Effects on running

[Ozzie1971]

Hi I am currently using test cyp. At 400mg a week and eq at 400 mg a week. I am a avid runner and tried this to build endurance and build back some of the muscle and strength running eats off of me. The strength and muscle part is going great but it has killed my running my legs get pumped and feel heavy and it has slowed my pace terrible. I am on my 4 th week and wondering if this should change at all.

 

[stevesmi]

nope expect to lose time off your runs. especially if you are a longer distance runner.

ur max HR is gonna drop about 10-15 digits on juice. also the pumps are impossible to stop if you run cause there will be a tremendous amount of blood flow to your leg muscles which is made worse by juicing.

i have told runners many times that juicing and running doesn't mix on here. i know cause i used to be a competitive runner

pick your poison.. do you want to focus on bodybuilding or running? cannot be successful at both. you can be good at both i suppose, but not great.

bodybulders have differnet bodies than endurance runners for a reason.

 

[Ozzie1971]

Thanks I can see that now but most of the stuff I had read claimed that aas built endurance but it killed mine.

 

[Judo Tom]

it will only get worse.

sorry but its true

id cut both dosages in half and see if that helps.. but it will still take a few weeks to see improvements

for now start mega dosing taurine and go low carb before the run.. still gonna suck but might help a bit

 

[stevesmi]

where did u read that myth that juice improves endurance???!!! it certainly wasn't this board!

there are some guys who say they improved their endurance on juice, those are the guys who likely never ran before .. yeah if you never ran before and you juice and start running you will improve your endurance.. but guys who run a lot and run say a 6 minute mile which is very solid will see their times get crippled on juice.

i was running 45 miles a week.. sub 5 minute miles. 17 minute 5K's.. i took dbol and at half a mile my calf muscles felt like they were gonna explode. so i have no idea how you can improve your running when your calf turns into sand bags.

as a runner you should understand how max heart rate works and how that dictates your top line speed, now with juice your RBC count goes sky high. so you are pumping more blood in less time. hence your max heart rate will go down, which will cause your top line speed to go down. make sense?

 

[Ozzie1971]

Yes now it does and I have dropped almost 2 min a mile off my pace and I havnt been able to get my heart rate over 170 because my leg pumps cause me to slow my pace. Before aas I could get my hr to hit 190

 

[Ozzie1971]

I will cut my dosage in half and hope to be able to maintain some speed. I can still run as much as I want now I just can't carry the fast pace I usually do.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ where did u hear it does ? i am just curious.

EPO could help but it comes with a ton of sides and isn't talked about on steroid sites cause its not a bodybuilding AAS. also training at high altitudes or spending the night in a chamber would be the best ways to get an edge. i've always had the most success getting in a lot of mileage ahead of my road races and getting a lot of sleep.. if i didn't i would struggle on race day

 

[Ozzie1971]

I found it just doing searches on the effects of steroids and eq was one of the ones that was supposed to be best for endurance.

 

[Ozzie1971]

I find that i even have less endurance lifting because of the muscle pumps but at the same time my max lifts are going up and I am putting on lean muscle.

 

[oxymoron]

I usually focus on hills and speedwork when on cycle. Much easier and tolerable to do intervals than distance.

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[Ozzie1971]

Yeah I have found that to. What don't make sense is professional endurance athletes do blood doping to raise their rbc count and thats what aas do and it kills endurance.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ you need to do more research my friend on why that is.

think about it this way. one of those ways is fooling the body into thinking it has more RBC creating a gap. the other way is actually increase RBC. there is a difference between the two.

when you increase work on the body to pump blood it is bad for endurance. it makes perfect sense.

 

[joeblow12345]

Hi I am currently using test cyp. At 400mg a week and eq at 400 mg a week. I am a avid runner and tried this to build endurance and build back some of the muscle and strength running eats off of me. The strength and muscle part is going great but it has killed my running my legs get pumped and feel heavy and it has slowed my pace terrible. I am on my 4 th week and wondering if this should change at all.

Running and aas dont mix well.

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[Iron Warrior707]

I dunno much about running, what i know is Red blood cell count increases endurance, thats why alot of sprinters juice, they dont use alot of compounds or high dose like weight lifters but they def use some to get extra advantage..

 

[Zyglamail]

Thanks I can see that now but most of the stuff I had read claimed that aas built endurance but it killed mine.

Not sure where you read that.

The truth is, and I have said this many times before, AAS CAN increase endurance BUT its a very fine line and just how much to take for best endurance gains varies from person to person. You have to start low, test and retest, both via lab work and endurance tests to find your own personal sweet spot. It takes a lot of time, money and patience which most folks dont have unless your an elite athlete and every little bit counts.

 

[gatemoney]

Hi I am currently using test cyp. At 400mg a week and eq at 400 mg a week. I am a avid runner and tried this to build endurance and build back some of the muscle and strength running eats off of me. The strength and muscle part is going great but it has killed my running my legs get pumped and feel heavy and it has slowed my pace terrible. I am on my 4 th week and wondering if this should change at all.

Weird
I ran my ass off on that same exact cycle and had excellent results. Got Vascular and shredded. I did notice a lil hit to my endurance but not enough to stop me.
Are you drinking enough water?
If you can run for 10 minutes without having to stop and piss its not enough.
Trust me it does help,

 

[training700]

I dunno much about running, what i know is Red blood cell count increases endurance, thats why alot of sprinters juice, they dont use alot of compounds or high dose like weight lifters but they def use some to get extra advantage..

Huh? they don't need endurance.. did it for explosivness and recovery from workouts.

Only way low dose will help distance running is recovery. HGH be good for distance as well for the recovery aspect.

 

[Zyglamail]

I dunno much about running, what i know is Red blood cell count increases endurance, thats why alot of sprinters juice, they dont use alot of compounds or high dose like weight lifters but they def use some to get extra advantage..

and an elevated RBC causes the blood to thicken and the heart to work harder to pump the blood which in turn causes an enlarged heart. As ive stated, endurance gains can be had but its a very narrow window you need to find and stay in for the best benefit.

 

[oxymoron]

Wasn't germany in trouble back in the 70s for doping their summer olympics team with tbol to increase performance. I havent done any research but something to look into. Im of course assuming their track athletes were on it.

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[stevesmi]

sprinting is not the same as endurance running.

there is a lack of understanding on this subject on these boards and people should NOT post unless they understand what they are talking about.. thats how people like the OP cripple their times. being given incorrect information on this subject

sprinters do not look like endurance runners PERIOD. they don't train the same, they don't look the same, they don't eat the same.

there are TWO ways and TWO ways only for endurance athletes to increase their time using tricks.. training at high elevation leading up to their race, and sleeping in a chamber.. THATS IT> and they need to train their asses off and put in a ton of miles. when i was an endurance runner i would run 45 miles per week leading up to my half marathons. thats how you improve.

its impossible to run when you have pumps.. cannot happen, will not happen. not even up for a debate

 

[Judo Tom]

also yes pro/olympic athletes juice but it is not the same way bodybuilders juice. not even close. unless you have someone to guide you most likely it will only hurt you in the long run.

also now with new 'chems' out there things are changing rapidly and you can go off of what was posted online from years/decades ago.

 

[training700]

Yeah you need to ignore basically all dosing and other stuff on bodybuilding sites.. they DON'T even do what would consider cardio
They talk about pumps on only some things I ran test prop 75mg eod and thought was gonna die... back and calf pumps. im not a distance runner but college level wrestling and mma. So usually stretch after warm ups and eventually kinda work itself out but when go for 3-6 mile runs were horrible.