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Griz1
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drop the booze, smoke the dope (or better yet, eat it)
despite the propaganda, the worst thing about the pot is that you're putting smoke in your lungs
actually a good clean strain of pot (usually pure or partial sativa) can and often does increase your heartbeat much like caffeine anyway All things considered pot is about on the same level physiologically as caffeine (minus any "mental" effects) and far far far less addictive
i've looked at this issue of pot E X T E N S I V L Y and if you refer to some other threads I've posted on regarding dope you'll see what i mean
i don't like pot, but i've been around it all my life and researched it to exhaustion there's only like one, or two studies from the U.S. that I would even consider as valid information
if you want more solid science i would suggest looking overseas to the univerisites over there (or perhaps Canada) as these are not influenced, silently funded, or driven in any way by the ONDCP, or other biased agencies.
the booze is a much different kind of poison and full of empty calories anyway that you don't need
mind you a couple of drinks now and then won't hurt your training any and probably help your "sanity" but I'd keep a strict limit on it (couple="2" NOT "20")
So now the "ultra-conservative" governement trusting folks who've grown up with and believed that "pot is evil" can respond now....yes, yes, your brother smoked pot and it ruined his life ergo pot bad! LOL! There's logic for you!
despite the propaganda, the worst thing about the pot is that you're putting smoke in your lungs
actually a good clean strain of pot (usually pure or partial sativa) can and often does increase your heartbeat much like caffeine anyway All things considered pot is about on the same level physiologically as caffeine (minus any "mental" effects) and far far far less addictive
i've looked at this issue of pot E X T E N S I V L Y and if you refer to some other threads I've posted on regarding dope you'll see what i mean
i don't like pot, but i've been around it all my life and researched it to exhaustion there's only like one, or two studies from the U.S. that I would even consider as valid information
if you want more solid science i would suggest looking overseas to the univerisites over there (or perhaps Canada) as these are not influenced, silently funded, or driven in any way by the ONDCP, or other biased agencies.
the booze is a much different kind of poison and full of empty calories anyway that you don't need
mind you a couple of drinks now and then won't hurt your training any and probably help your "sanity" but I'd keep a strict limit on it (couple="2" NOT "20")
So now the "ultra-conservative" governement trusting folks who've grown up with and believed that "pot is evil" can respond now....yes, yes, your brother smoked pot and it ruined his life ergo pot bad! LOL! There's logic for you!
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waderironman
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i do both of these things too, not so much drinking tho. and i can really feel the difference in my performance on a day right after i drink heavily. try to cut back on that, or keep it to days when you dont lift the day after (for me, its none other than friday and saturday nights). as for blazing, i smoke a shitload, have lifted high before, etc. a few tips from a vet:
1) DO NOT smoke before you lift. whenever i used to do it, my heartrate would skyrocket. its prolly not good for your heart and who knows you might have a heart attack from it. so stay away from that. plus the cottonmouth is brutal lol!
2) the more you smoke in general, the more you will feel "high" during a lift. i have a theory, that goes: when you smoke, THC is stored in your fat right? well when you lift and are burning fats in your body, that THC is released back into your bloodstream. ive felt this before, where i dont smoke the entire day, go to the gym and halfway through feel like im ripped. its not that strong of a high, just something ive experienced.
smoking affects cardio ALOT more than lifting (if it affects lifting at all). i used to run cross country, and now i struggle to run 6 miles straight. i still do cardio now, but im not gonna give up smoking just yet so i could run farther (at least til im out of college).
besides, think about it: alcohol is like poison to your body, dro is an all natural flower that people have enjoyed for many many years. which one do you think is better for you.
hey hey hey, smoke weed everyday
1) DO NOT smoke before you lift. whenever i used to do it, my heartrate would skyrocket. its prolly not good for your heart and who knows you might have a heart attack from it. so stay away from that. plus the cottonmouth is brutal lol!
