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Easiest on the HPTA
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orals r safer comparatively regarding HPTA, oxandrolone, winnny, oxymetholone r all safe if used is small quantity, dianabol is also very safe if used with any anti-aromatase. worst r deca and tren.
BTW u have 1100+ posts and Pro BB u say u r, why r u asking these basics!
barpk
BTW u have 1100+ posts and Pro BB u say u r, why r u asking these basics!
barpk
bazilbb said:
lol, the pro BB title is given based on post count, it is not indicative of what his profession is, otherwise we would have freaks, mutants, and mad scientists here....or maybe we do....
Victor Brazil
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"or maybe we do"
LOL
Victor
LOL
Victor
lawnsaver
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bazilbb said:
Wow, its funny how someone can be so wrong!! D-bol, anadrol, and winny are the some of the most suppressive drugs out there. Oxymetholone....Safe?? It is one of the harshest out there. It is pretty tough to take in small doses, since they come in 50mg tabs.
The only thing right is that tren and nandralone are the hardest on the hpta.
CanadianBro
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bazilbb said:
Wow, this is one of the most misguides and misinformed posts in a while.
Good call LAWNSAVER
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Frackal
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LOL lawnsaver I was thinking the same thing...the grammar is overwhelming as well
What about running a say.....5 week cycle with fast acting drugs...? I can put a lot on in 5 weeks (i usually dont put on much at all afterwards anyway) using a fast acting inj and adrol. Doesnt shortening the cycle decrease HPTA suppression?
I remember the idea of very short cycles being thrown aroung in great detail awhile back (Bchemist).....
I remember the idea of very short cycles being thrown aroung in great detail awhile back (Bchemist).....
lawnsaver
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Not a good idea!! Dont go that route! Longer moderate cycles are the way to put on permenent muscle. The faster you gain, to more your body will want to reject it. And it seems to me you dont even know your body yet. You need to know how each drug effects you before you can even think about knowing how long to stay on something. 5 weeks of anadrol will have you completely shut down.
gearedup50
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For the best gains GH/Slin is the best combo yuo can gain as much as on a cycle of steroids and keep your hpta function!
Ok, short cycles are a nono..
I just remember it being toyed with awhile ago.......
I thought it might be a good idea cuz i seem to gain the most weight in the first 6 weeks, not much from then on, even though i continue using test until week 10. Just trying to figure what route will be most effective for me cuz we all react differently to it...
I just remember it being toyed with awhile ago.......
I thought it might be a good idea cuz i seem to gain the most weight in the first 6 weeks, not much from then on, even though i continue using test until week 10. Just trying to figure what route will be most effective for me cuz we all react differently to it...
lawnsaver
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bazilbb said:
Ok, please prove me wrong!! Here are the questions I want answered
1: How is Anadrol, even at low doses safe and easy on your HPTA?
2: The same question linked to d-bol. And please dont tell me a 10mg am dose wont effect HPTA...Thats BS!
3: Please tell me how winny doesnt effect the HPTA?
And I know what the hell I am talking about!! I dont need any followers for me to know that.
Triple J
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OK I need to toss in my two cents here. I am echoing similiar thoughts stated by Realgains and some others, if you want to look at the other threads.
Whats easiest on the HPTA? Short acting compounds taken for short duration. Orals are all short acting compunds. Avoid nandrolone or slow acting esters taken for months on end.
Can gains be made and retained? Yes. 2-4 weeks on with 2-3 weeks off. Cycles are repeated more frequently. HPTA stays reasonably active. Smaller gains per cycle are assimiliated and retained easier and the body grows more gradually over the long term. Note I have the time on / off somewhat variable. You'll just have to see what you can get away with, bro. I would suggest two weeks full dose, one week taper, two weeks recovery. You may be able to get by with a single shot of test enanthate to kick things off, with the orals, or propionate or suspension, or other short acting stuff like tren, for the heart of your cycle. Go off and stretch the recovery out more or less as continued progress warrants. Repeat when gains seem assimilated and boys are back online. Go at it like this for 4-5 months and take a longer break after.
