Oh, and by the way I dont care what people say about Brovel T200. Not all their shit is under dosed. I stacked some Russian Ds with 10ml of it and murdered muthafuckas in and outta the gym. They outta name that shit "18 Again"!!! Im 26 and was a one man wreckin crew on it. All tjhis shit works differently for evrybody. Youll know when you find the shit your body reacts to the best. It all depends on genetics. If you are lean, stick with D tabs and test. If you already have mass go with D tabs and winny. Dont worry about the water retention with the D tabs. It falls off as fast as you get it and then you are left with ripped muscle tissue and a near perfect body without the rest of the world knowing you ever used any gear to get that way. Oh and by the way, always remember,if you are lean and tryin to put on a little mass without looking like a freak, make sure you dont try to just lift heavy constantly. Find a comfort zone and keep good form. You will grow no matter what when your on the shit and stay perportioned. All it takes is good form and a comfortable weight. Lotsa reps will keep you thick,strong and the chicks will never have a clue. Sorry Im preachin but I fucked up a couple cycles by tryin to work a miracle outta a couple cycles. Never give up! Take some before and afters. Patience is key. Miracles happen on TV yo and these ogers you see in the gym have been juicin since before you ever knew what a fuckin cycle was! Keep at it boys and be thankful for what nature gave you.