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Silverback316
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I will drink and than recieve oral, but never drink while on orals.Taomaster said:
Greek Freak
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Drinking while your on is asking for trouble, your body is already under enough strain. Unless you wanna get the liver tan(jaundice) I would save the alc for another time.
Hustler_dt
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drinking while on a non-toxic steroid should be kept to a minimum. drinking while on a liver toxic steroid is crazy.
need to make a choice between juice and alcohol in my opinion. alcohol will only slow your gains anyway. just take a couple months off drinking and get big. then when your done you can do whatever you want again.
need to make a choice between juice and alcohol in my opinion. alcohol will only slow your gains anyway. just take a couple months off drinking and get big. then when your done you can do whatever you want again.
SuKY_GeNeTiCs
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No alcohol. Except when I have to...like during my brothers wedding coming up!
strongtxman
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Besides the physical downsides. High test + alcohol (lower inhibitions) + being married = cheating- from personnal experiece. This has made me give up drinking all together. Always makes me do stuff I regret.
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Dr.M
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I think it depends what you call drinking too, some young people get fucking plastered.
I don't and wont drink on cycle at all however.
I don't and wont drink on cycle at all however.
Golden_Muscle
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I don't even drink off of a cycle. Both together is really stupid. It might not kill you, but it's better not to, But I think you already knew that.
drveejay11
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From Fonz:
"Why alcohol is anathema to bodybuilding..... (post #1)
1: Alcohol Clin Exp Res 1997 Aug;21(5):792-8 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut
Studies on the time-course of ethanol's acute effects on skeletal muscle protein synthesis: comparison with acute changes in proteolytic activity.
Reilly ME, Mantle D, Richardson PJ, Salisbury J, Jones J, Peters TJ, Preedy VR.
Department of Clinical Biochemistry, King's College School of Medicine and Dentistry, London, United Kingdom.
A study of the effects of ethanol on skeletal muscle protein synthesis and protease activities was carried out in young male Wistar rats (150 g) for up to 24 hr after a single intraperitoneal dose of 75 mmol of ethanol/kg of body weight. At 20 min, the mean blood ethanol levels were 448 mg/dl. This level dropped steadily to zero through the following 24 hr.
So, this study basically looks at the effects of ethanol 24 hours
after drinking it.
Compared with pair-fed controls, significant reductions in total protein, RNA, and DNA contents were seen only after 24 hr in all skeletal muscles studied: changes were more marked in the muscles containing large proportions of type II fibers. In plantaris muscle, the fractional rate of protein synthesis (ks, %/day) did not fall 20 min after dosage but was reduced after 1 hr by 23% (p < 0.001), and by 63% after 24 hr, compared with control saline-injected rats (p < 0.001).
So, let us see.......23% reduction in protein synthesis after
1 hr and 63%!!!! after 24 hours.
This effect was independent of dietary intake because,
VERY IMPORTANT: Effect was independent of dietary intake.
SO, even with a PERFECT diet, ethanol still wreaks HAVOC
with your bodies anabolicity.
compared with the pair-fed group, the 24-hr ethanol-treated rats still showed a 52% decrease in fractional rates of protein synthesis (p < 0.001). Smaller reductions in ks were seen in soleus muscles in response to ethanol at 24 hr (-39%, p < 0.001). The activities of a variety of lysosomal and nonlysosomal proteases in plantaris muscle of 24-hr treated rats were not significantly affected by ethanol. Only alanyl- and tripeptidyl-aminopeptidase activities were reduced significantly (26%, p < 0.05 and 39%, p < 0.01, respectively). These results suggest that the muscle compositional changes seen over acute periods of ethanol toxicity are predominantly associated with impaired synthesis of protein and that the contribution of cellular proteolytic systems may be minimal.
Again,
The effects of ethanol on skeletal muscle protein metabolism are greater in muscles containing a predominance of type II fibers than in those containing mainly type I fibers.
Type II fibers= LARGE muscle fibers for TRAINING.
Type I=Fast twitch for activities like walking.
Ethanol's effects on muscle may be influenced by hormonal changes after 24 hr, because protein synthesis is still compromised and free plasma T3 and corticosterone are altered at this time-point.
Even worse, ethanol causes a HORMONAL shift. It increases
estrogen through the up-regulation of the aromatase enzyme,
lowers testosterone,increases cortisol and to boot reduces
free T3 levels.
PMID: 9267527 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
So, the next time you go drinking go for some non-alcoholic
drinks if on cycle. Or use an alcohol replacer.