2) the more you smoke in general, the more you will feel "high" during a lift. i have a theory, that goes: when you smoke, THC is stored in your fat right? well when you lift and are burning fats in your body, that THC is released back into your bloodstream. ive felt this before, where i dont smoke the entire day, go to the gym and halfway through feel like im ripped. its not that strong of a high, just something ive experienced.
smoking affects cardio ALOT more than lifting (if it affects lifting at all). i used to run cross country, and now i struggle to run 6 miles straight. i still do cardio now, but im not gonna give up smoking just yet so i could run farther (at least til im out of college).
besides, think about it: alcohol is like poison to your body, dro is an all natural flower that people have enjoyed for many many years. which one do you think is better for you.
hey hey hey, smoke weed everyday
Griz1
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Well it's not just THC that yer smoking there's some other stuff too. I'd have to dig out some literature I have on it.
I "think", and I may be remembering this wrong, that depending on the ratios of THC and CBNs and stuff it'll either make you very "up" with increased heart rate and stuff, or bring you down with a more "narcotic" effect. Typically I think most of the "commerical" weed is of the "narcotic" effect (THOUGH NOT A NARCOTIC BY ANY MEANS!).
Lately I've been looking more at the politics of pot rather than the physiology, so that particular "tid-bit" has "leaked" out the other ear....
I'm pretty sure that even if it did raise metabolism, those effects would quickly dwindle with regular use as the body tends to adapt to weed pretty quick. There was some excellent work done at a European university in the 70's that measured the physiological response to pot. I gotta see if I still have a copy.
Even if it does increase the metabolism, it wouldn't work for weight loss cause of all the fuckin Doritios yer gonna eat....lol!!
Pot is NOT a drug that is gonna help (nor hinder) a bodybuilder (excepting the smoke in lungs thing) or athlete.
Y'all remember our Canadian snowboarding hero from the olympics what's his name...Ross Roll-a-doobie?
I "think", and I may be remembering this wrong, that depending on the ratios of THC and CBNs and stuff it'll either make you very "up" with increased heart rate and stuff, or bring you down with a more "narcotic" effect. Typically I think most of the "commerical" weed is of the "narcotic" effect (THOUGH NOT A NARCOTIC BY ANY MEANS!).
Lately I've been looking more at the politics of pot rather than the physiology, so that particular "tid-bit" has "leaked" out the other ear....
I'm pretty sure that even if it did raise metabolism, those effects would quickly dwindle with regular use as the body tends to adapt to weed pretty quick. There was some excellent work done at a European university in the 70's that measured the physiological response to pot. I gotta see if I still have a copy.
Even if it does increase the metabolism, it wouldn't work for weight loss cause of all the fuckin Doritios yer gonna eat....lol!!
Pot is NOT a drug that is gonna help (nor hinder) a bodybuilder (excepting the smoke in lungs thing) or athlete.
Y'all remember our Canadian snowboarding hero from the olympics what's his name...Ross Roll-a-doobie?
I don't drink much while I am here at home. Been a while since I've had anything to drink.
While I was overseas...I drank something every single day. Never got drunk though (difficult to do anyway).
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While I was overseas...I drank something every single day. Never got drunk though (difficult to do anyway).
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Lumberg
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YMMV.
Look at american football players. I have played with guys that were absolute beasts who would have "case races" on weekends. Same goes for weed smokers.
I personally don't do either.
I guess someone has to do a study with a bunch of sets of identical twins. One out of each pair gets 'faced a few times a week, the other abstains. Otherwise same diet, training regimen, etc. See who has better size/strength/athletic ability at then end of a few months.
Look at american football players. I have played with guys that were absolute beasts who would have "case races" on weekends. Same goes for weed smokers.
I personally don't do either.
I guess someone has to do a study with a bunch of sets of identical twins. One out of each pair gets 'faced a few times a week, the other abstains. Otherwise same diet, training regimen, etc. See who has better size/strength/athletic ability at then end of a few months.
Lord_Suston
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Personally I like to have a few cocktails before lifting, kinda numbs my body so I don't feel any pain. Then when I get done I smoke a few joints so I don't realize the pain I just put myself through and I can go to the buffet and get the most out of my money. And before bed I have a few vicodins and percocets to calm down the headache of what I have done and so I can go to sleep. In the morning if I am groggy I do a few lines of coke to wake up, I really don't think this would decrease my performance at all.
P.S. I only do this on gym days, so I know that I am not going overboard.....only 3-5 times a week
P.S. I only do this on gym days, so I know that I am not going overboard.....only 3-5 times a week
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You forgot the meth as a energy/weight loss supplement.
