Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Anyone catch Loveline tonight? Drew said marijuana decreases testosterone and increases estrogen levels in men, and that's why heavy pot smokers in their teens are more likely to develop gyno than non-smokers. This is probably old news to a lot of you, but i've heard some people here say smoking pot isn't anti-anabolic. It sounds like it is, and it probably contributes to gyno too.
Dr Drew says: stop smoking pot!
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It'll also shrink your pecker.
thewanderer690
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Anybody said:
Loveline has gone way downhill since Adam Corolla left. The show was so much better when he was there. Now they just try to fill the void with celebrities who many times aren't that great on the radio. Corolla's new morning show is pretty good he took over Stern's spot on the radio out here in LA.
shoestring
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Dr Drew can smoke my pole! 
cityhick
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Its never a bad idea to quite smokin period. Take it from a pot head. I dont do shit besides get fat and watch the discovery channel and jack off when I smoke to much. Smoking to hard on the cardio system witch in turn makes it harder to send white blood cells and oxogen to muscles that need repair. I chew to relax now. Shit I wish i could smoke one after a workout though.......but i CANT.
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Dr Drew is right. If you smoke a lot of pot, it will cause excess estrogens = bitch tits. Most guys, it doesn't show that bad. I have a few friends that are life long pot smokers. You can see small traces of bitch titi-ness in them, but i'm sure it would go away after some heavy a-dex and sobriety.
drugs and alcky don't mix with gear. My workouts suffer if I go out dancing and drinking. Just aint worth it in the long run if you are serious about lifting.
drugs and alcky don't mix with gear. My workouts suffer if I go out dancing and drinking. Just aint worth it in the long run if you are serious about lifting.
krishna
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Pot also has health benefits which can aid in muscle recovery. I'm not going to comment on whether or not I smoke it, but there is two sides to every story. Pot is one of those drugs that can both aid and harm you at the same time, even when speaking in terms of bodybuilding. The only reason I'd do it is to relax my eyes cause they are always tense. Besides, there really isn't any conclusive medical evidence that weed adversely affects testosterone or estrogen levels. If someone has found a study to show otherwise, please post it.
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coffey
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I went from smoking everyday to nothing. I stopped a month ago and havent done it since. Partly because I graduated a semester early and right now my body is 'under-construction.' I've been hitting the gym pretty hard, and in the past year I have lost almost 50lbs. I can't wait from prom, everyone who hasn't seen me in 18 weeks is gonna think I'm someone else.
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liquidmuscle
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my pops has semi gyno and he jokes saying its from 30yrs of smoking pot...maybe he is right maybe he is wrong
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Mr.X
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Don't do rec. drugs, simple as that. Pot or not, benefits or not, it's still a rec. drug. I stay away from all of it.
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Mr.X said:
But juicing is OK? From a moral standpoint, I see zero difference between the two.
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BigCracker said:
lol, I'm not going to argue here the morality of juice or pot. However, if you see no difference between steroid and pot, then I have nothing to say.
Just a quick question, when was the last time someone got high from using some dbol?
