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ok- ive been reading and posting for a short while and know the basic do's and don'ts i've laid off the idea of using AS for a while because i'm only 19. but what i dont know is the "WHAT IFS" what would the consequences be of taking AS on a short cycle(6-8wks) with proper PCT at the young age of 19? i think thats why alot of people dont listen to advise- because there just told "nah dont do that- do this"etc and dont know WHY not to do this rather than that etc
 
I've seen it plenty where the uneducated (often times younger) aspiring BB'er abuse steroids, do not know properly how to run them, eat or train while using and have no concept of PCT. What happens? They blow-up (bloat), get fat (gain some muscle but nowhere near what they could if done properly), then stop taking them, get fatter, lose muscle, lose sex drive and become depressed. These people give many of us a bad rap.
 
yeah - i'd say its quite often people with out internet who don't use the rite either because they cant research what there taking as much as they'd maybe should and just do as there dealer says.
I bought dbol and started taking that on its own because it seemd good but then got on this board and learned more about it then stopped though because i have the dbol sometimes i wanna just take it but then i think again lol
 
While I generally agree that a 19 yr old shouldn't use steroids, it's not for the reasons posted above.

#1 - steroids do not directly stunt growth. Estrogen stunts growth. If you use a steroid that does not convert to estrogen, or use an AI, then this isn't really an issue.

#2 - Not reaching max potential. Where is it written that if you take steroids before you are "x" years old, it will lower your maximum potential for muscle growth? At that age, you are pretty much at the top of your natural test era. It's only going to go down hill from there. I don't have a study to back this up, but I believe that the chance of permanently lowering your natural test levels would not be any worse at that age as opposed to starting when you're 25. If you look at it logically, the older you are, the harder it is to recover.
As far as reaching your maximum potential naturally goes, I'm willing to bet that there are VERY FEW steroid users who have taken that road. If you did, then that's great. It speaks volumes for your personal dedication. However, I don't see anything wrong with using steroids as a boost to get to your maximum potential faster. It doesn't matter how you achieved the muscle, if your body is genetically predetermined to carry it, then it will. There are obviously other factors that come into play such as allowing your body time to adjust to the new weight, among others. That doesn't mean that your body can't handle it though. It just tries to get back to what it has known as normal for so long.

My main reason for not suggesting that younger guys don't use steroids is simply because of a lack of knowledge. They don't have enough knowledge about AAS, diet, workouts, nor in most situations do that have the drive and determination to do things correctly and safely. These are all things that don't happen over night. It takes YEARS of dedication to find out what works and doesn't work for you.
 
Apexx said:
While I generally agree that a 19 yr old shouldn't use steroids, it's not for the reasons posted above.

#1 - steroids do not directly stunt growth. Estrogen stunts growth. If you use a steroid that does not convert to estrogen, or use an AI, then this isn't really an issue.

#2 - Not reaching max potential. Where is it written that if you take steroids before you are "x" years old, it will lower your maximum potential for muscle growth? At that age, you are pretty much at the top of your natural test era. It's only going to go down hill from there. I don't have a study to back this up, but I believe that the chance of permanently lowering your natural test levels would not be any worse at that age as opposed to starting when you're 25. If you look at it logically, the older you are, the harder it is to recover.
As far as reaching your maximum potential naturally goes, I'm willing to bet that there are VERY FEW steroid users who have taken that road. If you did, then that's great. It speaks volumes for your personal dedication. However, I don't see anything wrong with using steroids as a boost to get to your maximum potential faster. It doesn't matter how you achieved the muscle, if your body is genetically predetermined to carry it, then it will. There are obviously other factors that come into play such as allowing your body time to adjust to the new weight, among others. That doesn't mean that your body can't handle it though. It just tries to get back to what it has known as normal for so long.

My main reason for not suggesting that younger guys don't use steroids is simply because of a lack of knowledge. They don't have enough knowledge about AAS, diet, workouts, nor in most situations do that have the drive and determination to do things correctly and safely. These are all things that don't happen over night. It takes YEARS of dedication to find out what works and doesn't work for you.
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Check out this link:
http://www.drugfreesport.com/choices/drugs/steroids.html

It says:
"Not every individual who takes anabolic steroids experiences serious side effects; however, reports of different effects include:
....
stunted growth in immature individuals
....."

and
http://teens.drugabuse.gov/facts/facts_ster2.asp

It says:
"
 
Re: do's/donts/

AhMadKooL said:
Check out this link:
http://www.drugfreesport.com/choices/drugs/steroids.html