If you drink, and wonder why you don't grow, well......
read and learn then, because this is for you. "
Fonz
"Why alcohol is anathema to bodybuilding..... (post #1)
1: Alcohol Clin Exp Res 1997 Aug;21(5):792-8 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut
Studies on the time-course of ethanol's acute effects on skeletal muscle protein synthesis: comparison with acute changes in proteolytic activity.
Reilly ME, Mantle D, Richardson PJ, Salisbury J, Jones J, Peters TJ, Preedy VR.
Department of Clinical Biochemistry, King's College School of Medicine and Dentistry, London, United Kingdom.
A study of the effects of ethanol on skeletal muscle protein synthesis and protease activities was carried out in young male Wistar rats (150 g) for up to 24 hr after a single intraperitoneal dose of 75 mmol of ethanol/kg of body weight. At 20 min, the mean blood ethanol levels were 448 mg/dl. This level dropped steadily to zero through the following 24 hr.
So, this study basically looks at the effects of ethanol 24 hours
after drinking it.
Compared with pair-fed controls, significant reductions in total protein, RNA, and DNA contents were seen only after 24 hr in all skeletal muscles studied: changes were more marked in the muscles containing large proportions of type II fibers. In plantaris muscle, the fractional rate of protein synthesis (ks, %/day) did not fall 20 min after dosage but was reduced after 1 hr by 23% (p < 0.001), and by 63% after 24 hr, compared with control saline-injected rats (p < 0.001).
So, let us see.......23% reduction in protein synthesis after
1 hr and 63%!!!! after 24 hours.
This effect was independent of dietary intake because,
VERY IMPORTANT: Effect was independent of dietary intake.
SO, even with a PERFECT diet, ethanol still wreaks HAVOC
with your bodies anabolicity.
compared with the pair-fed group, the 24-hr ethanol-treated rats still showed a 52% decrease in fractional rates of protein synthesis (p < 0.001). Smaller reductions in ks were seen in soleus muscles in response to ethanol at 24 hr (-39%, p < 0.001). The activities of a variety of lysosomal and nonlysosomal proteases in plantaris muscle of 24-hr treated rats were not significantly affected by ethanol. Only alanyl- and tripeptidyl-aminopeptidase activities were reduced significantly (26%, p < 0.05 and 39%, p < 0.01, respectively). These results suggest that the muscle compositional changes seen over acute periods of ethanol toxicity are predominantly associated with impaired synthesis of protein and that the contribution of cellular proteolytic systems may be minimal.
Again,
The effects of ethanol on skeletal muscle protein metabolism are greater in muscles containing a predominance of type II fibers than in those containing mainly type I fibers.
Type II fibers= LARGE muscle fibers for TRAINING.
Type I=Fast twitch for activities like walking.
Ethanol's effects on muscle may be influenced by hormonal changes after 24 hr, because protein synthesis is still compromised and free plasma T3 and corticosterone are altered at this time-point.
Even worse, ethanol causes a HORMONAL shift. It increases
estrogen through the up-regulation of the aromatase enzyme,
lowers testosterone,increases cortisol and to boot reduces
free T3 levels.
PMID: 9267527 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
So, the next time you go drinking go for some non-alcoholic
drinks if on cycle. Or use an alcohol replacer.
If you drink, and wonder why you don't grow, well......
read and learn then, because this is for you. "
Fonz
Golden_Muscle
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serge said:
Exactly, their either stupid, or just to wacked to understand anything. These are the type of guys that don't aspirate because they have lots of experience.
solidspine
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Why in the world would you drink at all when on a cycle?
How old are you
How old are you
drveejay11
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Just being a dick and making sure people read this!
drveejay11 said:
Japanese machine
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johnboy said:
Twice a year MAX, but i do get shit faced; Birthday and Newyears. last year i didnt drink both though. If i do allow myself to drink it will only be on these days. If im out with a girl....priorities suddenly start to change......................
jacobswell
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i think im the only one here who gets fucked no matter what he's on. even my last dbol and var cycle i was drinking. but hey, id rather have a good time then worry about gains. i did use a lot of milk thistle tho so maybe that helped.
i bet if u lot were not juicers many of u would drink.
i bet if u lot were not juicers many of u would drink.
RussianBro
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why drink???
Re: Re: Drinking on a cycle
I'll have to bump that. My girl is not big on me doing the gear so she takes extra care of me so I don't drink. That works well for me because I rarely had more than one drink in a three month period before.