Everyone should at least try this style of cycling before jumping into longer cycles.
Whats easiest on the HPTA? Short acting compounds taken for short duration. Orals are all short acting compunds. Avoid nandrolone or slow acting esters taken for months on end.
Can gains be made and retained? Yes. 2-4 weeks on with 2-3 weeks off. Cycles are repeated more frequently. HPTA stays reasonably active. Smaller gains per cycle are assimiliated and retained easier and the body grows more gradually over the long term. Note I have the time on / off somewhat variable. You'll just have to see what you can get away with, bro. I would suggest two weeks full dose, one week taper, two weeks recovery. You may be able to get by with a single shot of test enanthate to kick things off, with the orals, or propionate or suspension, or other short acting stuff like tren, for the heart of your cycle. Go off and stretch the recovery out more or less as continued progress warrants. Repeat when gains seem assimilated and boys are back online. Go at it like this for 4-5 months and take a longer break after.
Everyone should at least try this style of cycling before jumping into longer cycles.
lawnsaver
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Tren and d-bol have you shut down in 3 days! And growth has nothing to do with the gear and the length of your cycle, it had everything to do with the diet you have to maintain new muscle. The further past your genetic potential you go the hard it will be to maintain that size. Increases in food intake in the only cure.
I dont believe in short cycles!
I dont believe in short cycles!
CanadianBro
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Triple J said:
I agree that short cycles are quite effective and could have their place in bodybuilding however to create an effective short-term cycle is quite challenging to say the least.
I have personally completed 2 short-term cycles with great results however, the complication and technicality involved was simply unacceptable for the novice user.
You must realize there are several factors involved in making a short cycle work properly. Factors that most due not even understand to begin with. For example:
• Highly androgenic, aromatizable compounds suppress endogenous testosterone readily. Testosterone cypionate is a prime example.
• Non–aromatizable compounds take longer to suppress endogenous testosterone, e.g. primobolan.
• A small group of non-aromatizable products is highly anti-gonadotropic and suppresses endogenous testosterone more readily than testosterone esters. This is probably due to androgen receptors in brain/adrenal tissue.
• Competitiveness exists for the androgen receptor between testosterone, its reduced form (DHT), and other anabolics and their reduced forms.
• The half–lives of various products give us some indication of when the system is clear of them.
• Some products impart unique qualities. For example, nandrolone can be anti-estrogenic.
• Although not written in stone, Czech scientists determined that the ideal ratio of anabolic to androgenic products (if anabolism is the goal) is 70% anabolic to 30% androgenic.
• Each product has its own anabolic:androgenic ratio. These figures have been considered inaccurate by some. However, when you look at the ratios, the figures are not that wide of the mark.
• Anti-gonadotropic effects start after around two to three weeks of use.
• Not to mention dosage amounts and timing...
This is simply too much to consider for the recreational athlete.
Isnt a longer period of shutdown harder to recover from? Thats what i thought..
If that is the case a short cycle, even with drugs such as anadrol would be better (say 3-5 weeks) than my last cycle of about 14 weeks total. I gained about 30lbs in that cycle, i gained it in the first 7-8 weeks, and i didnt see much afterwards. The body doesnt adjust to 30lbs in a few months that well, so wouldnt it be better to gain say 10-15lbs or so, that way the body has a better time adjusting and keeping its new weight. Whats the point of going on long cycles if gains stop after awhile and you are prolonging shutdown?
If that is the case a short cycle, even with drugs such as anadrol would be better (say 3-5 weeks) than my last cycle of about 14 weeks total. I gained about 30lbs in that cycle, i gained it in the first 7-8 weeks, and i didnt see much afterwards. The body doesnt adjust to 30lbs in a few months that well, so wouldnt it be better to gain say 10-15lbs or so, that way the body has a better time adjusting and keeping its new weight. Whats the point of going on long cycles if gains stop after awhile and you are prolonging shutdown?
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