It says:
"Not every individual who takes anabolic steroids experiences serious side effects; however, reports of different effects include:
....
stunted growth in immature individuals
....."

and
http://teens.drugabuse.gov/facts/facts_ster2.asp

It says:
"
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now: i agree that steroids stunt your growth because i know two people who needed steroids when they were babies and there a good ft + smaller than adverge- also a doc told my mate who had to take them for medical reasons that he will not meet his max pos hight by taking them- so that point i have to agree.
one part i disagree with is the age thing now in the uk - sites that sell superdrol say not to be used by persons under the age of 18 and in the u.s. it says 21 - now its the same stuff just diffrent goverments in the U.S. you cant drink till your 21 i belive and in the uk its 18- when i was in canada i couldn't but a pack of ciggeratts because i was only 17 and there you had to be 21 unlike in the uk were you have to be only 16 so thats why i'm asking for "what ifs" etc
 
What about permanent limp noodle? Is it possible that HPTA shutdown during puberty could hose the hormone system permanently?
 
Apexx said:
While I generally agree that a 19 yr old shouldn't use steroids, it's not for the reasons posted above.

#1 - steroids do not directly stunt growth. Estrogen stunts growth. If you use a steroid that does not convert to estrogen, or use an AI, then this isn't really an issue.

#2 - Not reaching max potential. Where is it written that if you take steroids before you are "x" years old, it will lower your maximum potential for muscle growth? At that age, you are pretty much at the top of your natural test era. It's only going to go down hill from there. I don't have a study to back this up, but I believe that the chance of permanently lowering your natural test levels would not be any worse at that age as opposed to starting when you're 25. If you look at it logically, the older you are, the harder it is to recover.
As far as reaching your maximum potential naturally goes, I'm willing to bet that there are VERY FEW steroid users who have taken that road. If you did, then that's great. It speaks volumes for your personal dedication. However, I don't see anything wrong with using steroids as a boost to get to your maximum potential faster. It doesn't matter how you achieved the muscle, if your body is genetically predetermined to carry it, then it will. There are obviously other factors that come into play such as allowing your body time to adjust to the new weight, among others. That doesn't mean that your body can't handle it though. It just tries to get back to what it has known as normal for so long.

My main reason for not suggesting that younger guys don't use steroids is simply because of a lack of knowledge. They don't have enough knowledge about AAS, diet, workouts, nor in most situations do that have the drive and determination to do things correctly and safely. These are all things that don't happen over night. It takes YEARS of dedication to find out what works and doesn't work for you.
Click to expand...

Check out this link:
http://www.drugfreesport.com/choices/drugs/steroids.html

It says:
"Not every individual who takes anabolic steroids experiences serious side effects; however, reports of different effects include:
....
stunted growth in immature individuals
....."

and
http://teens.drugabuse.gov/facts/facts_ster2.asp

It says:
"Teens at Risk for Stunted Growth
Teens who abuse steroids before the typical adolescent growth spurt risk staying short and never reaching their full adult height. Why? Because the body is programmed to stop growing after puberty. When hormone levels reach a certain point, the body thinks itÍs already gone through puberty. So, bones get the message to stop growing way too soon [1]
...
References

1. National Institute on Drug Abuse. NIDA Research Report—Steroid Abuse and Addiction
(http://www.drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports/Steroids/
AnabolicSteroids.html). NIH Pub. No. 00—3721. Bethesda, MD: NIDA, NIH, DHHS. Printed 1991. Reprinted 1994, 1996. Revised April, 2000.
"
 
Good that your still reading and learning, there is no right age to start using gear, you still got a lot of natural test that your body still producing, invest on training and eating right and you'll be on your way.......you have plenty of time to start using fear later on
 
Both links refer to "immature indivuals" or those who have not gone through puberty. While I think a 19 yr old is mentally immature they are not physically immature. The average male goes through puberty typically from the ages of 14 through 17. While some do still grow after 19, I don't think it's unreasonable to say that at that point, a "growth spurt" should not be expected.

Just for arguments sake, lets just say that this 19 can still grow taller. Increased estrogen causes the growth plates to fuse prematurely. If he uses a non aromatising steroid or an AI, this will keep the estrogen levels from increasing to a point that would cause this.

I'm not disputing that these are reputable web sites, but they are no doubt biased. Their information is designed to show the negatives of aas.