Bad combo. Even injectables are processed by the liver.
Silverback316 said:I will drink and than recieve oral, but never drink while on orals.
I'll have to bump that. My girl is not big on me doing the gear so she takes extra care of me so I don't drink. That works well for me because I rarely had more than one drink in a three month period before.
Bad combo. Even injectables are processed by the liver.
solidspine
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Another reason, which is more important to me,
Is that I am really tired of being in LA county jail, or Orange County Jail, or Avenal Jail , Calipatria jail , or Folsom State Prison.
No weights in California Prison or Jails.
solidspine
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My problem is moderation, I haven’t really understood that concept yet.
ThepoolGuy
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gettnlarge01
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I drink 2gallons of water a day when on a cycle
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ALIN
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Taomaster said:
No..bad idea!
I go out one night a week drinking. I also live in a college town where theres hot drunk chicks everywhere and the only thing to do is go to bars, so its hard to say no. What is the point of juicing and all the time in the gym if your not gonna go out and show off all your hard work? You gotta blow a little steam off sometimes. I do try to avoid it at all costs while on orals though, although I sometimes indulge in a few, or quite a few, or even a few dozen drinks from time to time.
justinjones1963
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I will admit I have had some alcohol while on cycle (never while on orals though) but I refrain from getting hammered.
I go out and get shit faced once a week on and off cycle. Always on injectables, never orals. I like it to blow off steam. I never end up in jail or do anything I regret. Hang out with my bros and have a hell of a time. What else is there to do on a weekend? I never outgrew it (I'm 34) and refuse to apologize for it. Just make sure you don't have to train the next day. Always do cardio and sit in the sauna the day after and no matter how hungover I am in the morning by night time I'm fine.
Fuck moderation.
Fuck moderation.
krishna
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Drinking is garbage! I wish the girls in my town knew how to have a good time without drinking. I get dragged out with them every now and then so I can take care of some things, but I try to keep it to a minimum. Probably about once a month on average. I always lose gains when drinking.
ben dovergurl
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Slider said:
i do the same thing...if i dont at least have one in my hand its instant accusation.
still to this day have never touched orals, but my last couple cycles I drank while on, like ryan 04 live in a college town and same circumstances. If I do go out and have a few, I try to stick to beer, only indulge in the Irish whiskey in the off season. I def feel more bloated and just plain ol fat when I drink while on gear....so my next cycle is going to prob be totally off the booze.
maxspeed96ct
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Im on my first week of test, i told my self I wouldnt drink but couldn't resist, I ended up having 2 coronas within a 3 hour time span....
LiquidPhire
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solidspine said:
lol also. haha
No point in looking this good if you dont party and get laid and get to enjoy it... I only drink if I have a day off from the gym the next day so it doesnt interfere with my body building goals... moderation and balance is key!
But twice a year spring break and vegas is 4 days and nights straight boozin
But twice a year spring break and vegas is 4 days and nights straight boozin
aj13
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Yeah man,
I used to drink and party like 4 nights a week. EVERY time i woke up with that "fuck, what have i done" and intense anxiety which ended up becoming dibilitating during the day. I was hung over alot, fighting with my girlfriend, lost my licence drink driving, and was getting into brawls at the pub... was half way through my law degree so I knew it had to stop or my career would be over before it started. this was from my early teens til about a few years ago.
I know alot of people can drink in moderation and have a good time, but Im not one of those people. Alcohol just isnt for me and makes me depressed an anxious. arghh i hate just thinking about it.
Anyway since i stopped drinking Iv been doing well in uni, had a much more stable relationship with family and friends, feel great about never being hungover and and much more motivated in my boxing and weight lifting. I recently travvelled from australia to L.A, Vegas, New York, Mexico, Cuba and Jamaica and didnt have one drop. people couldnt understand why but I actually had an awesome time... kinda felt embarrassed for the people stumbling around acting like dickheads.
Anyway I would never drink on cycle.. slows protein synthesis anyway doesnt it? and yeah as the others said definately not on a 17aa
andrecarrara
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I was feeling guilty cause i've had I pint of beer over the weekend ..feel much better now..lol
alcohol delays muscle recovery and strains your liver. also it releases estrogen into the body, this is a fact. show me a study that contradicts any of those facts.
hence I do not drink period, even when off cycle. and I do not take hard OTC's like sudafed or mucinex which not only de-hydrate your body but also strain your liver.
hence I do not drink period, even when off cycle. and I do not take hard OTC's like sudafed or mucinex which not only de-hydrate your body but also strain your liver.
