is what you need - they're alot less likely to crucify you as most endo's / doctors would.

Good luck, let us know how it goes!

 

[dougmug]

Hey Bro,
I don't think your going to have much luck with Docs. Personally I would start running test at 250/week and small doses of deca to help joint issues. Good luck!
D

 

[MR. BMJ]

Can that bitch and find another MD. They work for you, not the other way around. You don't want to be under his "professional" care any way if he is that retarded to begin with. You'll be pulling nails every time you go back to him. That year off will be hell on you at your age. He obviosly doesn't know very much to begin with in this field or he would have worked with you and found a way to make things better for you....he didn't do that with his bias talk.

BMJ

 

[thebrakes]

i dont blame the doc one bit, but i do acknowledge that yours is a difficult situation. why do you want a script all of a sudden? worried about the law?

it's tricky - diabetics often are themselves the cause of the disease, due to poor diet, skin cancer sufferers got way too much sun, etc etc. why should juicing be different, that even though you have abused a substance or lifestyle you shouldnt be entitled to relief from the effects? the truth is that juicing is illegal and eating twinkies and laying out arent, but all are seriously detrimental to your health.

 

[muscleup]

First off make no mistake about it....If you give your body time it will recovery. 9 times out of 10 it does not matter how long you have been on. The problem most peoplem have is that do not want to go through the "rough" period, so then they go with HRT{I don't blame them}


Your doctor is a prick, and I bet he knows jack shit about cycling and recovery.....Try to find an open minded doc and discuss your options with him.

Comparing Steroids, and Herion is an absolute fucking joke, and that comment alone tells me how much your "Doc" actually knows.

 

[silverbackn]

NJmuscle is right, you need to hit up an anti-aging clinic or a good endocrinologist.

 

[Triple J]

I am not sure what you are wanting from the doc, a rx for T? just do it yourself. However u might want to find a doc to help with your other issues. How's the blood pressure? I agree its time for a transition to a different style of cycling and training, more health-oriented vs. trying to be big. That means lower dosages, different training style (lower weights), and eating cleaner. And probably dropping some weight while keeping body fat down around 10 or so. That combination will help with the early stage DM type 2.

 

[Big O]

Triple you do make sense brutha....you really do..I know you guys dont know me...but I always tend to do everything in excess including the gym...

Ive also been thru 3 surgeries this year....left knee 3 seperate tears a scraping...they have no idea why my knee is still doing this well......vasectomy...and my gall bladder was removed.....now the diabetes issue ....well this is the first fasting blood work Ive done for this.....my primary care Dr...never sent me for a fasting blood works....

I know neither of them are at the top of the game as far as Dr.'s....

 

[Big O]

Thats why i posted this....i wanted to see everyone's and I do mean EVERYONE'S opinion...within reason....

And ive picked up something from every response....Thanks Brutha's....

I will certainly get a hold of todays blood work...I have to get it from the Dr.s office...more nonsense....

Is there a way for me to post this...or do i have to be a plat..member...I do miss the private shit...I have to tell ya....the problem is sometimes i spend toooooo much time on the puter...

 

[Triple J]

one other thing regarding the vasectomy it has been reported (and this has been discussed here on EF) to lower T levels, why I don't know, but it has been reported that this happens

 

[Guvna]

Well it didn't go well at the Dr.'s office at all....I wore loose clothing too..to The scale 246 at 5'9" probably somewhere low teens in BF...

He came in and kept sizing me up...He knew..He said whats the problem I said proably diabetic and like my referral said...hypogonadism diagnosed from my primary care Dr..

I told him ive cycled for a long time as if he couldn't already see...and basically he compared me too a coke head and an alchoholic...no shit..

He looked me straight in the eyes and said I was very dangerous man and that he was afraid of me....He wont treat my hypogonadism for fear that I would boost when he would treat me....

He asked me If i saw anything wrong with using illicit drugs....I said no....He said I was an addict...I was like a junkie always looking for another fix...seriously...

then he used the alchoholic who would only have 1 drink a day sooner or later he would be drinking like he usaully does...Its illegal and its a class 4 substance and its a felony and it causes prostate cancer and this cancer.....I stopped him dead in his tracks and said rather loudly....that those people were already pre-disposed for cancer and it would have started sooner or later without the steroids....he said yea your right...

So he wants me to clean out for 1 year....I told him that my body is low in test and even though he had blood work with the free test level at 4.2 he wouldnt do anything for me....I told him you want me to go a year in pain, no sex drive,mood swings and all the other shit related to extremely low test.....I told him Id see someone else for that just treat the diabetes....

Thank You Dr Hein...He said he wouldn't jepordize his license for anyone....

I would think hard about suing this fool for the "mental and physical anguish" he has caused you. He is supposed to be a fucking professional.

 

[c gheller]

Asswipes like him that treat any AAS using Brotha like a junkie only focus on the use of a drug. They forget about the whole picture (training, nutrition, supplemetation). I would bet that the biggest percentage of responsible AAS users i know would be far more healthy than the average male. Sorry to hear this Bro. Go at it your way!

 

[GymIntensity]

Asswipes like him that treat any AAS using Brotha like a junkie only focus on the use of a drug. They forget about the whole picture (training, nutrition, supplemetation). I would bet that the biggest percentage of responsible AAS users i know would be far more healthy than the average male. Sorry to hear this Bro. Go at it your way!

so is the doc saying AAS caused you to get diabetes?

just curious as i've never heard this, but my grandfather has type 2.

 

[Big O]

Not to change the subject...but I wonder if Arnold is on HRT or some of the older bigger guys.....The ones that are alive...LOL

 

[Triple J]

Asswipes like him that treat any AAS using Brotha like a junkie only focus on the use of a drug. They forget about the whole picture (training, nutrition, supplemetation). I would bet that the biggest percentage of responsible AAS users i know would be far more healthy than the average male.

yes and maintaining activity and the health of the neuromuscular / skeletal system is the most important aspect of successful aging (keeping in mind you do not want to sacrifice your other systems in the process)

 

[Big O]

Im going to wait till i see my blood work from friday before i do anything...

Someone said that a vasectomy will lower the natural test also...can someone post that thread...Id love to read it...

As far as the diabetes being caused by gear I doubt thats true...IO believe mine is genetic...mother died from it...

 

[c gheller]

yes and maintaining activity and the health of the neuromuscular / skeletal system is the most important aspect of successful aging (keeping in mind you do not want to sacrifice your other systems in the process)

I believe this is right on the money. Why not get the benefits from HRT, do it right, be informed and there a multitude of info on the topic on this board, more than any one Doc will know im sure.

 

[FaCkEnBaSsTaRd]

Check out this site. You should be able to find a Doc here in your area that has some knowledge.

http://www.tuneupyourt.com/find_a_doctor.html

The National Testosterone Tune-Up was created by the Men's Health Network (MHN) to help jumpstart men's health maintenance. This summer, thousands of physicians will speak with men about low sex drive, erectile dysfunction, fatigue, depression, reduced muscle mass and strength, increased body fat and decreased bone mineral density - all signs of low T. The doctor-patient discussion may point to other illnesses or lifestyle issues. You may even learn your low testosterone levels are related to other conditions, such as obesity or diabetes.

 

[Big O]

Thank You Brutha...I just printed the lists out for my 2 states...and I'm going to go that route....

I also just got a list for a source who sells alot of patches...even patches with tren..no kidding..Id post it but open board posting i wont do...