Weed like roids isnt bad if you dont go mad with the stuff
Ive been growing breeding and smoking weed for about 8 years EVERY DAY its a hobby for me just like taking roids and lifting
my veiw on weed is there are many differant strains of weed indica, sativa and all the hybrids in between from all over the world well over a 1000 differant strains each one has a differant effect ranging from extream sedative to almost coke/speed like highs with improved concentraition also some strains are proven afrodisiacs(sp?)I also know many smokers /grower all over the pantet and dissusced the test/estro and gyno with them and could not find 100%facts anywere that weed causes gyno the only problen I could see is that smoking a lot of ANYTHING before a workout will rob youre muscles of oxygen and replace it with the carbons from the smoke and thus effect youre endurence and workout
I love weed I have had spells were Ive been off it for a mounth or so and I miss it ,unless my lights are running and my bowl is backed Im just not me
dr drew this one for you
Ive been growing breeding and smoking weed for about 8 years EVERY DAY its a hobby for me just like taking roids and lifting
my veiw on weed is there are many differant strains of weed indica, sativa and all the hybrids in between from all over the world well over a 1000 differant strains each one has a differant effect ranging from extream sedative to almost coke/speed like highs with improved concentraition also some strains are proven afrodisiacs(sp?)I also know many smokers /grower all over the pantet and dissusced the test/estro and gyno with them and could not find 100%facts anywere that weed causes gyno the only problen I could see is that smoking a lot of ANYTHING before a workout will rob youre muscles of oxygen and replace it with the carbons from the smoke and thus effect youre endurence and workout
I love weed I have had spells were Ive been off it for a mounth or so and I miss it ,unless my lights are running and my bowl is backed Im just not me
dr drew this one for you
pot smokers = most ambitious people in the world. when it comes to defending the merits of being tranq'ed out 24/7. have a cup of coffee and try being a productive member of society.Bozwell said:Weed like roids isnt bad if you dont go mad with the stuff
Ive been growing breeding and smoking weed for about 8 years EVERY DAY its a hobby for me just like taking roids and lifting
my veiw on weed is there are many differant strains of weed indica, sativa and all the hybrids in between from all over the world well over a 1000 differant strains each one has a differant effect ranging from extream sedative to almost coke/speed like highs with improved concentraition also some strains are proven afrodisiacs(sp?)I also know many smokers /grower all over the pantet and dissusced the test/estro and gyno with them and could not find 100%facts anywere that weed causes gyno the only problen I could see is that smoking a lot of ANYTHING before a workout will rob youre muscles of oxygen and replace it with the carbons from the smoke and thus effect youre endurence and workout
I love weed I have had spells were Ive been off it for a mounth or so and I miss it ,unless my lights are running and my bowl is backed Im just not me
dr drew this one for you
I am productive I produce about 2lbs of quality herb every couple of monthshumantarget said:
no but I do see myself as an active PRODUCTIVE member of societyI have a good job(welder/ fabricator)2 kids and a morgage , did you not read the bit about the strains that give active highs there are many strains of weed that tranq you out but these are mor medical straoins that people grow simply becuase they are potent but have no quality to the high they give ,they just knock you out (g13,hashplant ect) I pefere the more up active thai/haze hybids that give clear active highs
as for the coffee ,do you know caffine is the most used rec drug in the world
Ive had my say and am not getting into a slagging match
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you have no choice now. do you see how many slack jawed, unemployed, uneducated, 5 child having, no bill paying, car stereo stealing losers they arrest and drag into court every day because of weed? about 50% of all drug arrests are pot. i don't see to many professional types being searched and having a satchel of weed pulled out of the front of their pants. it's ridiculous and shameful. why is it that they're always carrying so much pot around with them?? i guess you never know when you might need to smoke 50 joints...Bozwell said:I am productive I produce about 2lbs of quality herb every couple of months
no but I do see myself as an active PRODUCTIVE member of societyI have a good job(welder/ fabricator)2 kids and a morgage , did you not read the bit about the strains that give active highs there are many strains of weed that tranq you out but these are mor medical straoins that people grow simply becuase they are potent but have no quality to the high they give ,they just knock you out (g13,hashplant ect) I pefere the more up active thai/haze hybids that give clear active highs
as for the coffee ,do you know caffine is the most used rec drug in the world
Ive had my say and am not getting into a slagging match
peace
reigninghard
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not to support one arguement or another, but actually i do get high off of dbol.....it gives me a feeling like im superman and i just feel really good in general when im on it.....I like the feeling it gives me better than smoking pot, lolMr.X said:lol, I'm not going to argue here the morality of juice or pot. However, if you see no difference between steroid and pot, then I have nothing to say.
Just a quick question, when was the last time someone got high from using some dbol?
its a different high, but nonetheless its a high.
Im not being drawn down to a level were Im made out to look like the folk you described in youre post ,I know people like this and understand what youre saying,youre making it seem like weed its the problem its not people are the problem if you have no morals or respect for youre self and others around you it makes no differance what you take your still going to be an arseholehumantarget said:
you have an opinion fair enough
btw If you carry loads of weed around with you want to be locked up for being so stupid
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i used to get high on weed but i quite over a year ago. Now i get high on juice, and yes, I do get high on it. there IS a slight sense of euphoria that goes along with the whole process.
