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Dont run nolva with...

letsrun4it said:
During cycle I know you shouldnt run nolva with tren...anything else? I'm guessing deca.
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any progestins (deca & tren)
 
krishna said:
And why is this again? I forgot.
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It's not a steadfast rule, but it seems to be catching on pretty quick... Macro has pointed it out... Nolvadex can upregulate PR expression and contribute to progesterone-related gyno (I guess particularly for those who are gyno-prone)
 
letsrun4it said:
i guess ill stick to my letro + aifm without adding nolva since im running drol
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I wouldn'r worry about running two AI's, I'd use the the letro and taper off while adding the aifm once you're done to avoid an estrogen rebound
 
Hmmm,


I have ran nolvadex with tren, Deca, anadrol, and about any other gear there is,

now you tell me,


What is this world coming too.
 
solidspine said:
Hmmm,


I have ran nolvadex with tren, Deca, anadrol, and about any other gear there is,

now you tell me,


What is this world coming too.
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then you'e lucky, some people have issues and some don't, it's best not to take the chance for a new guy
 
solidspine said:
Hmmm,


I have ran nolvadex with tren, Deca, anadrol, and about any other gear there is,

now you tell me,


What is this world coming too.
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well, we're learning more and more every day... usually by personal experience... it could very well be that you're not prone to gyno and you don't have to worry about using nolva with a progestin... so the lesson here is that if you KNOW you're susceptible to gyno, don't mix the two... if you don't know, you can take the risk or play it safe... the option is there
 
letsrun4it said:
i guess ill stick to my letro + aifm without adding nolva since im running drol
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yah, that seems like AI overkill... you should be just fine with letro and then maybe taper off later with AIFM has johnnyw put it
 
bilter said:
give me a couple of weeks..................I'm gonna run a lil' experiment ;-)
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I love experiments! (especially when someone else is the guinnea pig :) )

what are you planning?
 
letro's a little too rough to using during cycle, imo.. a little estrogen is necessary and unless attempting to kill of existing gyno, aifm is good to use during as a preventative.
 
What to use with deca? My brother is starting a cycle with it, and I just sent him my tamoxafil. I've used it with a deca/ dbol/ sust cycle and didn't get much more than mildly puffy nips that went away. Should he use arimidex?
 
Like njmuscleguy said, the no nolva with deca/tren is not a steadfast rule. If you tend to be sensitive to progesterone, it'd probably be best to stay away from the mix. I was taking nolva when I started my first tren cycle, and halted the cycle very quickly when gyno symptome started to hit very fast.

I may be biased, but I'm afraid of anything progesterone related, and fear nolva may exacerbate such problems.
 
Silent Method said:
Like njmuscleguy said, the no nolva with deca/tren is not a steadfast rule. If you tend to be sensitive to progesterone, it'd probably be best to stay away from the mix. I was taking nolva when I started my first tren cycle, and halted the cycle very quickly when gyno symptome started to hit very fast.

I may be biased, but I'm afraid of anything progesterone related, and fear nolva may exacerbate such problems.
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what about taking nolva for pct after using deca or tren.. same deal??
 
niv said:
what about taking nolva for pct after using deca or tren.. same deal??
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The issue is that nolva has been demonstrated to upregulate progesterone receptors (PgR).

Letrozole on the other hand has been shown to reduce expression of PgR.
 
Hmmm, I've never had to use any of them during cycle w/the exception of contest prep & trying to keep the water off, in which case I used a little Nolva & dendelion root. Maybe I'm just lucky :) I have always had it on hand though, just in case! It seems that a trend of always using some kinda of AI has begun. When I first learned about it, most only used it when they needed it or were prone to problems.
 
well i call bullshit and i know makavelli will too. the only thing that gets rid of progesterone gyno is nolva and winstrol. so how does it make it worse. macro can explain it like a chemist 50 million times i dont care. i love mac don't get me wrong. and x can say a dost helped his. well dost does not and your doc will tell you that. i have tried all of the above except letro cause it was too new then. win and nolva cleared my deca gyno up when nothing else would. dost didn't do shit for that or my sex drive.
 
that may be true, but the gyno you were experiencing may not have been prolactin gyno, therefore nolva was fine to use.
 
BROMO is needed for progest gyno. nolva won't do shit for pregest gyno. never run deca and tren together and keep bromo around when running either. thats my .02
 
solidspine said:
Hmmm,


I have ran nolvadex with tren, Deca, anadrol, and about any other gear there is,

now you tell me,


What is this world coming too.
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Same here this is definetly first time i've heard of this i took nolva on a test deca cycle twice before.
 
trying2grow101 said:
Same here this is definetly first time i've heard of this i took nolva on a test deca cycle twice before.
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well it's not going to happen everytime.. but with nolva upregulating your progestin receptors, it seems, scientifically, that it would aggrivate the guy to a further degree.. you'd rather have the recceptors shut down, not become even more active/sensitive.
 
mikefear said:
well it's not going to happen everytime.. but with nolva upregulating your progestin receptors, it seems, scientifically, that it would aggrivate the guy to a further degree.. you'd rather have the recceptors shut down, not become even more active/sensitive.
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Where is the scientific evidence?

Im with Bruce410 on this one
 
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