DrJMW ....

[Mr. Black]

I am currenty in 8.5 weeks into my 12 week d-bol/omna/fina/prop cycle. I have been using HCG @ 500iu's once a week and my balls are as juicy and plentifull as ever. Would you still recommend following your 3 week approach of 1000iu eod for 3 weeks (including nolva @20mg/day) even though I have no atrophy? I plan on running nolva @20mg & clomid 50mg for 4 weeks as well as Proteinfactory's unleashed & post-cycle in conjunction with mulitple noortrophics (ie Neurogenex, Hydergine, Selegiline). thanks

 

[Mr. Black]

^ up for the doc or any other intelligent recommendations

 

[bigdho]

Hey bro....
As far as your Clomid therapy goes I would look at this artical I found on another board comes from a very respected bb. It talks about clomid and half lives but at the end it has a good clomid routine to follow. I have used it a couple of times now and it has definatly helped with pct.

Starting post-cycle clomid therapy depends on what steroid was used during the cycle. Different steroids have different half lifes and beginning clomid intake should be adjusted accordingly. If clomid is taken when androgen levels in our body are still high, it will be a waste. You need to wait for androgen levels to fall before implementing clomid therapy. However, if you wait too long you could possibly lose gains. Look at the list below to determine when you should start clomid therapy. List all the steroids used in your cycle and which ever one has the latest starting point then go with that. For example, if cycle consisted of dbol, sustanon and winstrol, use cessation of sustanon to determine when to begin clomid as it remains active for the longest period of time.

Anadrol/Anapolan: 8 - 12 hours after last administration
Deca: 3 weeks after last injection and clomid for 4 weeks
Dianabol: 4 – 8 hours after last administration
Equipoise: 17 – 21 days after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 10 – 14 days after last injection
Sustanon: 3 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate: 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Propionate: 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension: 4 – 8 hours after last administration
Winstrol: 8 – 12 hours after last administration

Use Clomid at 300mgs on first day of administration. Split this up 2 tabs (50mg ea.) 3 times a day. After first day, use 100mgs (one tab, 2 times a day) for 10 days and then followed by 50mgs for 10 days.

 

[needsize]

I found my best results came when I ran hcg at 500iu 2x weekly all the way thruogh the cycle, then ran it at 500iu per day for the last 10 days of the cycle, starting clomid the day after hcg was done

 

[Mr. Black]

Thanks Needsize, thats probably what I'll end up doing.

 

[DrJMW]

I am currenty in 8.5 weeks into my 12 week d-bol/omna/fina/prop cycle. I have been using HCG @ 500iu's once a week and my balls are as juicy and plentifull as ever. Would you still recommend following your 3 week approach of 1000iu eod for 3 weeks (including nolva @20mg/day) even though I have no atrophy? I plan on running nolva @20mg & clomid 50mg for 4 weeks as well as Proteinfactory's unleashed & post-cycle in conjunction with mulitple noortrophics (ie Neurogenex, Hydergine, Selegiline). thanks

In this case, I wouldn't run HCG after the AAS cycle--just run the clomid and nolvadex, as listed, for six weeks.

 

[Mr. Black]

Thanks for the input doc.

 

[junk]

Testicular size is poor measurment for supression. I had huge balls all though my last cycle. I thought HCG wasn't nessecary as part of PCT. Boy was I wrong. I say follow the HCG plan at least 500iu ED for 10 days.