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No one here is getting a physical high from steroids, stop claiming that or anything even remotely close. It's bad for the forum and it fuels the media ignorance - think more MTV idiots coming out saying they got "high" from dbol, come on use your head! Just because you feel good from working out, eating right and improving your body, it doesn't mean you're "high" from it. If you want to say something, say you feel good about improving your body while using AS...
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lol...I know youre the all-knowing and powerful Mr.x but you must admit that certain steroids make you feel different...good and bad...dbol in particular makes me feel great...its a fact! Even in dbols drug profile it states it will give users a sense of well-being. In fact, "Despite all of these possible symptoms Dianabol instills in most athletes a "sense of well-being anabolic" which improves the mood and appetite and in many users, together with the obtained results, leads to an improved level of consciousness and a higher self confidence."(quote from mmsfitness.com) If this is bad for the forum then tough shit...truth is truth.Mr.X said:
Marijuana's effects are very similar...increased libido, and appetite...lol obviously not anabolicly
reigninghard
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by the way.....i definitely agree with you calling them MTV idiots..those guys definitley misrepresented.
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Well I just read that article.... You all must not have read it through... here is a quote from it: "Furthermore, simultaneous decreases in serum testosterone were observed. In another study it was found that THC lowered testosterone and LH levels..."BigCracker said:
I have never felt "HIGH" off of Dbol or any other AAS. PE...
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reigninghard said:
You don't need to be facetious, I am stating facts here. No one is getting a physical 'high' from steroids. The word "high" and steroids should NEVER be in the same sentense, as it will lead to a more problematic future for AS user. MTV 2 series will talk about the "HIGH" you get from taking steroids, just like pot? wasn't that what they said on Elitefitness....
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You took the information completely out of context.
http://www.mmsfitness.com/steroids/profiles/dianabol.htm
"The effect of Dianabol promotes the protein synthesis, thus it supports the buildup of protein. This effect manifests itself in a positive nitrogen balance and an improved well-being."
Protein synthesis can be increased in many other ways, including refeeds; thus, the correlation between protein sythesis and "getting high" is far reached. A lot of people feel good after they binge eat ice cream and cake, it doesn't mean cake and ice-cream are comparable to steroids. You read the last quote, but you failed to read the 'claimed' reason behind it. Either way, I think I will be adding a line to that profile saying
"STEROIDS DO NOT MAKE YOU HIGH".
reigninghard
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i guess it just depends on your interpretation of "HIGH"....im considering any altered state of mind from consumption of any substance..
reigninghard
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Mr.X said:You don't need to be facetious, I am stating facts here. No one is getting a physical 'high' from steroids. The word "high" and steroids should NEVER be in the same sentense, as it will lead to a more problematic future for AS user. MTV 2 series will talk about the "HIGH" you get from taking steroids, just like pot? wasn't that what they said on Elitefitness....
You took the information completely out of context.
http://www.mmsfitness.com/steroids/profiles/dianabol.htm
"The effect of Dianabol promotes the protein synthesis, thus it supports the buildup of protein. This effect manifests itself in a positive nitrogen balance and an improved well-being."
Protein synthesis can be increased in many other ways, including refeeds; thus, the correlation between protein sythesis and "getting high" is far reached. A lot of people feel good after they binge eat ice cream and cake, it doesn't mean cake and ice-cream are comparable to steroids. You read the last quote, but you failed to read the 'claimed' reason behind it. Either way, I think I will be adding a line to that profile saying
"STEROIDS DO NOT MAKE YOU HIGH".
hey man i wasnt trying to be a smartass...I actually mean it when i say all-knowing...i know you are very knowledgable and i have benefited from your knowledge....and no its not the same high as pot...but the only thing we are doing are mincing words....either way you have a valid point and I feel that i do as well...we just arent quite getting each other. Side note: I dont take dbol to get high..lol
Respectfuly, Reigninghard
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I grow Bubblegum, Trainwreck and White Widow myself. Half of my system is ebb & flow tables, the other half is in dirt. It's a fun and lucrative hobby.