AhMadKooL said:
Check out this link:
http://www.drugfreesport.com/choices/drugs/steroids.html

It says:
"Not every individual who takes anabolic steroids experiences serious side effects; however, reports of different effects include:
....
stunted growth in immature individuals
....."

and
http://teens.drugabuse.gov/facts/facts_ster2.asp

It says:
"Teens at Risk for Stunted Growth
Teens who abuse steroids before the typical adolescent growth spurt risk staying short and never reaching their full adult height. Why? Because the body is programmed to stop growing after puberty. When hormone levels reach a certain point, the body thinks itÍs already gone through puberty. So, bones get the message to stop growing way too soon [1]
...
References

1. National Institute on Drug Abuse. NIDA Research Report—Steroid Abuse and Addiction
(http://www.drugabuse.gov/ResearchReports/Steroids/
AnabolicSteroids.html). NIH Pub. No. 00—3721. Bethesda, MD: NIDA, NIH, DHHS. Printed 1991. Reprinted 1994, 1996. Revised April, 2000.
"
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apexx so what would you advise for a short AS cycle to guys 19-early 20's


EDIT:when i say that i dont mean to say you advise us using them totally just what is more advisable
 
fiesta_bhoy said:
apexx so what would you advise for a short AS cycle to guys 19-early 20's
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Go back to my original post bro. Although I disagreed with their reasoning for why you shouldn't do steroids, I don't disagree with the fact that you aren't ready for them.

I know that's not what you want to hear, but if for nothing else then the fact that you don't enough about AAS to answer your own question, that's my answer.
 
Apexx said:
Both links refer to "immature indivuals" or those who have not gone through puberty. While I think a 19 yr old is mentally immature they are not physically immature. The average male goes through puberty typically from the ages of 14 through 17. While some do still grow after 19, I don't think it's unreasonable to say that at that point, a "growth spurt" should not be expected.

Just for arguments sake, lets just say that this 19 can still grow taller. Increased estrogen causes the growth plates to fuse prematurely. If he uses a non aromatising steroid or an AI, this will keep the estrogen levels from increasing to a point that would cause this.

I'm not disputing that these are reputable web sites, but they are no doubt biased. Their information is designed to show the negatives of aas.
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Bro the second link is based on a documented research study; although i agree it's baised.

As for immature individuals i think (as many would agree) your body keeps developing up to the early twenties.
 
fiesta_bhoy said:
apexx so what would you advise for a short AS cycle to guys 19-early 20's


EDIT:when i say that i dont mean to say you advise us using them totally just what is more advisable
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Look what you have done appex you made this teen wanna jump on the steriods; LOL :mix:
 
fiesta_bhoy said:
apexx so what would you advise for a short AS cycle to guys 19-early 20's


EDIT:when i say that i dont mean to say you advise us using them totally just what is more advisable
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He already answered that question.

He said estrogen (and I'll add progesterone to the list) is responsible for growth plate fusion, therefore once you enough know about AAS you will be able to design a cycle that won't have those effects yourself.

Stay away from tren and daca no matter what because they are progestins and will cause fusion just like estro will, and if you do use aromatizing compounds, like trest and dbol, use an AI (prevents aromatase).
 
AhMadKooL said:
Look what you have done appex you made this teen wanna jump on the steriods; LOL :mix:
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lol i dont want to jump on steroids i wanna learn. i never done enough of it in school so now i wanna learn about stuff that intrests me and hopefully can help other newbies
 
fiesta_bhoy said:
lol i dont want to jump on steroids i wanna learn. i never done enough of it in school so now i wanna learn about stuff that intrests me and hopefully can help other newbies
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Perfect attitude! :coffee:
 
Yeah, he should wait until his 4+ yrs of college binge drinking is over with. If he has any liver left after that he'll be good to go.
 
i am what i am said:
Aghhh. You can't get anything objective from this sites.
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I agree that these sites are biased; They generally label all steriods as bad which i don't agree with; But I was trying to make a point to appex that starting them when your in your teens is not good for you
 
i would wait a little longer till ur maybe in ur mid twenties. i started when i was too young and really regret it.
 
AhMadKooL said:
Look what you have done appex you made this teen wanna jump on the steriods; LOL :mix:
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LOL. The amazing thing is that he asked me what cycle I would suggest a 19 year old do right after I give my reasons for why a 19 yr old shouldn't do a cycle.

Looks like you and I are just going to keep going around and around on this subject, so I'll just agree do disagree. :)
 
Apexx said:
LOL. The amazing thing is that he asked me what cycle I would suggest a 19 year old do right after I give my reasons for why a 19 yr old shouldn't do a cycle.

Looks like you and I are just going to keep going around and around on this subject, so I'll just agree do disagree. :)
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Cool beans bro :coffee:
 
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