LiftHeavy078
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It's funny how threads like this on an AAS forum always get bashed. People who drink and don't do steroids talk crap about people who take steroids. People who take steroids and don't drink talk crap about people who do drink. You guys are just hypocrites. If you take AAS and drink in moderation, such as twice a month, you will be fine. You will have no stalls in gains or anything. I understand why you would not want to drink when on AAS. I am the same way. I like to get the most out of my cycle, but once or twice a month a special occasion comes up where I want to indulge in some alcoholic beverages after working so damn hard and not doing anything for 6 weeks straight. Stop acting like beer is so evil and will destroy any of your goals if you take it on cycle.
If you drink three times a week and hit up Taco Bell after, sure, you won't get crap out of your cycle, but that is just common sense.
If you drink three times a week and hit up Taco Bell after, sure, you won't get crap out of your cycle, but that is just common sense.
depends on how serious you are about lifting.
for some of us lifting is our lives. 6X a week, 90 minutes/day.. and we want to really push hard to reach our goals. for others they just do it to get chicks and cause their friends do it so they want to fit in.
everyone is different.
i would rather pump steroids then pump kegs though anyday. its been proven having high test levels is therapeutic, boosts libido and boosts self confidence. alcohol just brings in depression and beer guts, i dont see where the benefit is
LiftHeavy078
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Believe me, lifting is my life. Five times a week, 90+ minutes a day. I follow a strict healthy diet, 24/7. I am 6.5% bodyfat. I despise those who go out and drink 5 nights a week. It's pathetic to say the least. They drink every night, eat like crap all day, sleep late, everything lifters like us would never do. But, that does not mean we can't take one day out of 6 or so weeks to do that ourselves. It will not harm a single thing. It won't harm our health, gains, etc. As a matter of fact, it could be somewhat beneficial. Shock our bodies, fix a plateau by doing something you never do and spiking your calories with junk food, you name it.
If you don't want to drink, and are fine with it, and you are having fun, then more power to you man. There is asbolutely no problem with that, and I find that awesome. If you don't do it because you feel it will hinder whatever you are doing, and you are not having fun, then go out and have some beers. I don't think it's the ladder though.
Put it this way: I ended a cycle last year right before summer started, jacked and shredded. I still followed my diet and workout routine, but once or twice on the weekends I would drink, eat, and have fun all day. Did this for over 7 straight months and I looked exactly the same. Exactly. I gained a few pounds of fat, but hardly any, and by the time the fat was coming on a bit, it was already mid-winter and I was wearing sweatshirts and needed some protection from the cold anyway. After 7 months I got up to 12.5% bodyfat. That is still low and healthy as hell. I already planned to cut down hardcore again right before spring started and keep it going again. Now I am down to 6.5% bodyfat. As long as you have a planned schedule, do things in moderation, and use common sense, you can do these things and stay healthy and look good year-round.
Also, don't think that I am the type that "can't gain fat easily". I used to be 320lbs. This shows that drinking and eating in moderation once you reach your goal, while still following a strict diet and workout routine the rest of the time is perfectly fine and safe. There is nothing wrong with it.
Lifters use the "alcohol ruins gains" thing the same way Fox News uses the "steroids kill people" thing. It is all over-exaggerated, and they are all safe if used in moderation.
good job bro .. keep it up.
a lot of people slack off especially when they get a fulltime career and a nagging wife etc. the key here is to not let anything distract you. you can make time for your career, wife, gf, kids, etc. and still manage to hit the gym 5-6X a week
I rarely drink to begin with but got really depressed about a girl so i started drinking and I happen to be on a cycle (ive only done small cycles 200 mg test, 200 mg tren, and 200 mg eq per week). after a few shots and only one beer i felt really dizzy and almost passed out at the bar. The bouncers kept walking up to me asking me if i was ok. an hour later i felt fine and drove home. stupid I know. no more drinking while on gear for me.
probably de-hydration.
ahhhh.. being a young kid.. i remember those days. you will get hurt many more times bro, that is part of the game. the solution isn't to go out and drink though, solution is to tell the witch to F off and go and find a better one.. you can take out your depression in the weight room.
much more to life then girls, drinking, and partying.. you young guns on here will learn as you get older and mature. stick to your health and your career #1 and #2. you can always find a great girl in your 30's or 40's. the girl you think you love at 19 you will hate at 29. it works that way 90% of the time.
