Eating to grow without getting fat

[Hid-He-Us]

I need some input for I am confused. I get the fact that in order to grow while on AS and working out you have to EAT, but what I do not understand is ; lets say one needs to ingest at least 3000 calories to obtain optimum mass gains. How can you eat 3000+ CAL and keep it clean,or are you supposed to? I guess what I am saying is it seems to be a whole lot easier to get high calories from certain meals than others ie. A Whopper vs. A Skinless chicken breast.

 

[Silent Method]

What you're seeing is how easy it is to hit a high calorie mark using fat.

A fat gram has about ten calories, while a gram of protein or carbohydrate has only 4 calories.

Don't be a fool and use an excess of fat to hit your calorie mark.


If you plan your meals and eat 6 or more meals a day, it's easy to consume over 5,000 calories if need be.

 

[Hid-He-Us]

Can I include any or a certain amout of carbs per day without worrying too much about fat?

 

[Silent Method]

On cycle, eat at least 2 - 2.4 grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight. Set fat between 25-30% of calories (and try to make that as much healthy fat as you can). Fill the rest with low GI carbs.

 

[muscleup]

On cycle, eat at least 2 - 2.4 grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight. Set fat between 25-30% of calories (and try to make that as much healthy fat as you can). Fill the rest with low GI carbs.

excellent advice...The only time you really need simple carbs{sugar} is after training...Then I would prefer to chug down about 80 grams of dextrose along with 50 grams of WI

 

[Silent Method]

excellent advice...The only time you really need simple carbs{sugar} is after training...Then I would prefer to chug down about 80 grams of dextrose along with 50 grams of WI

Good point. I prefer about 100 grams of high GI carb (maltodextrin) with 25-30 grams of whey for my post-exercise recovery.

 

[Willyumyum]

It helps, also, to keep fat heavy meals and carb heavy meals separate...
carbs + protein = fine
fat +protein = fine
fat + carbs = headed for fat gain

YUM

 

[Silent Method]

It helps, also, to keep fat heavy meals and carb heavy meals separate...
carbs + protein = fine
fat +protein = fine
fat + carbs = headed for fat gain

YUM

Assuming the respective macro nutrient levels are kept at the prescribed ratio, I don't agree.

 

[satchboogie]

eat a lot of healthy food.
no need to eat ice cream and whoppers.

also, if you're tryina bulk and want to maximize growth, dont worry about the extra 1000 cals. its part of the bulking routine.

 

[houseofpain]

Using the 2.4g per pound of bodyweight formula above, a person weighing 185 lbs would need to consume 444 grams of protein per day. That means even if you eat 6 meals a day, you're still trying to eat 74 grams per meal.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the old school rule of thumb was that the average person can't metabolize more than 30-35 grams of protein in a given meal. That's why people pushing those higher limits of that rule 40-45 grams were taking extra biotin and pepsin so that they could boost their stomach enzyme content to "try" to digest more per meal. (Don't know if it actually helped or not)

Based on this metabolization premise, those extra 40 or so grams of protein are going to either pass through you and be excreted or stored as fat. Neither of which are productive to the goal of gaining mass.

So wouldn't 1-1.5 grams per pound of body weight a more realistic target? Or has someone else come up with a new study as to how much protein the body can metabolize per meal, per day, etc...?

 

[Texas Ranger]

House Of Pain, Silent Method said 2-2.4 grams per KILOGRAM of bodyweight not POUNDS per bodyweight. That's a big difference!

 

[dballistic]

Using the 2.4g per pound of bodyweight formula above

he said per kilogram, not pound.