LeanMeanHockeyMachine
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I know a guy who drinks and smokes weed a lot. Yet he's ripped to the bone, runs 5k (around 3 miles) in 16 minutes and 40 seconds and is freakishly strong. It drives insane, because he's not a casual drinker or smoker, he over does it, yet he's perfectly fine! Than look at me, I train hard, eat healthy and haven't touched pot or alcohol in my life, and I'm no where near his athletic ability. Is there no justice in the world!
Whatever, you guys can pat yourselves on the back for "clean living." Me, I prefer to look at the actual scientific ramifications of a drug and then decide if it's something I'll risk using.
Alcohol, the negative effects on testosterone are well documented; I drink sparingly. Weed? It's pretty benign, I think I'll have a bong rip or two.
Alcohol, the negative effects on testosterone are well documented; I drink sparingly. Weed? It's pretty benign, I think I'll have a bong rip or two.
kansasfarmman
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casualbb said:
Dogging people who live a clean life? No wonder you are thin as a rail in your avatar. Drug usage catches up with you soon enough. Its no wonder your body isn't growing. . you have carcinogens floating inside the system. Oh well, thats your business.
kansasfarmman
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casualbb said:
Sorry man. . I was being honest. Its a shame when you get upset about the truth. When I train people I like to lead them in a positive way.
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In case you're curious kansasfarmman, I've gone from 165 @ about 14% to 210 @10% in 2 years of training naturally.
I also drink and smoke weed now and then. Not great amounts, mind you, but casual and the rest of us aren't suggesting becoming bong-driven alcoholics.
I also drink and smoke weed now and then. Not great amounts, mind you, but casual and the rest of us aren't suggesting becoming bong-driven alcoholics.
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Oh yeah, ecstasy too (!!!). Whaddya know, I'm doing pretty well.
Sometimes being happy is worth so much more than the health benefits/risks.
Going out and having several beers with great friends can do wonders for your training...especially mentally.
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Going out and having several beers with great friends can do wonders for your training...especially mentally.
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b fold the truth said:
Very well said.
In my mind, anything to excess is bad for you. Give your life balance and you will find a happiness that you never knew existed. You can spend 24/7 in the gym, counting calories, carbs, and fat grams, but if you're not happy, what have you done? The same goes for anyone who does the party scene 24/7, which I don't think that anyone here is suggesting. Like I said, it's all about balance.
casualbb said:
I seem to have that problem as well
LOL. It's not fair!I've nothing to add to the topic, really...I've never smoked marijuana, but I certainly can't hold anything against occassional users. I'll take a drink--Arnold had a point about beer vs. milk--but nothing too excessive. I think we have to give ourselves a little "treat" every so often, and that we all deserve as much for the way we bust our asses day in and day out.
Maybe that's a conceit, but it's also true. I know if my bodybuilding endeavor is compromised .0001% by enjoying some beer, well, big fucking deal. The whole reason I lift is to have FUN; the day it becomes unfun, and dictates whether or not I can relax once in awhile is the day I quit and take up golf.
(Not really. I'm a shitty golfer. but I've always wanted to say that
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Luciano_
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After trying and being in different situations 24/7: sports, party, study, recreational drugs, psychopharmac, healthful life. I can now say that the last is the one that makes me happier and reminds me the bad side of the others.
Anyway I agree with most of them, moderation is the key, but it's something I can't achieve, don't know why .. I am an obsessive person jumping from one life style to other ...
Anyway I agree with most of them, moderation is the key, but it's something I can't achieve, don't know why .. I am an obsessive person jumping from one life style to other ...
Tom Treutlein
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I used to go black or white with everything, so whatever my main hobby was, it would dictate my life. At one point, it was drinking and smoking. Then, it was DXM. Then, it was a girl. Well, twice a girl. I also tried with counting every little thing I ate and did towards my training, to make sure I was going to be preforming optimally. Well, I said fuck that. I agree that you need to strike a type of balance. Yes, some times you have to buckle down and do things you don't want to, or avoid those sweets and instead have some oats, but if you cheat every so often then it's not a big deal.