i know guys in their 30's who have 3 or 4 kids by 2 or 3 different women.. their entire salary goes to child support and bills. and they are alone cause no chick wants them cause they spent their prime years worrying about getting laid and partying and not about securing their future with a career. you guys might think i'm a dick saying this stuff but take this with a huge bag of salt and THINK about what I am writing then decide where you want to be in another 10-15 years.
and then for me I look at some of the other members who are 45 on here and strive to become as knowledgable and successful as they are at 45. and so on.
wow, only 58 for never. I would of thought it'd been more.
was into day 3 of the beast cycle, had some drinks, very little compared to what i normally drink and let me tell you, I couldn't remember driving home and had a horrible hangover. I won't be risking it again, I figured I had just started and only have 4-5 drinks over several hrs, but it hit me like a shit ton of bricks.
bro I am a few days into beast and exhausted. the stuff is strong. no way can you drink AT ALL while on it.
skyling35
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I challenge that theory. I smoke daily and go harder than anyone else in my mma gym. Ive never noticed any effect on my cardio or stamina.
Now drinking on cycle. Very bad with orals, and still not good with injectables.
endojuicedr
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Not necessarily, if you smoke 3 blunts and go straight to the gym then yea it will be a problem... but if you wait til post w/o and use in moderation it's really not an issue.
gator_mclusky
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Moderation is key. If one reads the package insert on Cyp, it has less sides than most medications and peeps drink on most all meds if they are drinkers.
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endojuicedr
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Vaporizer ftw
endojuicedr
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There's actually a lot of scientic evidence showing drinking in moderation, especially red wine, is healthy for you. Now as a bodybuilder or athlete, of course it is best to not get hammered very often. Vaporizers are slowly becoming more popular, but ya I agree most people still don't use them yet. I did notice a small change in cardio performance, etc when I quit smoking dro but I think a few pulls here and there will have basically no effect whatsoever healthwise, definitely nothing comparable to aas use.
its baloney that smoking weed is okay. i used to date a girl who was a pothead and she spent all day and night coughing up her lung. so please dont come on here and say its okay to smoke weed and still perform up to your ability. you are inhaling smoke directly into your lungs.
and smoking cigarettes?? dont even get me started on that.. I avoid smokers.. 2nd hand smoke bothers the hell out of me. i cant even breathe afterwards and my clothes i have to toss into the wash. even 3rd hand smoke annoys me. if someone sits next to me that just smoked i can smell it on them
and smoking cigarettes?? dont even get me started on that.. I avoid smokers.. 2nd hand smoke bothers the hell out of me. i cant even breathe afterwards and my clothes i have to toss into the wash. even 3rd hand smoke annoys me. if someone sits next to me that just smoked i can smell it on them
Its not really about drinking...its more about how frequently you raise your blood alcohol levels above .08. I can't remember where, but it makes sense. I read a study on the effects of alcohol on the body and hormones...particularly muscle mass. Those who drank more frequently and didn't raise their BAC had higher levels of muscle mass than those who binge drank everyweekend.
Which all makes sense. A glass of red wine 4 nights a week may even have positive effects on bp and stress levels. Whereas pounding 15 beers Friday night and 15 beers Saturday night throws ur body off for the next 2-3 days. Considering ur dehydrated yourself, dramatically reducing plasma test levels and increasing estrogen levels.
This is why men get so horny when we get drunk. Alcohol drastically reduces the amount of testosterone in the blood...so the body signals sex hormones to increase the test production, sad thing it alcohol inhibits the test from being produced...which causes a buildup of sex hormones and causes men to get beergoggles and want to hump anything that moves. Sadly without the test...whiskey dick sets in.
Anyone correct me if I'm wrong. Been a long time since I read that study
Which all makes sense. A glass of red wine 4 nights a week may even have positive effects on bp and stress levels. Whereas pounding 15 beers Friday night and 15 beers Saturday night throws ur body off for the next 2-3 days. Considering ur dehydrated yourself, dramatically reducing plasma test levels and increasing estrogen levels.
This is why men get so horny when we get drunk. Alcohol drastically reduces the amount of testosterone in the blood...so the body signals sex hormones to increase the test production, sad thing it alcohol inhibits the test from being produced...which causes a buildup of sex hormones and causes men to get beergoggles and want to hump anything that moves. Sadly without the test...whiskey dick sets in.
Anyone correct me if I'm wrong. Been a long time since I read that study
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