No one on this board has the right to start handing out moral judgements to people who use recreational drugs...its a personal choice, and as long as someones not breaking into your house to get money to buy weed, its none of your business. I smoke at least once a day, have a job, work out for 2 hrs 5 x a week, and go to school full time (working on my masters). If you let pot turn you into a lazy fuck, then it will, but if you have some will power and ambition, it will have no adverse effects on you.
I grow Bubblegum, Trainwreck and White Widow myself. Half of my system is ebb & flow tables, the other half is in dirt. It's a fun and lucrative hobby.
No one on this board has the right to start handing out moral judgements to people who use recreational drugs...its a personal choice, and as long as someones not breaking into your house to get money to buy weed, its none of your business. I smoke at least once a day, have a job, work out for 2 hrs 5 x a week, and go to school full time (working on my masters). If you let pot turn you into a lazy fuck, then it will, but if you have some will power and ambition, it will have no adverse effects on you.
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reigninghard said:
my bad bro, I thought you were being one...
I take back the facetious remark.
either way you have a valid point and I feel that i do as well...we just arent quite getting each other.
This is good stuff. I agree with both parties here!
This is good stuff. I agree with both parties here!
Not that anyone cares - but here's my take on Juice and Pot
TO EACH HIS OWN
I would NEVER look down on someone cause' they do one or the other or both, or none - and I'm not going to pass judgement on another and ignorantly "lump" them into groups of statistical "pods".
These boards are easily the best resource I have for getting myself back into the shape after a LONG journey from the "bottom" - so it's gonna take more than a little banter over some "herb" to get my panties in a bunch from now on.
I know it sounds like I'm rambling, (probably cause' I am) - but I think we tend to get a little fired-up, and go off half-cocked, due in part to the fact that we are sitting/typing from a safe place, AND it's easy to let anger fester inside you when you never actually see the people you are sharing dialogue with.
Also - as with email - individuals "text" can be taken OUT of context - (due to the fact that text doesn't show the various colors of sarcasm, etc.
So.............after a pretty petty week (myself included) lets just agree to disagree on the small-insignificant things that NONE OF US CAN CHANGE, so that we can help EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US change the things that we can change, but just don't know how to on our own.
In the end - E.F. will undoubtedly benefit from this, but more importantly, "WE" will benefit and grow as individuals, cause only as strong individuals can we make a strong team.
Peace to ALL
TO EACH HIS OWN
I would NEVER look down on someone cause' they do one or the other or both, or none - and I'm not going to pass judgement on another and ignorantly "lump" them into groups of statistical "pods".
These boards are easily the best resource I have for getting myself back into the shape after a LONG journey from the "bottom" - so it's gonna take more than a little banter over some "herb" to get my panties in a bunch from now on.
I know it sounds like I'm rambling, (probably cause' I am) - but I think we tend to get a little fired-up, and go off half-cocked, due in part to the fact that we are sitting/typing from a safe place, AND it's easy to let anger fester inside you when you never actually see the people you are sharing dialogue with.
Also - as with email - individuals "text" can be taken OUT of context - (due to the fact that text doesn't show the various colors of sarcasm, etc.
So.............after a pretty petty week (myself included) lets just agree to disagree on the small-insignificant things that NONE OF US CAN CHANGE, so that we can help EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US change the things that we can change, but just don't know how to on our own.
In the end - E.F. will undoubtedly benefit from this, but more importantly, "WE" will benefit and grow as individuals, cause only as strong individuals can we make a strong team.
Peace to ALL
krishna
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fivefold said:
One of the studies also said there there were no significant decreases in testosterone, and it also elevated GH levels. The studies are inconclusive and contradictory like I said before. I also said it helps you in some ways and my harm you in others in regards to bodybuilding. You can't really say that it is bad or good given the current evidence. Anyone using hyped up claims to deter people from using it is a moron just like Dr Drew. If you want reasons to tell people not to use it, tell them it makes you lazy and screws up short-term memory. Don't go off things that haven't been determined one way or the other. This isn't directed towards you btw; more at Dr. Drew.
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